from:"cooloutac"

Als with so many vms in Qubes its just not practical.
Maybe something in this thread will help you. I gave up myself. 
 
https://groups.google.com/forum/#!msg/qubes-users/RsptaCZLDnc/NqZegFafKQAJ;context-place=topic/qubes-users/MUIxSRy-jbc

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Re: [qubes-users] Logging Drop Packets

Als with so many vms in Qubes its just not practical.

Maybe something in this thread will help you. 
https://groups.google.com/forum/#!msg/qubes-users/RsptaCZLDnc/NqZegFafKQAJ;context-place=topic/qubes-users/MUIxSRy-jbc

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Re: [qubes-users] Logging Drop Packets

I use to log everything in linux with iptables. outoing and incoming.  Alot of 
linux users to say that practice uses too much hdd or space, which was simply 
not true when limiting rates.   Then I would use programs to parse it and 
eyeball it myself.  


But in Qubes its just not possible.  Those scripts will only log some things 
not everything,  and even then its too complicated.  Was one of the biggest 
gripes I had when first using Qubes.  I want to know what every connection is 
doing at all times.

ITL believes that you would never really find an attacker by doing these 
things,  but I've begged to differ. But I do agree you definitely won't be 
stopping one.

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Re: [qubes-users] Logging Drop Packets

I use to log everything in linux before using Qubes.  In Qubes its just not 
possible.  Those scripts will only log some things not everything.

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Re: [qubes-users] qubes-update-gui always has "updates available for 1 qubes"

2019-03-07 Thread cooloutac

On Thursday, March 7, 2019 at 9:19:46 AM UTC-5, Adam Robinson wrote:
> Is there any way to see what qubes the qubes-update-gui tool thinks there are 
> updates for.  Ever since installing Qubes 4.0  the gui has been telling me 
> there is "updates available for 1 qubes"  even when the gui shows there is 
> not^1.    Even manually selecting all listed quebes and running an update on 
> them all does not get rid of this notice.
> 
> 
> 
> Is there somewhere on the command line I can look to see what 
> qubes-update-gui tool things needs updating and more importantly, clear it :-)
> 
> 
> I've seen the same behavior, I believe it is this bug - 
> https://github.com/QubesOS/qubes-issues/issues/4667
> 
> 
> From looking at https://github.com/QubesOS/updates-status/issues/879 it 
> appears that an update for this was posted to the stable repository a few 
> hours ago.  I haven't had a chance to try it myself though.
> 
> 
> -Adam

I would just use the Qubes-manager.  really not sure why they wanted to change 
things.  Seems like extra work for nothing.

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Re: [qubes-users] qubes-update-gui always has "updates available for 1 qubes"

2019-03-07 Thread cooloutac

On Thursday, March 7, 2019 at 9:19:46 AM UTC-5, Adam Robinson wrote:
> Is there any way to see what qubes the qubes-update-gui tool thinks there are 
> updates for.  Ever since installing Qubes 4.0  the gui has been telling me 
> there is "updates available for 1 qubes"  even when the gui shows there is 
> not^1.    Even manually selecting all listed quebes and running an update on 
> them all does not get rid of this notice.
> 
> 
> 
> Is there somewhere on the command line I can look to see what 
> qubes-update-gui tool things needs updating and more importantly, clear it :-)
> 
> 
> I've seen the same behavior, I believe it is this bug - 
> https://github.com/QubesOS/qubes-issues/issues/4667
> 
> 
> From looking at https://github.com/QubesOS/updates-status/issues/879 it 
> appears that an update for this was posted to the stable repository a few 
> hours ago.  I haven't had a chance to try it myself though.
> 
> 
> -Adam

I would just use the qubes-manager.  Really not sure why they wanted to change 
things.

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Re: [qubes-users] Re: qubes-update-gui always has "updates available for 1 qubes"

also it was a cloned repo that I had manually upgraded.  wouldn't know there 
was no error.  it would show it updating.  unless I did the -v to see the 
problems.

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Re: [qubes-users] Re: qubes-update-gui always has "updates available for 1 qubes"

I don't think so in my case. 

regarding google chrome repo it was because I was forcing https over tor at the 
time.  and when it got updated it would keep reverting it back to http and then 
failing.   I would have to keep changing it back to https for it to update and 
get rid of arrow.

In case of the metadata error.  It was cause I had upgraded the template 
manually to new version and it must of cause some problems.  

For default repos this shouldn't happen anymore like in old Qubes versions. 

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Re: [qubes-users] Re: How risky is GPU pass-through?

On Monday, February 25, 2019 at 4:02:38 PM UTC-5, John Mitchell wrote:
> If I may ask what OS do you use for the host?

Guest the latest QSA answers this question somehwat lol.

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Re: [qubes-users] Re: Qubes 4.0 Cannot change desktop background

ya most likely can be considered a security feature.  Joanna has mentioned 
herself in the past wallpaper images can compromise a system.  Maybe not 
purposely disabled but not worth to support either lol.  Defeats purpose of 
using Qubes with a dom0.

The only thing you really should be doing in dom0 is using qubes-dom0-update  
to upgrade and install available qubes packages if needed.

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[qubes-users] Re: qubes-update-gui always has "updates available for 1 qubes"

when you update do -vv to show full information on update progress and see if 
there is any errors.   

This sometimes happens to me if google chrome repo doesn't update for example.

Last time I did this it showed metadata erros.  so a  sudo dnf clean metadata  
fixed issue.

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[qubes-users] Re: Deleting debian-9 template and getting a new one returns an error: "Error: Unable to find a match"

On Wednesday, March 6, 2019 at 12:08:15 AM UTC-5, Sphere wrote:
> I also did what Chris suggested as well as the dnf clean all and the result 
> is all the same.
> No problem with my dns for sure because I'm using dnscrypt on a pool of 19 
> dns servers and I've never had problems resolving everything so far

I know for sure I had same problem before. Can't remember what fixed it. 
Thought it was the repo.

Are you using latest Qubes version?  To get to 4.0 from 3.2 you have to do a 
clean install from boot disk.

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Re: [qubes-users] Could Qubes Installation Configuration Be More User Friendly?

2019-03-05 Thread cooloutac

I agree with Chris its more a compatibility issue then an installation issue.

You really have to research the machine on linux before using it in Qubes.  And 
have to make sure the bios has the nescessary options before purchase,  which 
is one of the things Qubes docs suggest doing.

And disable security features to make a system compatible might defeat the 
purpose of using Qubes. 

What model laptop do you have that you can't disable the nvidia gpu?  You sure 
it has an onboard one to use in its place?

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Re: [qubes-users] why mail-list?

2019-03-05 Thread cooloutac

I love that they use google.  Keeps miscreants out.   I call this a forum,  use 
it like a forum,  and it has the word forum in the google link.

The only mail I get in my email,  are those threads I have started or 
subscribed to.I think I check my google mail quarterly lol.

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[qubes-users] Re: Deleting debian-9 template and getting a new one returns an error: "Error: Unable to find a match"

2019-03-05 Thread cooloutac

I think this has happened to me before.  Think I just had to wait and download 
at another time, i'm not sure.  Have you tried enabling testing repo like Chris 
suggested?  Or disabling it?  Think the the only testing repo i enable is the 
security one.

Maybe change dns?

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Re: [qubes-users] Best practices?

I also don't do anything in dom0.  absolutely nothing. 

 and If I have to restore my system.  The only thing I'm restoring is the 
appvms.I will manually reinstall Qubes and re clone two or three extra 
templates I need,  and manually reinstall the software I need in them.

I have not used paranoid mode to restore appvms yet.  But when the time comes I 
will be looking into it.


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Re: [qubes-users] Best practices?


.   I only make clone template when I'm going to install extra software.  In 
case it borks something or is shady.  For example I have cloned template 
for disposable vm,  where I install printer drivers.   One for personal  vm's 
that I installed libre office.  One for sys-usb and sys-net. 

Most my trusted vms use standard templates.  I use both debian and fedora.  one 
for less trusted trusted,  one for more trusted trusted.

Having alot of templates is a real resource hog and a pain to update. I feel 
its more important to compartmentalize with appvms rather then get caught up in 
having multiple templates.   Unless you are going to be installing alot of 
software or testing with them.

When I backup.  I don't backup templates.

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Re: [qubes-users] Best practices?

found it 
https://theinvisiblethings.blogspot.com/2011/03/partitioning-my-digital-life-into.html

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Re: [qubes-users] Best practices?

I found it.  
http://theinvisiblethings.blogspot.com/2011/03/partitioning-my-digital-life-into.html

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Re: [qubes-users] Best practices?

On Sunday, February 24, 2019 at 3:18:07 PM UTC-5, Andrew David Wong wrote:
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> On 24/02/2019 1.53 PM, dexinthec...@gmail.com wrote:
> > Just recently installed Qubes being new to Linux altogether I
> > haven’t quiet developed my own best practices and the documentation
> > online has a pretty steep learning curve. Anyway I was wondering
> > what do you guys usually perform after a clean install. What do you
> > do on a weekly basis, monthly, annually etc? How do you optimize
> > Qube OS or is it already pretty optimized?
> > 
> 
> Take a look at this page, if you haven't already:
> 
> https://www.qubes-os.org/doc/security-guidelines/
> 
> - -- 
> Andrew David Wong (Axon)
> Community Manager, Qubes OS
> https://www.qubes-os.org
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Andrew do you have the link to the blog post JOanna made showing how she 
compartmentalize her daily life in Qubes.  I was looking other day couldn't 
find it.

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Re: [qubes-users] Re: Valid Concerns Regarding Integrity of Whonix Project

The internet was amazing in the 90s and early 2000s.  Then chatroom and forum 
trolls and russian spammers infested everything.  And it all crashed and died.

IMO the internet is now called facebook, instagram, twitter and youtube.   
because its the corner Americans have been backed into.   But now that is also 
under attack, and the negatives are starting to outweight the positives, so it 
will be interesting what the future holds.

Just like Tsutomu Shimomura,  I believe the same morals and principles we apply 
in the physical realm need to be applied to the digital realm before anything 
changes for the better.  People feel way too entitled and untouchable.

But before that happens its probably only going to get worse.

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Re: [qubes-users] Re: Valid Concerns Regarding Integrity of Whonix Project

On Monday, March 4, 2019 at 10:04:38 AM UTC-5, qube...@tutanota.com wrote:
> Feb 23, 2019, 12:23 AM by raahe...@gmail.com:
> 
> > and it would still require alot more discipline and restraint not to post 
> > exposing information about yourself online,  that would defeat the purpose 
> > of using something like facebook or twitter imno.Again not something I 
> > could see practical for daily life.   Are there propagandists  and 
> > government agents on these sites.  Of course,  but even they have a 
> > separate personal digital life somewhere.The world is getting faker by 
> > the minute,  we don't need more fakes.
> >
> 
> This: "The world is getting faker by the minute,  we don't need more fakes."
> 
> I cant agree more cooloutac. Lets than not engage in the services which are 
> faking everything with their censorship, manipulations, social engineering, 
> surveillance, human rights violations for their profit and other uncountable 
> malicious reasons, which are today very well documented. Lets use .onion 
> sites for expressing your opinions instead. Where you can just finally come, 
> and say what you fucking really think about the matter openly in your real 
> words, without any fake poses forced on you. And get a real, uncensored 
> feedback too. Does this makes sense?
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If you notice I'm not afraid to express myself without Tor. Anonymity in this 
way is cowardly and usually a bad thing.  Leads to people acting and behaving 
and ways they normally wouldn't because they know they are not respectful.   
some examples are why e-sports is not a billion dollar industry like athletic 
sports.   Its why social media has had overly negative impacts in recent years.

