Re: [qubes-users] sys-net dispVM forgetting wifi passwords

2021-12-03 Thread David Hobach

On 12/2/21 8:35 AM, 'Rune Philosof' via qubes-users wrote:

I have installed 4.1rc2 and chose a disposable sys-net, because I could
think of a reason not to.
But now that I have to type in the wifi password again and again, I know a
reason to not choose dispVM for sys-net.


Use a dedicated template for sys-net, e.g. sys-net-dvm and put the wifi 
password there.

File to modify is /rw/config/NM-system-connections/[wifi].nmconnection. 
Actually you can logon once and copy that file over to your template.

Those with salt do it fully automated.

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Re: [qubes-users] Re: sys-net dispVM forgetting wifi passwords

2021-12-03 Thread TheGardner
I'm fine with. I also can plugin a cable, having a wired connection, to 
save me from inserting wifi passwords. And as long as I'll using the wifi 
connection, I don't have any trouble in setting up the wifi password again 
and again.
But seems, others can't understand, why they always have to do this by 
running sys-net on a dispVM.

taran1s schrieb am Freitag, 3. Dezember 2021 um 08:40:09 UTC-5:

>
>
> TheGardner:
> > Mentioned already here and there. Thats one of the cons using a dispVM 
> for
> > the sys-qubes.
> > Next one is - you can't "restart"...
> > 
> > r...@abtion.com schrieb am Donnerstag, 2. Dezember 2021 um 04:00:32 
> UTC-5:
> > 
> >> I have installed 4.1rc2 and chose a disposable sys-net, because I could
> >> think of a reason not to.
> >> But now that I have to type in the wifi password again and again, I 
> know a
> >> reason to not choose dispVM for sys-net.
> >>
> >> Maybe it should be mentioned in the installation process what 
> consequences
> >> it will have to choose disposable for sys-net?
> >> 
> >>
> > 
>
> It should be just easy to use your offline debian-11 vault to save the 
> wifi passwords and insert it once you connect to a particular wifi.
>
> There is of course an advantage for your anti tracking setup (together 
> with other ones). So in this case if your sys-net gets compromised 
> (unlikely but still possible), an adversary could see all your stored 
> wifi connections which can give him unneeded advantage. This doesnt 
> happen with disp sys-net.
>
> The question is: What makes you more happy? Connect to the wifi 
> handsfree and possibly give out your wifi history intelligence to an 
> unknown parties, or you are more happy to insert the password from the 
> offline vault manually and be more safe?
>

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Re: [qubes-users] Re: sys-net dispVM forgetting wifi passwords

2021-12-03 Thread 'taran1s' via qubes-users




TheGardner:

Mentioned already here and there. Thats one of the cons using a dispVM for
the sys-qubes.
Next one is - you can't "restart"...

r...@abtion.com schrieb am Donnerstag, 2. Dezember 2021 um 04:00:32 UTC-5:


I have installed 4.1rc2 and chose a disposable sys-net, because I could
think of a reason not to.
But now that I have to type in the wifi password again and again, I know a
reason to not choose dispVM for sys-net.

Maybe it should be mentioned in the installation process what consequences
it will have to choose disposable for sys-net?
   





It should be just easy to use your offline debian-11 vault to save the 
wifi passwords and insert it once you connect to a particular wifi.


There is of course an advantage for your anti tracking setup (together 
with other ones). So in this case if your sys-net gets compromised 
(unlikely but still possible), an adversary could see all your stored 
wifi connections which can give him unneeded advantage. This doesnt 
happen with disp sys-net.


The question is: What makes you more happy? Connect to the wifi 
handsfree and possibly give out your wifi history intelligence to an 
unknown parties, or you are more happy to insert the password from the 
offline vault manually and be more safe?


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