Re: [qubes-users] Ram Limit

[Drew White]

On Wednesday, 16 May 2018 13:02:19 UTC+10, awokd  wrote:
> On Tue, May 15, 2018 10:04 pm, taii...@gmx.com wrote:
> > On 05/15/2018 11:07 AM, Thomas Druilhe wrote:
> >
> >> Hi,
> >>
> >> We are using Qube-os 3.2 and sometimes we got a problem with RAM usage.
> > Corporate user?
> >> We set up minimum limit at 400Mo but sometimes RAM drop to 320 Mo
> >> causing crash of the application.
> >>
> >> How the amount of RAM can be under the limit fixed in the settings of
> >> the VM ?
> > Well you can have as much as you please via the pre-allocate option
> > disabling memory scaling.
> >
> > If you are using memory balancing the issue is probably not having
> > enough on the host thus you are memory starved.
> >
> > I suggest pre-allocation for critical applications VMs, such as if one
> > was using xen (not qubes ofc) for a domain controller, DNS, etc.
> 
> I think Thomas is saying he's setting a minimum of 400MB but sees the VM
> dropping to 320MB and crashing. Your solution of setting a fixed memory
> size and disabling memory balancing on the VM should also work in that
> case!

I have a minimum of 256 MB.
My NetVM and ProxyVM have 256 MB RAM assigned.

Hard assignment.
I generally have everything hard assigned if they are for low RAM usage.
High usage I set for 2/3 GB RAM.
The rest I have set as min 400 and max 4000.
I have never experienced the issue you are referring to.
Unless you are using Firefox or similar because that can happen because FF is 
badly programmed.
I would also recommend not using the Qubes Manager, as it is resource hungry.

I have Dom0 set at 2048 MB RAM.
If I use Qubes Manager I need to have an extra 1 GB of RAM available AT LEAST.

So I would recommend you look at your global settings and the setting of your 
computer too.

Setting manual sizes is good, but for a few, instead of 4000 MB, set it to 4 GB 
(4096 MB)
Try and always keep it to the right multiples.
This will help in many things.
1,2,4,8,16,32,64,128,256,512,... etc..
If you keep everything in multiples of 256 for RAM, then I find everything 
works smoothly with Dom0 using 2048 MB RAM.

I can have it as 1024, but then the virtual system has no turn around space in 
Dom0. So I would recommend 2048 MB RAM for Dom0 as a minimum. (Until a better, 
less resource hungry system is used for Dom0, like Slackware [personal opinion])

The Minimum Allocation for RAM is only the minimum for what you assign in the 
manager. Not the minimum that things will use or allocate to use.


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Re: [qubes-users] Move Firefox Bookmarks between AppVMs - Help with Script

[Drew White]

[799],

If it's only for FF you want it, why not have an FF sync server on your local?
I have built myself a local DNS guest with a lot of bells and whistles.

It allows me to perform sharing and more between guests. All only accessible 
from inside my PC.

ALL DNS requests are stored and filtered properly.
ALL blocked things get a local page that provides blocked details.

I can pretty much do what I want to.
So setting a similar thing up as  an FF account Sync server should not be too 
difficult, if that is what you are interested in?


On Monday, 7 May 2018 16:26:51 UTC+10, [ 799 ]  wrote:
> Hello Ivan,
> 
> sorry for top-posting, but as everything you mentioned is super interesting 
> and very helpful ... Thank you!
> 
> 
> The auto export bookmarks feature is nice, didn't know that and if 
> places.sqlite also includes the browser history I will not use the "copy 
> places.sqlite file"-approach, because one reason why I am using a disposable 
> AppVM is exactly because I don't want to have my history seen.
> 
> 
> So the only task is to qvm-copy the latest auto-bookmarks export file into 
> the right location on the dispvm.
> There is one problem (maybe):
> I need to check if a firefox profile folder exists in the disposable VM.
> Not sure if this is the case as each disposable VM is a "fresh" one.
> 
> 
> Thanks again for your scripting tips - this is why I love the Qubes Community 
> :-)
> 
> 
> [799]
> 

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Re: [qubes-users] questions - InterVM directory bind

[Drew White]

On Sunday, 22 April 2018 23:35:47 UTC+10, vic viq  wrote:
> On 18-04-22 05:26:35, trueriver wrote:
> > The page https://www.qubes-os.org/doc/qfilecopy/ decribes how to copy a 
> > file or directory to another domain. In the case of a directory the files 
> > can later be copied back, in which case they end up in a different 
> > directory than the original.
> > 
> > This has the advantage that both copies are available in the original host 
> > domain.
> > 
> > This has the disadvantage that copying may take some time, especially if 
> > there are a lot of files that were not actually changed.
> > 
> > I am wondering if there already exists the facility to bind a directory in 
> > one domain (the original domain) to one in another domain (the new domain). 
> > I envisage this working like mount --bind within a single machine. 
> 
> Random idea would be to create a file container, and either mount it
> locally with --loop, or (somehow...) use qvm-block to export the mount
> to another VM.