If people aren't accountable for their actions we wouldn't be living in a very 
nice world.

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Re: [qubes-users] Re: Valid Concerns Regarding Integrity of Whonix Project

On Monday, March 4, 2019 at 10:04:38 AM UTC-5, qube...@tutanota.com wrote:
> Feb 23, 2019, 12:23 AM by raahe...@gmail.com:
> 
> > and it would still require alot more discipline and restraint not to post 
> > exposing information about yourself online,  that would defeat the purpose 
> > of using something like facebook or twitter imno.Again not something I 
> > could see practical for daily life.   Are there propagandists  and 
> > government agents on these sites.  Of course,  but even they have a 
> > separate personal digital life somewhere.The world is getting faker by 
> > the minute,  we don't need more fakes.
> >
> 
> This: "The world is getting faker by the minute,  we don't need more fakes."
> 
> I cant agree more cooloutac. Lets than not engage in the services which are 
> faking everything with their censorship, manipulations, social engineering, 
> surveillance, human rights violations for their profit and other uncountable 
> malicious reasons, which are today very well documented. Lets use .onion 
> sites for expressing your opinions instead. Where you can just finally come, 
> and say what you fucking really think about the matter openly in your real 
> words, without any fake poses forced on you. And get a real, uncensored 
> feedback too. Does this makes sense?
> 
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Issues like having to manually update all the time to new versions by 
reinstalling is a real pain.   Not very user friendly. Fact I was getting 
clock errors, etc.   But most of the issues have to do with tor.  Dns not 
matching,  updates taking long time or timing out,  invalid signatures.   Its 
because tor users are targeted.

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Re: Re[2]: [qubes-users] Responding to the Whonix trolls...

2019-03-03 Thread cooloutac

It's not very different than fascism, in particular the Gestapo, who would use 
those in the community to censor people through fear of being marginalized.

I'll stop discussing this if you will.

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Re: Re[2]: [qubes-users] Responding to the Whonix trolls...

2019-03-02 Thread cooloutac

On Saturday, March 2, 2019 at 6:03:55 AM UTC-5, Achim Patzner wrote:
> On 02.03.2019 03:21:14, "unman"  wrote:
> >I don't want a list that is banning people or excluding them. It's
> >regrettable that Whonix does so. In my experience, that rarely works
> >given the ready availability of new email addresses.
> 
> That's why I like mailing lists which require a sponsor to add you and 
> which will hold said sponsor responsible for the behaviour of his 
> invitees. If you bring in too many duds. you're getting thrown out, too.
> 
> >If you don't like a user, just add them to your kill file.
> 
> As long as there are no really useful tools that eliminate everything 
> that contains quotes of the user you don't really need in your life this 
> is not as helpful as eliminating that user completely. Unless said kill 
> file is the input queue of a skilled assassin...
> 
> 
> >Build the community that *you* want, by promoting the issues/discussions
> >that are of value. Let the others wither away.
> 
> Some trolls don't wither on their own. Those have to be cut back.
> 
> 
> Achim

Stop being a nazi.

I already gave you the link for qubes-devel.  

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Re: [qubes-users] Responding to the Whonix trolls...

On Friday, March 1, 2019 at 10:02:03 PM UTC-5, haaber wrote:
> >
> > I don't want a list that is banning people or excluding them. It's
> > regrettable that Whonix does so. In my experience, that rarely works
> > given the ready availability of new email addresses.
> > If you don't like a user, just add them to your kill file.
> > Build the community that *you* want, by promoting the issues/discussions
> > that are of value. Let the others wither away.
> > Credit readers with the sense to decide who is worth listening to.
> >
> > unman
> >
> I'd second unman. Several times I have had some precious help by
> raahelps. The strength of a group comea from the fact that even if
> sometimes, someone gets mad, there is someone else who is willing to
> listen. Building closed subcommunities actually weakens the whole project.
> 
> Be kind to people who are angry, they need it most : If you can't stand
> it (I can understand that), better filter mails that contain swear
> words: that is more efficient than banning emails and allows anyone to
> come back to the group after he/she went mad for whatsoever reason.
> Bernhard

Ty Bernhard.  I just don't like when people are rude to those asking for help.  
 And yes you are correct I always have issues going on...

And to others I know I'm not a technical guy.  Thats why I would never post on 
Qubes-devel.  I'm just the average user.

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Re: [qubes-users] good bye, qubes-users list

hmm seems its hard to find.  so I don't blame you for not knowing about it. 

here you go  https://groups.google.com/forum/#!forum/qubes-devel

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Re: [qubes-users] good bye, qubes-users list

On Friday, March 1, 2019 at 4:00:13 PM UTC-5, Achim Patzner wrote:
> On 28.02.2019 20:00:46, "Holger Levsen"  wrote:
> >Obviously I do think that some mailinglist moderation is in order...
> >I'd probably be willing to come back, if some changes have been implemented,
> >but like it is, it's sadly a waste of time and mental energy.
> 
> Seconded. What about a seriously moderated and access restricted 
> "qubes-technical" list?
> 
> 
> Achim


The "technical" forum is called qubes-devel.   Don't worry. I promised Marek 
once I'd never post in there.  enjoy.

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Re: Re[2]: [qubes-users] Responding to the Whonix trolls...

Or is this a slick way to try and get me to use tor.  Because we know evading 
bans is one of the things its most known for lol...  Oh wait.  Google probably 
already bans tor,  which is why this place has been so troll free for the years 
I've been posting here.

Maybe you should start a German forum on some other platform and then you can 
all go there.  Rather then make even more people complicit in patricks drama.

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Re: Re[2]: [qubes-users] Responding to the Whonix trolls...

I saw another user complain about patricks behavior.  I commented to say I've 
experience the same thing so that user did not feel alone.

Then I responded to the notice in my email that Patrick posted on whonix 
forums.  Then he hurls a profanity at me.  Which has now been deleted and he 
denies.  And now I'm banned so I can't respond.   

I was the one first called a troll.  I was the one being badmouthed. I'm not 
gonna let him ban me and hide like a coward. 

His character is definitely related to the integrity of Qubes.  If he has none, 
 how can we expect his project to have some?

I've stated my opinions and experiences with the whonix qube and tor.  And If 
you don't like them state your case.  Rather then try to censor me like a 
nazi...

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Re: [qubes-users] Re: [In]Valid Concerns Regarding Integrity of Whonix Project

I mean I do know alot of debian users  who never log into anything online. They 
don't shop online,  bank online,facebook, twitter,   would never dare step 
foot on a google mailing list.  They don't do anything on their pc basically.  
I would of committed suicide a long time ago living like that.   

I can't be anonymous online I guess is my point for most of my daily activites, 
 and nobody is hunting my physical location.  And even if they were they could 
find me easily.
  
I care more about performance for sure.  And the security of my hardware and 
data from remote attacks.   

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Re: [qubes-users] Re: [In]Valid Concerns Regarding Integrity of Whonix Project

On Thursday, February 28, 2019 at 5:49:20 PM UTC-5, awokd wrote:
> cooloutac wrote on 2/28/19 5:45 PM:
> > [Tor] needs expanding,
> > 
> Sounds good to me! But there is plenty of spare bandwidth already: 
> https://metrics.torproject.org/bandwidth-flags.html.
> 
> I believe there are occasional hostile exit nodes, but if you have to 
> trust the infrastructure/Internet in general, you are doing it wrong. 
> Like a lot of things in security, you have to figure out the trade-offs 
> and develop a solution that works for you. If performance is more 
> important in your application than anonymity, then Tor is probably not 
> the right choice for you. However, others have different priorities.

Why is it so painfully slow then.  It doesn't seem practical to use at all for 
daily activities.  Even using it to update fedora was horrible.   Not to 
mention whonix constantly timing out.  I can't be alone in thinking this.

If you are actually waiting 5 mins to log into facebook,  you better be fearing 
for your life.  Not trying to stop google from tracking you lmao...

10 mins can also cost a life.

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Re: [qubes-users] Whonix Yes or No



Keep your eye on this guy Andrew.

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Re: [qubes-users] Re: [In]Valid Concerns Regarding Integrity of Whonix Project

I can definitely see journalists in these times in America needing to use it.   
activists,  etc...

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Re: [qubes-users] Re: [In]Valid Concerns Regarding Integrity of Whonix Project

It needs expanding,  I'd say theres too many people using it that don't need to.

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Re: [qubes-users] Re: [In]Valid Concerns Regarding Integrity of Whonix Project

On Thursday, February 28, 2019 at 1:43:28 AM UTC-5, haaber wrote:
> >> cooloutac:
> >>
> >>> The reason why I say privacy and anonymity are two diff things.  And way 
> >>> apart from security. is For example if I log into a facebook .onion site. 
> >>>  Its still my identity.  All that information about you is still being 
> >>> sold to ad agencies.  Governments are still watching it.   The only 
> >>> benefit I can see, is again,   people hiding their location for fear of 
> >>> their life or imprisonment.
> >>
> >> You listed one of the more common Tor benefits in your own paragraph-
> >> many people also use it for every day browsing to avoid most of that
> >> commercial information gathering and resale.
> >
> > Meanwhile you are taking up bandwidth from people who are fearing for their 
> > life or imprisonment.  Maybe you're getting someone killed to stick it to 
> > the ad agencies.   Seems selfish and silly to me, and not a reason to be 
> > using tor.
> >
> 
> I cannot follow your argument. On the contrary: one cannot well hide
> inside a system that contains *only* people who need to hide, right?
> Correlations of users and packets are too high and one is immediately
> uncovered. This means that a good amount of traffic is literally
> *needed* so that some people who rely on it have a chance to disappear
> in the haystack ! Using the tor network for standard browsing is
> therefore good, and encouraged. It is also encouraged to support the tor
> infrastructure (by a donation, for example) :))

well thats a good point.  and you do need people around the world to use it I 
guess even in countries of people that do not fear imprisonment.

The thing is so slow though that i'm sure people die every day relying on it.

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Re: [qubes-users] Responding to the Whonix trolls...

I'm banned again on whonix. And now Patrick says on there he never told me to
fuck off. And look now he corrected my grammar. More proof he grew up
confused and was raised by irc 4chan trolls. Which is ironic, because most of
them are opposite of his main agenda. In essence he is a tool against himself.

But its confirmed the guy is a fraud.

Qubes could of been great. But there is too many fakes on the project for it
to become more popular. Its sort of like how linux users prefer noone uses
linux, so they can feel special for using it. Its probably why qubes-whonix
left Patrick.

IMO using whonix is a security risk. I always felt that way cause of how
buggy it was. But now you couldn't pay me to use it due to who maintains it.

And people like unman are just as bad. He is here to undo man lol.

IF we look back. All our systems got borked and Qubes started becoming less
user friendly, After Unman started posting and being rude to people. Before
Joanna's blog and paranoid mode came out.

Awoked is a good guy though. But unman is actually a dev. its sad.

What alot of security professionals don't understand is 90% of compromises are
from social engineering or inside jobs.

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Re: [qubes-users] Responding to the Whonix trolls...


unman is one of the reasons I don't trust Qubes as much.  FYI...  for the same 
reasons as Patrick.

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[qubes-users] Re: Responding to the Whonix trolls...

lol I knew it.  My post magically appeared on this forums now...  The guy is 
predictable.  That's no way to be anonymous...

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[qubes-users] Responding to the Whonix trolls...

After posting on Qubes-Users about my experience with whonix and Patrick. TO 
voice my #metoo.I got a notice in my email inbox he responded to my old 
thread.  https://forums.whonix.org/t/forward-and-reverse-dns-dont-match-up/2147 
  I replied I don't trust whonix because of him.and he told me to "FUCK OFF"

After that I saw another notice in my email from some other troll,  and Patrick 
dedicated a whole thread to it.  While cowardly banning me so I couldn't 
respond.   Lets see if he posts it... 
https://forums.whonix.org/t/concern-trolling/6883

So here is my response to TorGroupie here:


First Patrick trolled me to get me to post on his forums again.  And now you 
are crawling out from under the bridge knowing I will respond.  Can't get 
enough of me here? 

Yes I use windows 10 for gaming and entertainment.  But I use Qubes for other 
things.  My mother uses Qubes as her mainstay does that count?  She is not even 
that computer literate which probably pisses off an inferiority complex nerd 
like yourself.Anybody can use it.  That's the beauty of it.  Even though 
some were trying to make Qubes 4 harder to use, the community responded to make 
it user friendly again.

I respond to people asking for opinions or help on the Qubes forums.  I keep 
things simple and don't respond to anything I haven't experienced myself.  and  
I dislike rude people who can dish it but can't take it. I find that suspect.   
Patrick was afraid to troll me on the google mailing list too.  no problem.   
Thats why i love that Qubes chose google.  Keeps the trolls out!!




1.  Security and anonymity are two diff things.   Qubes was geared for home 
desktop users.  Which a common daily task would be logging into personal 
accounts and keeping data.Hiding my location is something I have no need 
for.  It has some minor benfits like avoiding someone targeting qubes users 
with bad updates form upstream source,   but I always find whonix problematic 
when it comes to updating. This should be common sense and simple to 
understand.  Unless of course you are trolling



2.  The explanation for why Whonix doesn't have a canary is a poor one to me.  
And like I said,  to claim laws are not same in certain countries but while at 
same time claiming US laws affect everywhere is contradictory.  And I find 
having no canary suspect. If you don't like that ,  that's your problem.  I 
explained other reasons why as well and you seem to have no retort to it.  
Except to troll my character which is typical troll behavior.



3.  Security in general is hard.  And anonymity is even harder especially if 
you want a life.   For home desktop a more practical solution would be a good 
vpn.  But you would have better anonymity using tails on disposable disk.  



4.  An example of how tor is so dangerous to use is how many MITM attempts will 
be made against you when simply updating whonix, simply because you are using 
tor. Something I've learned when using it when Andrew Wong pointed it out to 
me.   Patrick himself on the Qubes forums states he can't account for security 
of tor node servers. Which lets face it are probably run by alot of shady 
people. Or how bout how you would be putting yourself on the governments 
radar and suspicion just for using it.   I'm not even talking about the dark 
web...  Which is a criminal barbarian haven you'd most likely become a victim 
of by visiting.



5.  You are repeating yourself here.  Yes its extremely hard.  Everyone in the 
field knows that.   You should probably just change your name to TorGroupie.  
Since you don't really seem to have any experience with anything except 
trolling.  You wouldn't know if you were compromised if something crawled up 
your ass.  I accept the fact I'm compromised.   Joanna herself claims noone can 
tell if they are.



6.  And Patrick isn't emotional?  He just told me to "FUCK OFF"   lol.Hes 
the typical linux snob.   The type of elitist troll you find in a linux irc 
chatroom.  The type to take the time to belittle me  while at the same time 
hypocritically claiming he has no time to answer my question.   He must of grew 
up and been raised by irc chatrooms.   You can tell the difference with 
invisible things labs, and its one of the things  I like about them.

And no wonder qubes-whonix left the project.  I would of left too.  Patrick 
seems to have other priorities then security and performance of Whonix.   I bet 
with a little research on him I could figure out his other agendas easily.   
Come try me we can go there.



And hey TorGroupie,  why don't you go "FUCK OFF" too.   Try this one on for 
size.  Tor is so painfully slow that If you are not fearing for your life or 
fearing imprisonment.  You're a selfish prick who  might be getting someone 
else killed using its bandwidth...

Keep pretending you're special by sticking it to the ad agencies. I do dislike 
in your face ads on webpages which are security risks in themselves.

Re: [qubes-users] Re: [In]Valid Concerns Regarding Integrity of Whonix Project

On Thursday, February 28, 2019 at 1:03:51 AM UTC-5, cooloutac wrote:
> On Friday, February 22, 2019 at 10:50:54 PM UTC-5, awokd wrote:
> > cooloutac:
> > 
> > > The reason why I say privacy and anonymity are two diff things.  And way 
> > > apart from security. is For example if I log into a facebook .onion site. 
> > >  Its still my identity.  All that information about you is still being 
> > > sold to ad agencies.  Governments are still watching it.   The only 
> > > benefit I can see, is again,   people hiding their location for fear of 
> > > their life or imprisonment.
> > 
> > You listed one of the more common Tor benefits in your own paragraph- 
> > many people also use it for every day browsing to avoid most of that 
> > commercial information gathering and resale.
> 
> Meanwhile you are taking up bandwidth from people who are fearing for their 
> life or imprisonment.  Maybe you're getting someone killed to stick it to the 
> ad agencies.   Seems selfish and silly to me, and not a reason to be using 
> tor.

Meanwhile without ad agencies we wouldn't prolly even have an internet.  I can 
get into that if you want lol.   But i'm more worried about my medical history 
being sold.  My credit and personal and financial information...   Not what I 
browse or shop for.  come on...

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Re: [qubes-users] Re: [In]Valid Concerns Regarding Integrity of Whonix Project

On Friday, February 22, 2019 at 10:50:54 PM UTC-5, awokd wrote:
> cooloutac:
> 
> > The reason why I say privacy and anonymity are two diff things.  And way 
> > apart from security. is For example if I log into a facebook .onion site.  
> > Its still my identity.  All that information about you is still being sold 
> > to ad agencies.  Governments are still watching it.   The only benefit I 
> > can see, is again,   people hiding their location for fear of their life or 
> > imprisonment.
> 
> You listed one of the more common Tor benefits in your own paragraph- 
> many people also use it for every day browsing to avoid most of that 
> commercial information gathering and resale.

Meanwhile you are taking up bandwidth from people who are fearing for their 
life or imprisonment.  Maybe you're getting someone killed to stick it to the 
ad agencies.   Seems selfish and silly to me, and not a reason to be using tor.

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[qubes-users] Re: Dom0 upgrade and reinstallation packages

On Thursday, February 21, 2019 at 7:40:06 PM UTC-5, Andrzej Andrzej wrote:
> Hi, I'm asking you to make sure, I do not want broke anything. I made dom0 
> updates a few days ago (two days) via the command line. After running 
> qubes-dom0-update it downloaded packages and updated eg qubes core and a few 
> other packages, but for example packages related to anaconda and a few others 
> just downloaded and did not update them, leaving them in the field for 
> reinstallation. Certainly you also had this after the last updates dom0. What 
> should I do? Command with dnf system-upgrade reboot?

Do you have any other repositories enabled.  like testing,  security?   I 
vaguely remember something like this happening to me.  Have you tried to update 
again?

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Re: [qubes-users] Re: Valid Concerns Regarding Integrity of Whonix Project

and it would still require alot more discipline and restraint not to post 
exposing information about yourself online,  that would defeat the purpose of 
using something like facebook or twitter imno.Again not something I could 
see practical for daily life.   Are there propagandists  and government agents 
on these sites.  Of course,  but even they have a separate personal digital 
life somewhere.The world is getting faker by the minute,  we don't need 
more fakes.

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Re: [qubes-users] Re: Valid Concerns Regarding Integrity of Whonix Project

On Wednesday, February 20, 2019 at 4:17:45 AM UTC-5, qube...@tutanota.com wrote:
> I trust Whonix  the same as I trust Qubes and TAILS, or Debian, Fedora, Xen. 
> I don't have enough intelligence, that would convince me otherwise. And I do 
> research quite often when periodically adjusting my FMECA. Which is just a 
> professional deformation. 
> Every project, however secret, secure, top notch it seems to be, is 
> vulnerable this or that way, and will always remain so. Some of the attacks 
> are common, some are specific. Once old attacks are covered, new emerge. That 
> is life. Disregard a project, only because one of the emerging attacks, is 
> pathetic (I know not your case, you have different reasons mentioned), as 
> this attack (ausie law like, or malicious dev) is possible for every other 
> project too, including your refrigerator, assembled on the production line 
> with malicious guy, willing to do evil. Living somewhere in cave is not a 
> solution.
> 
> Interestingly I don't have much problem with Whonix in Qubes, and I like it 
> very much. Working very well. I use it on daily basis as my primary template 
> in Qubes, for my company management, email, chat, browsing, research, and 
> privately as well, because I believe that anonymity is a very strong security 
> attitude to thread mitigation, even I understand well the limitations of Tor 
> and Whonix as well. They are clear about what they can do and what not. Are 
> they a magical wand, solving all problems of the world? No, and they don't 
> claim that.
> Most of the time I try to prefer connections to .onion websites rather than 
> clearnet, because I don't see any benefit from exposing myself to 
> surveillance capitalism. I like v3 onions, and prefer to use it wherever 
> possible. I love to see myself as a person, not as a product. When chatting 
> on XMPP with OTR I use .onion server for my identity and ask the other site 
> to do the same, as I don't see any benefit using clernet server. Tor allows 
> me to mitigate some risks, and of course opening me to another ones. This 
> comparison is still putting the weight *for-tor-whonix-in-qubes*. Others may 
> have it different, depending on ones OPSEC and ones willingness to give 
> his/her life away for free to any random observer. 
> 
> I hope Whonix will go on further with their excellent job, same as Qubes or 
> TAILS or Torproject. 
> 
> I would just stress out the importance to include the high-risk, high-impact 
> emerging threads into their thread model and try to mitigate these risks same 
> way, as other risks included there already - recognized. If you set up your 
> bullet-proof environment and than by crossing a nation border just breaks it 
> down by one simple question of the officer, than resistance of your security 
> setup is extremely weak and breakable any time. More and more states will go 
> on with this attacks in the near future. Australia is only the first one to 
> make it so clear. There are tools and ways available for mitigation, for 
> Plausible Deniability for example, like Hidden Operating System, Hidden 
> Volumes, but are not included in the standard package of the projects yet. If 
> I was a programmer, I would sure contribute, but I am not. And so the only 
> point is to mention it, and try to stress it enough, to motivate people with 
> skill-set to contribute for all of us.
> 
> 
> 
> 
> Feb 20, 2019, 6:15 AM by raahe...@gmail.com:
> 
> > I read that whonix thread.  Still not sure why whonix doesn't have a 
> > canary.  What could it hurt?  Any aspect of the project could be 
> > compromised for any reason.   Thats the same as people saying I have 
> > nothing to hide so why worry.  In the other thread Patrick says US laws 
> > affect all countries.
> >
> > And don't feel bad.  Patrick banned me from the forums too once a long 
> > while ago.  I told him I'd never post there again and never did. lol.
> >
> > I was constantly having issues with whonix.   You are a target just for 
> > using it.  You really have to pay attention when you are updating it.
> >
> > Sill never understood why the user qubes-whonix left the project in 
> > flamboyant fashion claiming it was just a "cool experiment" and its 
> > "security was not taken seriously" ...
> >
> > I stopped using whonix after the annoying clock issue.  And then couldn't 
> > be troubled to install the latest version and just removed it instead. 
> >
> > I'm sure it has its purposes and some people need it.  But I don't.  The 
> > websites I use qubes for ban tor or it just has no benefit.  Anonymity is 
> > different then privacy.
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[qubes-users] Re: Best ideal laptop for Qubes?

https://www.qubes-os.org/doc/hcl/command to test if vt-d is supported.