Not random at all. That is how I achieve it.
I mount one img file under multiple guests simultaneously.

So just the qvm-block will work.
If you want to get more in depth, use xl and set that up that way.
It can be more effective and speedy.


>  
> > This would have the advantage that edits made in the new domain would 
> > immediately be available in the original domain.
> > 
> > That would also be a security disadvantage as the attack surface now exists 
> > in both domains, but I envisage this being limited to the contents of the 
> > bound directory.
> > 
> > 1:
> > Has this idea been implemented already? If so pls post a link to some 
> > details.
> > 
> > 2:
> > If not, is there a way to copy back only the files that actually changed - 
> > like an inter domain rsync perhaps? If so, how would I do that?
> > 
> > This has the advantage of saving the redundant return copy, but still has 
> > the disadvantage of doing a forward copy on files that turn out to 
> > unnecessary.
> > 
> > 3:
> > Has the idea of an interVM bind been considered and rejected as inherently 
> > insecure?
> > 
> > 4:
> > Has this idea been considered and rejected as requiring more work than we 
> > want to do at the moment?

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[qubes-users] Re: QUBES 4.0 | Installation issue: [Dom0] Qubes OS Setup, Configuring TemplateVM fedora-26 freezed

[Drew White]

On Monday, 30 April 2018 17:10:37 UTC+10, john  wrote:
> On 04/29/18 00:23, lehrin.morey-NNA0JV9C9t/ytjvyw6y...@public.gmane.org 
> wrote:
> > I have been unable to install due to the same error. Installing on USB 
> > 500gb hard drive.
> > 
> 
> what do you mean by "same error", I think your just making it hard on 
> yourself, by using Tor to finish the install, if your not using an SSD 
> it *is very slow to do the final step  of creating the Templates, I 
> suggest almost just let it run overnight at that stage , esp if you 
> don't have an SSD,

When setting up the templates it should not take that long. they are already 
installed.
They are not saying it's setting up the guests like the sys-net and personal or 
banking. They are saying the actual template that takes about 30 seconds to 
configure because it's already installed.

I myself had mine take only 50 seconds to do the template configuration for 
Fedora. And that was not on an SSD.

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Re: [qubes-users] Re: Qubes 4 boot ISO

[Drew White]

On Friday, 4 May 2018 19:41:57 UTC+10, awokd  wrote:
> Did you see my suggestions in
> https://www.mail-archive.com/qubes-users@googlegroups.com/msg21745.html ?
> Based on the new info. above, also add these to the list of things to try:
> 
> - boot the DVD in legacy mode instead of UEFI
> - try using Refind- boot to Refind then use that to boot the Qubes install

Refind is for EFI based. I'm not using EFI.
I can't use EFI without disabling things that allow my PC to be secure.

I will give it a try if I can turn on UEFI booting at some point when I can 
find out how to disable the security that I have on the board at the moment, 
with the ability to turn it back on afterwards.

However I still want BIOS, not UEFI, so doing that will only be testing the 
boot, which it should not matter if I'm using BIOS or UEFI for booting if the 
ISO was correct.

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Re: [qubes-users] Re: Qubes 4 boot ISO

[Drew White]

On Saturday, 5 May 2018 16:34:11 UTC+10, [ 799 ]  wrote:
> Hello,
> 
> 
> 
> Drew White <drew@gmail.com> schrieb am Sa., 5. Mai 2018, 03:09:
> ()
> 
> I don't use UEFI because I want to remain in control of my PC, not let 
> Microsoft and others have control.
> 
> 
> 
> I had a discussion with a colleague and he couldn't tell what is the real 
> benefit running UEFI vs. legacy boot.
> As far as you run one Linux OS use disk encryption and use LVM to split your 
> hard drive in different sections, why should I use UEFI which seems to add 
> more trouble but no benefits.
> 
> 
> On the other hand:
> I haven't understand how others have control when we use UEFI.
> 
> 
> 
> From what I have read one of the "improvements" is:
> 
> 
> (...) The biggest benefit of UEFI is its security over BIOS. UEFI can allow 
> only authentic drivers and services to load at boot time, making sure that no 
> malware can be loaded at computer startup. (...)
> 
> 
> On the other side there has been evidence that UEFI will not protect you from 
> attacks:
> 
> 
> 
> (...) UEFI rootkits—malicious code that’s meant to hide other malware and its 
> activities—are perfect for cyberespionage or surveillance operations. The 
> 2015 data leak from Italian surveillance software maker Hacking Team revealed 
> that the company was offering a UEFI rootkit to its law enforcement and 
> government customers.
> Documents leaked recently by WikiLeaks about the U.S. CIA’s cybercapabilities 
> revealed that the agency purportedly has UEFI “implants” for Mac computers. 
> (...)
> As such I have more trust in Legacy Bios more precise Coreboot.
> 
> 
> [799]


[799], I agree with you completely.
Happy to know someone out there knows what I am on about.