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[qubes-users] Re: Best ideal laptop for Qubes?

On Wednesday, February 20, 2019 at 7:49:27 PM UTC-5, dexint...@gmail.com wrote:
> I've been spending hours and hours looking at laptop configs from dell to 
> lenovo and I still have yet to make a decision. I'm hoping you guys can help 
> me. 
> 
> Uses:
> 
> - Programming
> - Web Dev
> - Tor
> - Screen real estate
> - Regular web surfing and videos
> - Some video and photo editing but I have a PC for that 
> 
> I'd like to keep cost as low as possible but my budget is very flexible if I 
> need to stretch it. I want something that will last me 3-5 years.

The most important thing, in terms of Qubes,  is the hardware specifications 
and if it supports all the proper qubes security features.

https://www.qubes-os.org/news/2016/07/21/new-hw-certification-for-q4/ 

"Of course, to be compatible with Qubes OS, the BIOS must properly expose all 
the VT-x, VT-d, and SLAT functionality that the underlying hardware offers (and 
which we require). Among other things, this implies proper DMAR ACPI table 
construction." 

The way to figure this out is to go to the store and boot one up with a qubes 
live flash stick.Or to get a hold of the manual and see if it mentions vt-d 
anywhere in it as an option.

Regarding the specific questions you are asking, that is a general hardware 
questions.

https://www.qubes-os.org/doc/system-requirements/

"Fast SSD (strongly recommended)
Intel IGP (strongly preferred)
Nvidia GPUs may require significant troubleshooting.
AMD GPUs have not been formally tested, but Radeons (RX580 and earlier) 
generally work well
See the Hardware Compatibility List
TPM with proper BIOS support (required for Anti Evil Maid)
A non-USB keyboard or multiple USB controllers
Also consider the hardware certification requirements for Qubes 4.x."

I would also recommend at least 16gb of ram.  more if you can afford it.

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[qubes-users] Re: What is the state of automatic updates?

On Wednesday, February 20, 2019 at 5:39:09 AM UTC-5, Frank Beuth wrote:
> The documentation is somewhat unclear: which updates can be or are automated, 
> and for which updates do users need to do manual checking? (and can this be 
> turned into a cron job?)
> 
> I checked the qubes-users archive but found conflicting (probably out of 
> date) 
> information.

>From a security point of view I would caution against automatic updates. 

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[qubes-users] Re: Is it safe to install Qubes4 on laptop used windows10 before?

On Wednesday, February 13, 2019 at 3:55:06 PM UTC-5, zxcv...@scryptmail.com 
wrote:
> Hello All,
> 
> I have a laptop from family that is rarely used,but with windows10 installed 
> on it,arguably the most infamous windows version.
> 
> If I install Qubse4.0 on this laptop, would qubes completely wipe windows10 
> away?  
> Since some hardware's ID numbers are registered with microsoft in update 
> process,and maybe even UUID, 
> would microsoft still be able to track this laptop when it's online?
> 
> Second option, is to take off the harddrive with windows10 and change to a 
> completely new one purely for qubes. 
> with the concern above still there-the hard ware records---can microsoft 
> track THIS laptop when it's online?
> 
> * by installed with windows 10 ---I mean it pressed the agree button on 
> microsoft agreement when new laptop 
>   switched on, this stage is offline,
> 
>   and pressed 'update' button, and fully updated with microsoft and 
> registered with it, this part is online.
> 
> Please advi
>  se, thank you

MS wouldn't be able to track you from anything on your hdd. BUt not sure why 
you would be worried about that?   Tor would help keep your location anonymous, 
 but to block browser fingerprints you would probably be better off using 
whonix which has tor browser.  But i'm not really sure how effective it is at 
stopping that.

I think Qubes is more for home desktop security,  not really anonymity.  Maybe 
tails on a flash drive is more for your use case.

 Google is probably tracking you more and actually making money off your 
browsing habits.  But There is nothing wrong with installing Qubes on your 
machine.   I mean are you afraid of Microsoft assassinating you, throwing you 
in jail?  I'm not sure they even make ad money off you unless you are using 
windows 10,  and probably only then when using an MS account on a non hardened 
machine.

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Re: [qubes-users] Whonix update error??

On Monday, February 18, 2019 at 12:00:53 AM UTC-5, 22...@tutamail.com wrote:
> Mus be the Australian government and the five eyes! 
> 
> I tried it on a clone and it update no issues...tried it on my main templates 
> as-is/no change to http(fromhttps) and they happened to work fine.
> 
> Next time I will consider the option of waiting...
> 
> Xaver rock! Thx...

Yes you are targeted way more with MITM attacks when updating with tor I've 
learned.  You really have to pay attention to any notifications before hitting 
Yes.  Such as invalid signature, etc...  But even the best of us can hit y by 
accident.  

Sometimes when I have issues updating.  I will update from qubes-manager,  or I 
will update manually from console,  which sometimes will give different 
results.  For examplesometimes will notice a notification on one but not the 
other.

I think this is the biggest way to attack qubes users.  Through updates. Its 
what Spengler threatened Joanna with.Especially dom0 updates you need to be 
extra careful.  Most of us have hardware thats already screwed, imo.

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Re: [qubes-users] Re: Valid Concerns Regarding Integrity of Whonix Project

On Thursday, February 21, 2019 at 4:16:52 PM UTC-5, Patrick Schleizer wrote:
> cooloutac:
> > I read that whonix thread.  Still not sure why whonix doesn't have a 
> > canary.  What could it hurt?  Any aspect of the project could be 
> > compromised for any reason.   Thats the same as people saying I have 
> > nothing to hide so why worry.  In the other thread Patrick says US laws 
> > affect all countries.
> > 
> > Patrick banned me from the forums too once a long while ago.  I told him 
> > I'd never post there again and never did. lol.
> 
> "banned" is wrong. Ban referring to a block from posting to Whonix
> forum. That was never the case.
> 
> Reference:
> 
> https://forums.whonix.org/t/forward-and-reverse-dns-dont-match-up/2147

Ok well then I banned myself before flipping out lol.  I'm sure I have more 
threads then that.  

 But I for one wouldn't trust you the same as trusting someone like Marek.  And 
thats what it boils down to.  You are a little too emotional and have multiple 
agendas in your life.  But at least you're not as bad as the subgraph os guy.  
And hey I wouldn't trust me if I was running a project either lol.

Nor would I trust it as much as a project like debian that has so many more 
free software eyes on it.

Everytime I came to you with a problem you had an attitude.  I never 
experienced that on qubes forums.  And  updating whonix is so sketchy and such 
a pain in the ass I gave up on it.  I have no need for it.  I think it creates 
more security problems then it solves in qubes.

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[qubes-users] Re: Valid Concerns Regarding Integrity of Whonix Project

2019-02-19 Thread cooloutac

I read that whonix thread. Still not sure why whonix doesn't have a canary.
What could it hurt? Any aspect of the project could be compromised for any
reason. Thats the same as people saying I have nothing to hide so why worry.
In the other thread Patrick says US laws affect all countries.

And don't feel bad. Patrick banned me from the forums too once a long while
ago. I told him I'd never post there again and never did. lol.

I was constantly having issues with whonix. You are a target just for using
it. You really have to pay attention when you are updating it.

Sill never understood why the user qubes-whonix left the project in flamboyant
fashion claiming it was just a "cool experiment" and its "security was not
taken seriously" ...

I stopped using whonix after the annoying clock issue. And then couldn't be
troubled to install the latest version and just removed it instead.

I'm sure it has its purposes and some people need it. But I don't. The
websites I use qubes for ban tor or it just has no benefit. Anonymity is
different then privacy.

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Re: [qubes-users] Whonix Yes or No

2019-02-19 Thread cooloutac

I stopped using whonix a while ago.   I wasn't huge on tor to begin with.  I 
was more in line with how Joanna originally felt about it.The only time I 
used tor was to check security certificates.  Then after the issue that 
happened a year or two ago started using it as updatevm.   But whonix kept 
giving me so many problems,  is so darn slow,   and was constantly feeling 
sketchy to me I stopped using it after the latest issues with clock, and then 
the latest version I didn't even bother troubling with. 

I'm sure it has valid use cases but personally for me I have no need for it.  
Most sites I go to on the computer I don't need tor or tor is not even allowed. 
  And I still feel anonymity and privacy are two diff things.

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[qubes-users] passhprase or os boot doesn't prompt from gui anymore?

2019-01-29 Thread cooloutac

Just want to make sure this is normal behavior.  I noticed a couple weeks ago 
the passphrase asks me type in from boot prompt and doesn't ask me to type in 
passphrase from gui screen anymore.   Is this normal?

Thanks, 
Rich.

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Re: [qubes-users] fedora-26-dvm always shows updates pending, can't delete it.

2019-01-24 Thread cooloutac

did a -v and saw that it said metadata errors.

So sudo dnf clean metadata fixed the issue.

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[qubes-users] Re: dom0 error

2018-12-18 Thread cooloutac

On Sunday, December 16, 2018 at 8:13:52 AM UTC-5, Roy Bernat wrote:
> while trying to update dom0 
> 
> getting error sys-firewall command failed with code 1 
> 
> Roy

I'm getting the same thing.  Updates go through but just wondering why the 
error and if it should be a concern.

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[qubes-users] Re: fedora-29 update indicator

2018-12-14 Thread cooloutac

On Friday, December 14, 2018 at 9:10:33 AM UTC-5, Dominique St-Pierre Boucher 
wrote:
> Good morning Qubes community,
> 
> I am using version 4 and I have fedora-29 template. Even after the updates, 
> it still shows that the template needs update. How do I fix this issue?
> 
> Thanks
> 
> Dominique

I am having the same issue after installing fedora-28 template.Upgrading my 
fedora-27-clone to fedora-28-clone does not have the issue though.   Only the 
fedora-28 vm I installed from the dom0 repo.

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[qubes-users] sys-firewall command failed with code : 1

2018-12-14 Thread cooloutac

Notice this error message when updating dom0.   Should I be concerned?

Not sure if related but was also having trouble updating fedora templates.   
after updating to new fedora 28.  Kept telling me failed to synchronize cache.  
using clean all command didn't help.  

Finally realized that it was because I was using sys-whonix to update 
everything, which was outdated.   So I set both the fedora update proxies and 
global qubes manager back to sys-firewall.

Everything seems to be updating fine now but I am seeing this error message and 
wondering if I should be concerned or what action should I take?

Thanks in advance for the help.

Rich.

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[qubes-users] Re: [qubes-devel] My farewell to Qubes OS!

Definitely changed the world! Thankyou. Interesting project.   Hope you 
continue to be a Qubes user, best of luck.

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Re: [qubes-users] Qubes menu failing. Come on guys

but at this point I would like to just remove it and reinstall it but the same 
thing keeps happening.  pretty sure only testing repos I use would be security 
one. 

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Re: [qubes-users] Qubes menu failing. Come on guys

On Thursday, November 8, 2018 at 9:36:23 PM UTC-5, cooloutac wrote:
> I just lost all my system menus.   It might have been from me trying to 
> delete and reinstall a template. not sure what happened as I was having 
> difficulties updating whonix-gw and took drastic measures lmao
> 
> But an easy fix to add all the menu items back was to enter the command found 
> here posted by jpouellet:
> 
> sudo qubes-dom0-update --action=reinstall $(rpm -qal | grep 
> /usr/share/applications | xargs rpm -qf | sort -u)
> 
> https://github.com/QubesOS/qubes-issues/issues/2952

I think it happened from before the update for me.   Losing all the system menu 
items happened from me deleting something myself I believe  lol.   but the not 
being able to fully load or an app to the gui from whonix-gw happened on its 
own.

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Re: [qubes-users] Qubes menu failing. Come on guys

On Thursday, November 8, 2018 at 11:55:45 AM UTC-5, pieter lems wrote:
> I don't mean this in a bad way but isn't 4.0.1 a testing release? 
> if you are using qubes for important things you should stick with 4.0 as
>  of now. (it's also mentioned in the release notes) Devs are no 
> wizards.  :)
> I hope you get it working.
> 
> 
> Op do 8 nov. 2018 om 13:45 schreef unman :
> On Wed, Nov 07, 2018 at 08:14:23PM -0800, Ryan Tate wrote:
> 
> > I don't know what is going on with 4.0.1 but suddenly my machine is haywire.
> 
> > 
> 
> > The latest is everything above and below the VMs is gone from the Qubes 
> > menu. The bottom of the menu where I'd go to shut down just says "No 
> > applications found." The top where I would go to find settings, Qubes 
> > Manager, even the dom0 Terminal is just gone. So I don't even know how to 
> > debug. I've rebooting several times, it keeps happening.
> 
> > 
> 
> > I know Qubes is fairly high maintenance but I had a nice groove going with 
> > qubes 4 finally. Whatever updates you are pushing down with 4.0.1 updates 
> > are breaking my workflow left and right. First whonix got borked now the 
> > Qubes menu is broken. I shudder to think what will be next to fail. This is 
> > frustrating. Some of us are actually trying to get work done in the OS.
> 
> > 
> 
> 
> 
> Hi Ryan
> 
> 
> 
> Are you using Xfce? (The default desktop environment in Qubes)
> 
> 
> 
> Had you made any changes to the menu system?
> 
> Can you check the contents of /etc/xdg/menus/xfce-applications.menu to
> 
> make sure you still have a Menu item for System Tools. If you're not
> 
> sure just post the contents here.
> 
> 
> 
> There was a problem in the past with .desktop files disappearing.
> 
> can you make sure that you have .desktop files in
> 
> /usr/share/applications ?
> 
> 
> 
> unman
> 
> 
> 
> 
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pretty sure i'm using R4.0  how do i check from console I'm only getting this 
from qube-manager

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Re: [qubes-users] Re: update broke whonix, can't reinstall

On Thursday, November 8, 2018 at 9:41:34 PM UTC-5, cooloutac wrote:
> and like above poster I have found that uninstalling template or reinstalling 
> template is not fixing the issue.   anyone know how I can get whonix-gw 
> updated or load a terminal on it again?

also tried removing and re-adding appmenus.  but as I said even trying to load 
konsole from qvm-run doens't work.   nothing happens.

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Re: [qubes-users] Re: update broke whonix, can't reinstall

and like above poster I have found that uninstalling template or reinstalling 
template is not fixing the issue.   anyone know how I can get whonix-gw updated 
or load a terminal on it again?

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Re: [qubes-users] Re: update broke whonix, can't reinstall

On Thursday, November 8, 2018 at 9:38:55 PM UTC-5, cooloutac wrote:
> On Wednesday, November 7, 2018 at 7:30:32 PM UTC-5, unman wrote:
> > On Wed, Nov 07, 2018 at 12:25:34PM -0800, Ryan Tate wrote:
> > > On Wednesday, November 7, 2018 at 3:23:46 PM UTC-5, Ryan Tate wrote:
> > > > Installed package qubes-template-whonix-gw-4.0.0-201803270426.noarch 
> > > > not available
> > > > Error: No packages marked for reinstall.
> > > > 
> > > > Installed package qubes-template-whonix-ws-4.0.0.-201803270504.noarch 
> > > > not available.
> > > > Error: No packages marked for reintall.
> > > 
> > > I forgot to say which commands I used to reinstall:
> > > 
> > > sudo qubes-dom0-update --action=reinstall qubes-template-whonix-gw
> > > 
> > > and
> > > 
> > > sudo qubes-dom0-update --action=reinstall qubes-template-whonix-ws
> > > 
> > 
> > The problem is, as I recently discovered, is that dnf reinstall
> > attempts to reinstall exactly the same version of the package that you
> > have. This means that if the package has been updated and the old package
> > removed then reinstall will fail.
> > You probably need to use update.
> 
> I'm having the same exact problem right now.   Tried uninstalling and 
> reinstalling template as well.   But only after I already couldn't open up 
> any applications in whonix-gw,  after seeing that the update window from 
> qubes-manager wasn't loading anymore.
> 
> In the past this was a debian thing to do with the languages changing and 
> having to change it back to english.
> 
> But the issue is I can't bring up any program in the gui for whonix-gw,  
> can't bring up a terminal or update it.

I didn't copy anything from dom0.  didn't do any changes to system at all.  
whonix-gw just all of a sudden will not load any applications from menu,  or 
qvm-run.   nothing happens.  and its not updating.

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Re: [qubes-users] Re: update broke whonix, can't reinstall

On Wednesday, November 7, 2018 at 7:30:32 PM UTC-5, unman wrote:
> On Wed, Nov 07, 2018 at 12:25:34PM -0800, Ryan Tate wrote:
> > On Wednesday, November 7, 2018 at 3:23:46 PM UTC-5, Ryan Tate wrote:
> > > Installed package qubes-template-whonix-gw-4.0.0-201803270426.noarch not 
> > > available
> > > Error: No packages marked for reinstall.
> > > 
> > > Installed package qubes-template-whonix-ws-4.0.0.-201803270504.noarch not 
> > > available.
> > > Error: No packages marked for reintall.
> > 
> > I forgot to say which commands I used to reinstall:
> > 
> > sudo qubes-dom0-update --action=reinstall qubes-template-whonix-gw
> > 
> > and
> > 
> > sudo qubes-dom0-update --action=reinstall qubes-template-whonix-ws
> > 
> 
> The problem is, as I recently discovered, is that dnf reinstall
> attempts to reinstall exactly the same version of the package that you
> have. This means that if the package has been updated and the old package
> removed then reinstall will fail.
> You probably need to use update.

I'm having the same exact problem right now.   Tried uninstalling and 
reinstalling template as well.   But only after I already couldn't open up any 
applications in whonix-gw,  after seeing that the update window from 
qubes-manager wasn't loading anymore.

In the past this was a debian thing to do with the languages changing and 
having to change it back to english.

But the issue is I can't bring up any program in the gui for whonix-gw,  can't 
bring up a terminal or update it.

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Re: [qubes-users] Qubes menu failing. Come on guys

I just lost all my system menus.   It might have been from me trying to delete 
and reinstall a template. not sure what happened as I was having difficulties 
updating whonix-gw and took drastic measures lmao

But an easy fix to add all the menu items back was to enter the command found 
here posted by jpouellet:

sudo qubes-dom0-update --action=reinstall $(rpm -qal | grep 
/usr/share/applications | xargs rpm -qf | sort -u)

https://github.com/QubesOS/qubes-issues/issues/2952

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Re: [qubes-users] Re: Qubes 4.0 sluggish feel

2018-08-08 Thread cooloutac



I get this problem sometimes when I update templates,   then restart all the 
vms.  Solution is to reboot the pc.  Only happens to me on 4.0

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Re: [qubes-users] fedora warning

2018-05-27 Thread cooloutac

On Sunday, May 27, 2018 at 8:30:24 AM UTC-4, haaber wrote:
> > dnf warns about failed download (for any reason, including unexpected
> > checksum), but then retry download from another mirror. If all mirrors
> > fails then package installation will fail. Example message for such
> > case:
> > https://github.com/QubesOS/qubes-issues/issues/2945#issuecomment-318877445
> > 
> This is probably be true, but especially on longer download lists 
> impossible to check even for a patient user (and I guess I am not that 
> patient :) The point is: re-downloads are not triggered immediately, and 
> until the requested package arrived (or dl fails), but appear instead 
> "randomly" somewhere later in the output. This happens sometimes several 
> screen pages later. Some of these re-downloads re-fail and the procedure 
> reiterates (I refrain from joining hundreds of lines of actual output 
> here, to deliver proof of that :) My first post was triggered because I 
> overlooked in this chaotic output the important successful download 
> line. This was, I admit, my fault.  However, I still argue that if there 
> is some output, then it should be reasonably verifiable, to my point of 
> view : (almost) unverifiable outputs may also be sent to /dev/null 
> directly. Don't you agree on that? Bernhard

It will prompt you for yes or no.  But I've found that sometimes I constantly 
have an update pending arrow showing in qubes-manager cause it might fail to 
download chrome in fedora template if its repo file not set to https as example 
when using  sys-whonix updatevm. 

But user might not notice this since everything else updates.

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[qubes-users] Re: Is my Qubes system corrupted or is this just a bug?

2018-05-24 Thread cooloutac

On Wednesday, May 23, 2018 at 11:37:39 AM UTC-4, Mindus Amitiel Debsin wrote:
> I've been having problems with the Qube Manager since I got Qubes installed, 
> and this most recent error makes me truly believe that there is something 
> wrong.
> 
> So I had Debian-9 templateVM running and I right clicked on it in Qube 
> Manager and told it to shut down. [I wanted to clone the Debian-9 so I had a 
> workspace that had exfat support] Then after about 30 seconds, it was still 
> up, so I right clicked on it and said "Kill Qube."
> 
> And the response I got was this: (Sorry I couldn't screenshot it).
> ===
> 
> [Dom0] Houston, We have a problem...
> Whoops. A critical error has occured. This is most likely a bug in Qubes 
> Manager.
> 
> Assertion Error: 
> at line 830
> of file /usr/lib/python3.5/site-packages/qubesmanager/qube_manager.py
> 
> 
> ===
> 
> I had been trying to get a Windows 10 Qube installed so I can learn Qube 
> while also getting some stuff done in my primary OS. I have read a very 
> interesting post here that encouraged me: 
> https://groups.google.com/d/topic/qubes-users/dB_OU87dJWA
> But sadly my attempts to even get a Win 10 installation started have resulted 
> in complete failure. I have 2 Windows 10 install methods: by USB drive, and 
> by .iso file. Neither have worked at all in the Qube I have created for it.  
> Obviously I was using the Debian qube from before because it supports exfat.
> 
> ===
> 
> When I start Qubes from boot, I get this message:
> "[FAILED] Failed to start Load Kernal Modules.
> See 'systemctl status systemd-modules-load.service' for details"
> 
> and then it goes into 
> "Starting apply Kernal Variables..."
> And it has a bunch of [OK]s in the boot.
> 
> ===
> Since I believed that my qubes system might be corrupted, I did a "shutdown 
> -Fr" in dom0 terminal, but it didn't seem to have any effect other than an 
> ordinary shutdown.
> 
> 
> So my questions:
> 
> 1) How do I confirm that my Qubes system is fully functioning? Like maybe an 
> SFC for Qubes?
> 2) With the error with the Qubes manager, how do I fix that or upgrade to a 
> newer version?
> 3) Are there any step-by-step install instructions for an HVM Windows 10 
> Qubes install?
> 
> Thanks for reading. Maybe I will come up with more questions later. Sorry I 
> don't know Qubes or Linux very well. I've been going through the 
> documentation and have even used terminal commands instead of just GUI, but 
> it is still a learning experience.
> 
> ~Mindus

yes as above poster said, after every action you need to manually refresh the 
qubes manager by clicking the green recycle icon. The qubes manager is still 
showing it as running but it is already shut down thats probably why you are 
getting that error message.

A more reliable way to see running qubes with mouse is by using the widget in 
taskbar.

I also personally like to keep qubes-manager organized by the state column.

 

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[qubes-users] Re: Q4.0 Fedora-26 -> Fedora-28 python3.6 errors



I had issues too going to fedora 27.   I tried to do it off my clone didn't 
work. couldn't. find where to install it from testing repos either.   but 
installing fedora 26 default vm and cloning and updating that worked fine.

also green arrow wouldn't go away for me since i'm using google chrome and use 
whonix to update the vm and would get failed to synchronize cache errors.  had 
to change fedora repos to use https.   then realized have to do same thing for 
google chrome repo. 

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[qubes-users] whonixdvm isn't using updated torbrowser

even though I'm updating the template. I have to keep choosing the option to 
restart the browser to update.

Anyone else experience this?  I think maybe I should just delete it an recreate 
it.

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[qubes-users] Re: why Whonix and not Tails or the anon-vm?

On Monday, May 21, 2018 at 12:43:19 AM UTC-4, cooloutac wrote:
> On Sunday, May 20, 2018 at 9:16:09 PM UTC-4, john wrote:
> > On 05/20/18 12:26, Name wrote:
> > > On 05/19/18 22:07, awokd wrote:
> > >> On Sat, May 19, 2018 12:45 pm, 
> > >> qubes-fan-q7wo9g+UVklWk0Htik3J/w...@public.gmane.org wrote:
> > >>
> > >>> Qubes is not amnesic, and therefore not suitable for running amnesic
> > >>> Tails. Therefore the decission for non- amnesic Whonix, running 
> > >>> itself by
> > >>> default, in a virtual environment loved by Qubes.
> > >>
> > >> Disposable VMs (including whonix-ws-dvm) are at least partly amnesic. 
> > >> Once
> > >> you shut it down, you aren't going to recover the contents easily. Tails
> > >> running directly on hardware is more amnesic. Tails running in an HVM is
> > >> somewhere in between. See
> > >> https://github.com/QubesOS/qubes-issues/issues/2024 and links in there.
> > >>
> > > 
> > > well, it's not really my question, but I did notice that in these 
> > > semi-permanent  fedora-27-dvm  and whonix-dvm  that if I make bookmarks 
> > > in firefox they persist which surprises me, as I thought the whole point 
> > > was that with dvm's  nothing persisted,  I'm not sure I really 
> > > understand why I even have these  domains listed  fedora-27-dvm  etc, 
> > > IIRC, in Q3.2   when you went to make a DVM it started and initially 
> > > took a while, and then told you next time it would be faster, but when 
> > > you closed whatever was using the DVM  no domain persisted in the qvm-ls 
> > >   / VM manager, etc  ; much less things like browser bookmarks ...
> > > 
> > > I expect with whonix-appqubes  that bookmarks would persist, but not 
> > > whonix-dvm's
> > > 
> > 
> > * actually they persist in fedora-dvm  but not in whonix-dvm   fwiw :)
> 
> I've been wondering why my whonixdvm for me right now keeps asking me to 
> update.   even though i'm updating the template.

the torbrowser I meant.

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[qubes-users] Re: why Whonix and not Tails or the anon-vm?

On Sunday, May 20, 2018 at 9:16:09 PM UTC-4, john wrote:
> On 05/20/18 12:26, Name wrote:
> > On 05/19/18 22:07, awokd wrote:
> >> On Sat, May 19, 2018 12:45 pm, 
> >> qubes-fan-q7wo9g+UVklWk0Htik3J/w...@public.gmane.org wrote:
> >>
> >>> Qubes is not amnesic, and therefore not suitable for running amnesic
> >>> Tails. Therefore the decission for non- amnesic Whonix, running 
> >>> itself by
> >>> default, in a virtual environment loved by Qubes.
> >>
> >> Disposable VMs (including whonix-ws-dvm) are at least partly amnesic. 
> >> Once
> >> you shut it down, you aren't going to recover the contents easily. Tails
> >> running directly on hardware is more amnesic. Tails running in an HVM is
> >> somewhere in between. See
> >> https://github.com/QubesOS/qubes-issues/issues/2024 and links in there.
> >>
> > 
> > well, it's not really my question, but I did notice that in these 
> > semi-permanent  fedora-27-dvm  and whonix-dvm  that if I make bookmarks 
> > in firefox they persist which surprises me, as I thought the whole point 
> > was that with dvm's  nothing persisted,  I'm not sure I really 
> > understand why I even have these  domains listed  fedora-27-dvm  etc, 
> > IIRC, in Q3.2   when you went to make a DVM it started and initially 
> > took a while, and then told you next time it would be faster, but when 
> > you closed whatever was using the DVM  no domain persisted in the qvm-ls 
> >   / VM manager, etc  ; much less things like browser bookmarks ...
> > 
> > I expect with whonix-appqubes  that bookmarks would persist, but not 
> > whonix-dvm's
> > 
> 
> * actually they persist in fedora-dvm  but not in whonix-dvm   fwiw :)

I've been wondering why my whonixdvm for me right now keeps asking me to 
update.   even though i'm updating the template.

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[qubes-users] Re: Installation freezes on SSD

2018-05-12 Thread cooloutac

its probably discussed on forums somewhere,  I think alot of people use usb 
drive, but I just assumed possible headaches if I wanted to use a sys-usb, I 
could be wrong.  also possible problems if both are on same controller.

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[qubes-users] Re: Installation freezes on SSD

2018-05-12 Thread cooloutac

On Saturday, May 12, 2018 at 8:13:22 PM UTC-4, alex...@gmail.com wrote:
> Hey I am having an issue installing qubes 4.0 on my external SSD (Samsung 1TB 
> SSD T5).  Qubes installes fine with my flash drive that the qubes image is 
> on.  When it askes me to restart the computer after installation I do and 
> boots up fine to the template configuration area.  Now when I am configuring 
> the templates it freezes on me and shows a black cursor.  The mouse also 
> stops working and no keyboards inputs work anymore.  I have left this for 
> about 8 hours and is still there.  I have to power off the computer for it to 
> stop.
> 
> I have also installed this on my flash drive before this to test it out and 
> everything installed perfectly even the template configurations. So this 
> brings me to it has to be something with the SSD.
> 
> Any ideas as to how I can resolve this?

try without making a sys-usb or sys-net vm by default checkbox and make them 
afterwards.

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[qubes-users] Re: Qubes Os4 very slowly comparing to Qubes 3.2

2018-05-08 Thread cooloutac

My Qubes was running extremely slowly after updating the templates yesterday.  
I had to reboot system to fix it.

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[qubes-users] Re: QUBES 4.0 | Installation issue: [Dom0] Qubes OS Setup, Configuring TemplateVM fedora-26 freezed

2018-05-07 Thread cooloutac

On Wednesday, April 4, 2018 at 1:42:54 PM UTC-4, Emanuel Bory wrote:
> Hi guys,
> I have followed the instruction routine: using Rufus to prep. for a USB-based 
> OS (testing).
> https://www.qubes-os.org/doc/installation-guide/
> I stuck in the rebooting routine during 'Configuring TemplateVM fedora-26'.
> I had to do a force shutdown. Now, I cannot boot anymore from my USB.
> Some details:
> Qubes 4.0; kept almost all on default values; enabled encryption
> In the reboot setup I checked the Whoinx Tor option.
> Hardware: Intel NUC7i7BNH and USB 256GB (prep. with Rufus)
> I found this: "... Fedora installer that affect Qubes 3.2 (Bug 1170803,Bug 
> 1374983, andBug 1268700; tracked in Qubes issue#2835) ..." Is my issue liked 
> to this issue from R3.2?
> 
> 
> Any help is very welcome.
> Thanks!


Try without tor or without a usb vm.

You can add them afterwards. 



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[qubes-users] Re: Qubes Os4 very slowly comparing to Qubes 3.2

On Monday, April 30, 2018 at 3:10:30 PM UTC-4, frkl...@gmail.com wrote:
> That could be a good idea John! 
> 
> I have only one problem. I can not disable Speedstep in the Bios- Uefi 
> because there is no Speedstep configuration. 
> 
> Does anyone know how to disable speedstep outside of the Bios at qubes os? I 
> didn't find any solution.

disable c-states option if there is one.  just make sure your pc doesn't run 
significantly hotter.

also as previous poster said 8 gb of ram is too small and 4.0 uses more 
resources then 3.2 as well.  ssd also helps.

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Re: [qubes-users] Doc page 404 not found.

On Monday, April 30, 2018 at 7:31:31 AM UTC-4, Ivan Mitev wrote:
> On 04/30/2018 02:27 PM, cooloutac wrote:
> > Can't load the Qubes documentation page on website.
> 
> (posted in another thread):
> 
> https://github.com/QubesOS/qubes-issues/issues/3870

Thanks.

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[qubes-users] Doc page 404 not found.

Can't load the Qubes documentation page on website.

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[qubes-users] Re: dvm is not starting from command line, starts normal AppVM

On Friday, April 27, 2018 at 3:39:58 AM UTC-4, qube...@tutanota.com wrote:
> hi, I try to start firefox in my deb-dvm-net from command line with alt+f2
> 
> qvm-run deb-dvm-net firefox
> 
> It starts a normal AppVM deb-dvm-net instead of dvm. 
> 
> If I but start the firefox directly from Start - Disposable: deb-dvm-net - 
> firefox, it starts the dvm normally like for example disp2441. 
> 
> Is the dvm disabled in konsole? Also I cant start konsole in dvm. The console 
> window blinks and disapears.
> 
> Thank you!

Ya i'm having same problem also with gnome terminal in default fedora dvm.  It 
doesn't start.

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Re: [qubes-users] Re: Qubes 4 boot ISO

On Sunday, April 29, 2018 at 8:11:28 PM UTC-4, Drew White wrote:
> On Sunday, 29 April 2018 01:50:22 UTC+10, awokd  wrote:
> > On Sat, April 28, 2018 2:24 am, Drew White wrote:
> > > On Saturday, 28 April 2018 02:07:21 UTC+10, awokd  wrote:
> > >
> > >> On Fri, April 27, 2018 6:40 am, Drew White wrote:
> > >>
> > >>> Still not working no matter what I do.
> > >>>
> > >>>
> > >>>
> > >>> Does anyone have any possible resolution to resolve this please?
> > >>>
> > >>
> > >> How are you making the boot device? If USB from Linux, a standard "cp
> > >> qubes.iso /dev/xvdj" (where xvdj is your USB device) should work. You
> > >> can also try switching to legacy boot mode.
> > >
> > > I burn it to DVD. It is an ISO after all.
> > > I always use Legacy Boot mode.
> > 
> > I had trouble burning to DVD at first because the image is large enough to
> > require dual-layer burner support. Ended up using Debian Stretch with
> > default software and a newer drive before I got a good burn. If you're
> > using some other tool, try Debian instead.
> 
> The Qubes 4 ISO fits on a normal DVD. So it's fine.
> The thing is it worked and booted in a Guest once.
> But wouldn't boot on the PC or using external HDD.
> 
> This is why I am unsure.
> 
> I have all the requirements filled, but it won't boot to it because of that 
> issue.

Are you sure its fine?  You can't even download the iso to a default qube its 
so big.4.7gb is the size of a normal dvd.  And thats the same space I 
needed to download the iso sucessfully.  Thats cutting it pretty close, you 
sure a bigger dvd wouldn't help? 

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[qubes-users] Re: Music streaming in Firefox 59: QubesOS 4.0 / Fedora 26

2018-04-25 Thread cooloutac

On Wednesday, April 25, 2018 at 3:38:52 PM UTC-4, 00010...@gmail.com wrote:
> > maybe mp4?   gstreamer1-libav package?
> 
> Thanks, but unfortunately it did not work.
> 
> I found https://itsfoss.com/things-to-do-installing-fedora-22/ and it says to 
> install all of the following:
> 
> gstreamer-plugins-bad
> gstreamer-plugins-bad-free-extras
> gstreamer-plugins-ugly
> gstreamer-ffmpeg
> gstreamer1-libav
> gstreamer1-plugins-bad-free-extras
> gstreamer1-plugins-bad-freeworld
> gstreamer1-plugins-base-tools
> gstreamer1-plugins-good-extras
> gstreamer1-plugins-ugly
> gstreamer1-plugins-bad-free
> gstreamer1-plugins-good
> gstreamer1-plugins-base
> gstreamer1
> 
> But Fedora 22 is old, so is the above information still correct or does it 
> need revision?

I'm not sure have you tried google chrome?

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[qubes-users] Re: Created dvm appears as a normal AppVM instead of dvm

2018-04-24 Thread cooloutac

On Tuesday, April 24, 2018 at 5:54:11 AM UTC-4, qube...@tutanota.com wrote:
> I created the new dvm:
> 
> [user@dom0 ~]$ qvm-create --template debian-9 --label red deb-dvm-net
> [user@dom0 ~]$ qvm-prefs deb-dvm-net template_for_dispvms True
> [user@dom0 ~]$ qvm-features deb-dvm-net appmenus-dispvm 1
> 
> The created deb-dvm-net is seen in the Qube Manager as a normal AppVM.  
> 
> In the menu of Advanced - Default DispVM it can still be seen as a dvm.
> 
> Any ideas?

not sure, maybe you have to name it deb-net-dvm?

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Re: [qubes-users] suspend to ram, r8169, networking in sys-net not working after resume

2018-04-22 Thread cooloutac

On Sunday, April 22, 2018 at 1:44:18 PM UTC-4, Mike Keehan wrote:
> On Sat, 21 Apr 2018 14:20:02 +0200 (CEST)
>  wrote:
> 
> > >> My issue:
> > >>
> > >> On qubes version r4.0 after resuming from suspend networking isn't
> > >> working. On qubes r3.2 this wasn't an issue.
> > >>
> > >>
> > >> After resuming from suspend to ram, networking on sys-net isn't
> > >> working: $ ip addr
> > >> 6: ens5:  mtu 1500 qdisc
> > >> fq_codel state DOWN group default qlen 1000 link/ether
> > >> 4c:cc:6a:30:f5:90 brd ff:ff:ff:ff:ff:ff
> > >>
> ...snip...
>  
> > >> ---
> > >> After resuming I've tried:
> > >> [user@sys-net ~]$ sudo rmmod r8169
> > >> [user@sys-net ~]$ sudo rmmod mii
> > >> [user@sys-net ~]$ sudo modprobe mii
> > >> [user@sys-net ~]$ sudo modprobe r8169  
> > >
> > > did you try to `rmmod` *before* suspending ?  
> > 
> 
> Try adding the module names to the sys-net file 
> /etc/qubes-suspend-module-blacklist, and Qubes should handle them
> for you.
> 
> Mike.

I tried that for my ethernet module but it didn't help.

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[qubes-users] Re: Music streaming in Firefox 59: QubesOS 4.0 / Fedora 26

On Tuesday, April 17, 2018 at 5:51:43 PM UTC-4, 00010...@gmail.com wrote:
> What is holding a music streaming station (or entire site) like 
> https://www.radiotunes.com/datempolounge back from streaming under QubesOS 
> 4.0 - Fedora 26 - Firefox 59 ?
> 
> AFAIK, MP3 support is now integrated in Fedora. What is still missing?

maybe mp4?   gstreamer1-libav package?

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[qubes-users] Re: Multiboot with Ubuntu : invalid signature

On Wednesday, April 18, 2018 at 3:44:10 PM UTC-4, nhp...@gmail.com wrote:
> After 6 hours of trials, I finally to search for help here:
> 
> I've installed Qubes onto my PC with Ubuntu and Win10 already installed.
> 
> To multiboot Ubuntu with Qubes (Win10 is unimportant here), I followed the 
> Multiboot tutorial and handled with some modifications of the parameters 
> without luck.
> 
> 
> After some trials on Qubes Bootloader I re-installed the Bootloader of Ubuntu 
> and added the commands into 
> /etc/grub.d/40_custom.
> 
> I always get the invalid signature message
> 
> /dev/sdb1: UUID="7EF489BEF48978E3" TYPE="ntfs" PARTLABEL="Basic data 
> partition" PARTUUID="e9b9258c-eb19-4917-ba4b-6be9b6120063"
> /dev/sdb2: UUID="2A56-C781" TYPE="vfat" PARTLABEL="EFI system partition" 
> PARTUUID="e509094a-abf7-4602-a6a5-12cb27f926a3"
> /dev/sdb4: LABEL="Win10" UUID="2ACC640FCC63D41B" TYPE="ntfs" PARTLABEL="Basic 
> data partition" PARTUUID="d431cf1e-218d-44ef-a592-8721bb12ae96"
> /dev/sdb5: UUID="53c7d5ce-1628-4fff-b764-96ba2e9cfc7e" TYPE="ext4" 
> PARTUUID="219f1f65-1156-4489-9075-609208d4d268"
> /dev/sdb7: UUID="62c8211a-9a75-4f03-b19d-a42144b2b811" TYPE="ext4" 
> PARTUUID="14457fbc-1dec-476b-8d00-f25ab8781024"
> /dev/sdb8: UUID="phAkAt-gqMO-jgfU-ymJ5-c2ig-B3Rw-A7SO8h" TYPE="LVM2_member" 
> PARTUUID="eadaa2a5-5e9e-4563-9ff5-02f567a36036"
> 
> Triet event to boot Qubes through the entry:
> insmod part_gpt
> insmod ext2
> set root='(hd1,7)'
> search --no-floppy --fs-uuid --set 62c8211a-9a75-4f03-b19d-a42144b2b811
> chainloader +1
> 
> Need some help in solving this confusing situation.
> 
> BTW = The sdb7 folder has an EFI folder
> My Ubuntu x64 16.04 doesn't
> 
> I can reinstall Qubes if needed, but I am unable to delete my Ubuntu 
> partition, needed for my daily work.

maybe you have to turn off secure boot in bios?

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[qubes-users] Re: R4.0 rc4: Devices and VM tray icons disappeared

On Thursday, April 19, 2018 at 6:38:57 AM UTC-4, Антон Чехов wrote:
> On Thursday, April 19, 2018 at 12:27:25 PM UTC+2, cooloutac wrote:
> > On Thursday, April 19, 2018 at 6:19:45 AM UTC-4, Антон Чехов wrote:
> > > On Saturday, February 17, 2018 at 1:06:16 AM UTC+1, Daniel Moerner wrote:
> > > > On Friday, February 16, 2018 at 6:48:22 PM UTC-5, Daniel Moerner wrote:
> > > > > Hi all,
> > > > > 
> > > > > After a recent reboot, the devices and VM tray icons no longer are 
> > > > > appearing on boot in Xfce. I have no idea what might have caused 
> > > > > this. There were no dom0 updates in the meantime. If I try to 
> > > > > manually run them, e.g., python3 -mqui.tray.devices, I get the 
> > > > > following:
> > > > > 
> > > > > ERROR:dbus.proxies.Introspect error on 
> > > > > org.qubes.DomainManager1:/org/qubes/DomainManager1: 
> > > > > dbus.exceptions.DBusException: org.freedesktop.DBus.Error.NoReply: 
> > > > > Message recipient disconnected from message bus without replying
> > > > > 
> > > > > Followed by a backtrace, the relevant part appears to be:
> > > > > File "/usr/lib/python3.5/site-packages/qui/tray/devices.py", line 22, 
> > > > > in 
> > > > >DOMAINS = qui.models.qubes.DomainManager()
> > > > > 
> > > > > Any advice would be appreciated, since with no icons, I'm also not 
> > > > > appearing to get notifications for devices and VM actions.
> > > > > 
> > > > > Best,
> > > > > Daniel
> > > > 
> > > > Interesting discovery: this problem arose as a result of setting 
> > > > qrexec_timeout on an arbitrary VM to a value larger than an INT32. So 
> > > > the moral of the story: Don't try to set qrexec_timeout too high!
> > > > 
> > > > Daniel
> > > 
> > > Hello,
> > > 
> > > I am experiencing the same problem with the final version of 4.0 but I 
> > > did not change a setting of qrexec_timeout. The device tray icon 
> > > disappeared suddenly.
> > > 
> > > I am getting tons of "GTK error" when trying to run manually via "python3 
> > > -mqui.tray.devices"?
> > > 
> > > So far I haven't been able to get the devices tray appear again but I can 
> > > attach devices via command line.
> > > 
> > > Anyone having the same problem?
> > 
> > no,  weird.  have you tried to use qubes-manager at all?
> 
> Do you mean the VM manager? If so, yes! It does work with a lot of bugs like 
> a lot of people reported already. I don't see all apps in the VM manager and 
> the lights indicating a working app do only appear or disappear when clicking 
> an app. Sometimes I forget an app is still running.
> VPN apps I created don't appear in the VM manager at all, so I do need to use 
> CLI.
> 
> Having a working devices tray icon would be nice, though.

ya hope they fix that issue soon.  What I do is keep hitting the green refresh 
icon on top to refresh the manager to see the current vm states.  For some 
reason it doesn't refresh on its own.   Weird that custom appvms you create 
don't appear in the manager.

Have you made alot of customizations in dom0?

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[qubes-users] Re: New installation of Qubes OS stopped booting for no reason?

On Thursday, April 19, 2018 at 2:05:44 PM UTC-4, bill...@gmail.com wrote:
> So, I had installed Qubes 4 on a triple boot laptop (Win 10, Netrunner linux, 
> Qubes OS).  It had installed fine, and I had booted up in Qubes three or four 
> times, played with the VMS, ran firefox, poked around a little, and was 
> happy.  Then I got busy with some other stuff and set it aside, and worked 
> mostly in Netrunner for my "real" work.
> 
> Today, I come back to it, and Qubes won't boot.  I get the following errors 
> on the boot screen:
> 
> Failed to load kernal modules
> 
> Kfd: kgd2kfd_probe failed
> 
> Reached target basic system
> 
> 
> 
>  dracut - initqueue[334]: Warning: dracut-initque time out - 
> starting timeout script
> 
> 
> 
> Could not boot
> /dev/mapper/qubes_dom0_root does not exist
> /dev/qubes_dome0/root does not exist 
> 
> and I'm dumped into the rescue prompt.
> 
> This has repeated three times.  I tried taking out my usb mouse (which has 
> caused problems in the past, though not this), but that didn't change 
> anything.
> 
> Is this some configuration thing, or did aliens from outer space corrupt my 
> partition with their evil laptop killer ray and I need to reinstall -- I 
> don't mind, since I'm just playing around with Qubes, but I'd rather fix it...
> 
> Thanks!
> 
> billo

Maybe one of the other os's did.  Maybe qubes dom0 updated its kernel and its 
no longer recognized by whatever grub you are using?

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Re: [qubes-users] Small Templates

On Wednesday, April 18, 2018 at 8:50:12 PM UTC-4, Drew White wrote:
> On Thursday, 19 April 2018 02:17:54 UTC+10, [ 799 ]  wrote:
> > Drew White  schrieb am Mi., 18. Apr. 2018, 02:10:
> > On Tuesday, 17 April 2018 22:22:35 UTC+10, awokd  wrote:
> > (...)
> > 
> > > fedora-minimal is pretty minimal!
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > it is minimal in what it thinks is minimal, but it is still not nice and 
> > small, or what I asked about "super small"
> > 
> > 
> > You could take a look what is installed on a Qubes fedora-minimal template 
> > using dnf list installed and then remove everything you don't want.
> > 
> > 
> > Further reading:
> > https://docs-old.fedoraproject.org/en-US/Fedora/25/html/System_Administrators_Guide/sec-Listing_Packages.html
> > 
> > 
> > Or - in case you have already a running version of your preferred 
> > super-minimal (I think the name "fedora-nano" or "fedora-core" would be 
> > great) - you check which packages are installed there and compare it to the 
> > fedora-minimal template, then you know which packages you need to look at.
> > Make sure not to remove important qubes packages.
> 
> Pretty much, remove anything and it removes the Qubes stuff.
> 
> 
> > 
> > 
> > Out of interest:
> > What do you thing is the benefit of running a minimal fedora minimal?
> > Is it because of storage/performance capacity or because you think that 
> > this will ensure additional security? 
> 
> I don't want an insecure system that crashes every 5 seconds, so I want one 
> hat has no SystemD. Until then, smaller template.

ya but the thing about Qubes is the software is considered insecure in the 
first place.   and if your system is crashing every 5 seconds thats super 
suspicious.  and beauty about Qubes is being able to quickly wipe and reinstall 
a vm or template.   the more super custom you go the more tedious that becomes.


as far as no systemD well thats gonna be super tough.  It seems you do alot of 
tough work setting up your Qubes but it seems qubes is designed to be default 
and universal in mind.   but its funny seeing other fsf guys on the forums who 
don't want secure boot but not mentioning how much worse all software is.   I 
mean I don't know what your reasons are for not trusting systemD,  but the same 
 fingers are in all the gui's prolly too.

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[qubes-users] Re: trouble with whonix-14-dvm

On Thursday, April 19, 2018 at 6:09:55 AM UTC-4, cooloutac wrote:
> On Wednesday, April 18, 2018 at 5:20:22 PM UTC-4, coinsh...@gmail.com wrote:
> > maybe this is a whonix issue. maybe this is a qubes issue. not sure. 
> > 
> > steps...
> > 
> > [user@dom0 ~]$ qvm-create --template debian-9 --label red custom-dvm
> > [user@dom0 ~]$ qvm-prefs custom-dvm template_for_dispvms True
> > [user@dom0 ~]$ qvm-features custom-dvm appmenus-dispvm 1
> > 
> > in my case custom-dvm=whonix-14-dvm...
> > 
> > start tor browser...
> > 
> > "Tor Browser is currently not installed.
> > (Folder /home/user/.tb/tor-browser does not exist.)
> > Start Tor Browser Downloader (by Whonix Developers)?"
> > 
> > use tor browser downloader by whonix? y
> > empty response
> > 
> > ...
> > 
> > create basic appvm from template as per step 1 above...
> > qvm-create --template whonix-14-ws --label red whonix-14-dvm
> > 
> > start tor browser...
> > 
> > "Tor Browser is currently not installed.
> > (Folder /home/user/.tb/tor-browser does not exist.)
> > Start Tor Browser Downloader (by Whonix Developers)?"
> > 
> > use tor browser downloader by whonix? y
> > 
> > error: tor has not been bootstrapped!
> > 
> > this is a lie. sys-whonix-14 is running and working. 
> > all whonix docs have been followed such as applying apparmor, disabling 
> > various things like whonix-check and editing the torrc and firewall files. 
> > 
> > any help, I am thankful!
> 
>   unless you want to install tor yourself.  you gotta install whonix 
> templates not debian 9.
> 
> https://www.qubes-os.org/doc/whonix/install/

heres how to make your own tor proxy. https://www.qubes-os.org/doc/torvm/

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[qubes-users] Re: R4.0 rc4: Devices and VM tray icons disappeared

On Thursday, April 19, 2018 at 6:19:45 AM UTC-4, Антон Чехов wrote:
> On Saturday, February 17, 2018 at 1:06:16 AM UTC+1, Daniel Moerner wrote:
> > On Friday, February 16, 2018 at 6:48:22 PM UTC-5, Daniel Moerner wrote:
> > > Hi all,
> > > 
> > > After a recent reboot, the devices and VM tray icons no longer are 
> > > appearing on boot in Xfce. I have no idea what might have caused this. 
> > > There were no dom0 updates in the meantime. If I try to manually run 
> > > them, e.g., python3 -mqui.tray.devices, I get the following:
> > > 
> > > ERROR:dbus.proxies.Introspect error on 
> > > org.qubes.DomainManager1:/org/qubes/DomainManager1: 
> > > dbus.exceptions.DBusException: org.freedesktop.DBus.Error.NoReply: 
> > > Message recipient disconnected from message bus without replying
> > > 
> > > Followed by a backtrace, the relevant part appears to be:
> > > File "/usr/lib/python3.5/site-packages/qui/tray/devices.py", line 22, in 
> > > 
> > >DOMAINS = qui.models.qubes.DomainManager()
> > > 
> > > Any advice would be appreciated, since with no icons, I'm also not 
> > > appearing to get notifications for devices and VM actions.
> > > 
> > > Best,
> > > Daniel
> > 
> > Interesting discovery: this problem arose as a result of setting 
> > qrexec_timeout on an arbitrary VM to a value larger than an INT32. So the 
> > moral of the story: Don't try to set qrexec_timeout too high!
> > 
> > Daniel
> 
> Hello,
> 
> I am experiencing the same problem with the final version of 4.0 but I did 
> not change a setting of qrexec_timeout. The device tray icon disappeared 
> suddenly.
> 
> I am getting tons of "GTK error" when trying to run manually via "python3 
> -mqui.tray.devices"?
> 
> So far I haven't been able to get the devices tray appear again but I can 
> attach devices via command line.
> 
> Anyone having the same problem?

no,  weird.  have you tried to use qubes-manager at all?

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Re: [qubes-users] Re: 4.0 not updating dom0 nor fedora?

On Thursday, April 19, 2018 at 6:10:53 AM UTC-4, Bernhard wrote:
> On 04/18/2018 03:58 PM, anon432 wrote:
> > I am getting the same error in dom0 and also getting "No New Updates" - 
> > which I know is not true.
> >
> > Does anyone have a link to a github issue where this has been filed?
> 
> https://github.com/QubesOS/qubes-issues/issues/3737

there was a dom0 update yesterday i think did you get it? 

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[qubes-users] Re: This really sucks....

On Wednesday, April 18, 2018 at 9:25:05 PM UTC-4, Drew White wrote:
> I also have a machine that I have just built that is the following..
> 
> MMCBLK is /boot and /
> 16 GB SDCard.
> Can be set as Read Only as it will not change (but r/w at the moment until I 
> know for sure.)
> 
> Log folder set on HDD.
> HDD is set as (technically) /var/lib/qubes
> 
> But I doubt that that will have any different effects than any other way that 
> I have things.

sorry for being confused.  but are you saying it fails to restore,  or just 
don't like the method it uses?

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Re: [qubes-users] minimum size for a qube image

On Thursday, April 19, 2018 at 4:00:55 AM UTC-4, awokd wrote:
> On Thu, April 19, 2018 5:45 am, Jan Hustak wrote:
> 
> >
> > I guess there's a cognitive aspect to it as well, not related to
> > security as such. I have over 2300 packages installed on my main Debian
> > notebook, many of them not needed anymore. Cleaning them out is a tedious
> > job I never get to. If I had a VM/filesystem with "only packages needed
> > for Project X", things would be more orderly. I don't need Qubes OS for
> > that, of course, but it's an issue I seek to address in addition to
> > security. Sorry if I'm straying off topic.
> 
> It's not off topic. I've said before I'd keep using Qubes even if it
> provided no additional security over any other Linux distributions (but it
> does a lot) merely for the convenience/flexibility it provides! In your
> case then, you might want a workflow something like:
> 
> 1- Clone one of the stock templates to create a base template with common
> packages
> 2- Clone as needed for project X, install specific packages
> 3- Make Project X AppVM based on the new template
> 4- Delete project specific VMs when done
> 
> If you can figure out a union of common packages (hopefully less than
> 2300!) then you could skip step #2 some of the time and base #3 on #1.

ya don't hvm is not needed less secure.  or if making a standalone hvm no 
reason to use template.   Unless using a special os I also believe there 
already is a one called debian-minimal or something like that somewhere in 
community repos.

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[qubes-users] Re: minimum size for a qube image

On Monday, April 16, 2018 at 4:50:08 PM UTC-4, Jan Hustak wrote:
> Hello,
> 
> I really like Qubes' isolation approach. I would also like to isolate 
> the programs I run from code they don't need. So I want to split not 
> just my data into separate qubes, but also the software that works with 
> said data.
> 
> One way to do this is to install required software under /usr/local in 
> each qube. That has the important drawback of ignoring the qube's 
> package manager and the consistent updates it provides.
> 
> Another option is to build my qubes as StandaloneVMs copied from a 
> minimalist template. The qubes have to be updated one by one but at 
> least it's still done using the package manager.
> 
> So I created a Debian template trimmed to about 2.5 GB. I identified my 
> task domains - there were about 10 - and planned to cut a 4GB qube for 
> each. This would eat up 40 GB from my 500 GB drive which I can live with.
> 
> However, The VM Manager insists on at least 10 GB for each qube. Giving 
> up 100 GB with 75 GB empty (i.e. 15 % of total disk space) is steep. So 
> my question is: how can I create smaller images for my qubes?
> 
> I'm also open to discussing the basic concept: is it worth trying to 
> keep, for example, Firefox and GIMP in separate qubes, or should I just 
> relax and use one fat TemplateVM with the union of all packages I need?
> 
> Any advice appreciated.
> 
> jh

I think its only maximum space.  only used when needed.   it is already really 
using only a little more then 4.5 gb each default template vm,  i think.  you 
can check in the vm.

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[qubes-users] Re: trouble with whonix-14-dvm

On Wednesday, April 18, 2018 at 5:20:22 PM UTC-4, coinsh...@gmail.com wrote:
> maybe this is a whonix issue. maybe this is a qubes issue. not sure. 
> 
> steps...
> 
> [user@dom0 ~]$ qvm-create --template debian-9 --label red custom-dvm
> [user@dom0 ~]$ qvm-prefs custom-dvm template_for_dispvms True
> [user@dom0 ~]$ qvm-features custom-dvm appmenus-dispvm 1
> 
> in my case custom-dvm=whonix-14-dvm...
> 
> start tor browser...
> 
> "Tor Browser is currently not installed.
> (Folder /home/user/.tb/tor-browser does not exist.)
> Start Tor Browser Downloader (by Whonix Developers)?"
> 
> use tor browser downloader by whonix? y
> empty response
> 
> ...
> 
> create basic appvm from template as per step 1 above...
> qvm-create --template whonix-14-ws --label red whonix-14-dvm
> 
> start tor browser...
> 
> "Tor Browser is currently not installed.
> (Folder /home/user/.tb/tor-browser does not exist.)
> Start Tor Browser Downloader (by Whonix Developers)?"
> 
> use tor browser downloader by whonix? y
> 
> error: tor has not been bootstrapped!
> 
> this is a lie. sys-whonix-14 is running and working. 
> all whonix docs have been followed such as applying apparmor, disabling 
> various things like whonix-check and editing the torrc and firewall files. 
> 
> any help, I am thankful!

  unless you want to install tor yourself.  you gotta install whonix templates 
not debian 9.

https://www.qubes-os.org/doc/whonix/install/

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Re: [qubes-users] Re: Cannot pass USB drive to Windows HVM