Do you know if they have any decent replacement for the HDD UEFI instead of 
good BIOS yet? One that is secure for storage on the HDD?

Or should I store the UEFI on a separate drive to my OS and DATA drives? Is 
that possible? Would it work better?

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Re: [qubes-users] Re: Qubes 4 boot ISO

[Drew White]

On Friday, 4 May 2018 19:41:57 UTC+10, awokd  wrote:
> On Fri, May 4, 2018 1:57 am, Drew White wrote:
> > On Friday, 4 May 2018 09:19:19 UTC+10, john  wrote:
> 
> > I created a guest. I mounted the ISO to it. I booted it up and installed
> > Qubes 4.0. I even did it with the burned disk.
> 
> Thanks, that last item is new info.
Re: my second & third post.
How did you not get this information from my initial posts?
Just curious so that I know how I can improve my explanation to better allow 
people to understand.


> > Now I want to install it to my PC. So that it is no longer a guest but
> > the owner.
> >
> > As I said, it won't install to any HD that I try to install to.
> > It has that not found issue.
> 
> >> anyway mr. awokd  is the one to listen to  otherwise people will
> >> probably give up, but wish you luck
> 
> And thank you, Mr. John. :)
> 
> > As I already have done that I informed as to that it was having the issue
> > for no reason. Unless I have a bad download.
> 
> Did you see my suggestions in
> https://www.mail-archive.com/qubes-users@googlegroups.com/msg21745.html ?
> Based on the new info. above, also add these to the list of things to try:
> 
> - boot the DVD in legacy mode instead of UEFI
> - try using Refind- boot to Refind then use that to boot the Qubes install

I don't use UEFI because I want to remain in control of my PC, not let 
Microsoft and others have control.

What is "Refind"? (I will have to look it up.)

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[qubes-users] Re: Qubes 4 boot ISO

[Drew White]

On Friday, 4 May 2018 12:21:07 UTC+10, john  wrote:
> well what kind of computer are you installing to?
> 
> and you don't want to create a new clean installation media to troubleshoot?

Laptop. HP 8460p.

I created 2 in the first place, it worked in the guest without an HD. Attached 
an HD instead of a VHD and it didn't work.

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[qubes-users] Re: Qubes 4 boot ISO

[Drew White]

On Friday, 4 May 2018 09:19:19 UTC+10, john  wrote:
> On 05/02/18 14:25, Drew White wrote:
> > Is there no one that has had this issue and resolved it?
> > 
> I've read through all your posts, and I don't clearly even understand 
> your complaint.
> 
> Or what your trying to do...  what do you mean  by  you installed to "a 
> guest" and what  qubes 4.0  was up and running ,  and now  you want 
> to install it where ?  and it , what, won't install to  what  etc etc

A guest, a virtual machine, they are called guests because they live and run 
inside the main machine. 

I created a guest. I mounted the ISO to it. I booted it up and installed Qubes 
4.0. I even did it with the burned disk.

Now I want to install it to my PC. So that it is no longer a guest but the 
owner.

As I said, it won't install to any HD that I try to install to.
It has that not found issue.




> anyway mr. awokd  is the one to listen to  otherwise people will 
> probably give up, but wish you luck

I do listen to him, I listen to everyone and accept all information if it is on 
topic and of assistance to that.

As I already have done that I informed as to that it was having the issue for 
no reason. Unless I have a bad download.

As for your comment regarding the HDD, whether I am using an HDD or SSD doesn't 
matter, I'm just trying to install to test and make sure it is all working 
properly before I upgrade my SSD from 3.2 to 4.

So an SSD or HDD, whichever HD I use, it won't install and has that issue.

Which confuses me. Why does it work as a guest, but not when I put it to an HD?
VHD works, HD doesn't.

That is what is so confusing about all this.

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[qubes-users] Re: Qubes 4 boot ISO

[Drew White]

Is there no one that has had this issue and resolved it?

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Re: [qubes-users] Re: Qubes 4 boot ISO

[Drew White]

On Monday, 30 April 2018 21:10:51 UTC+10, cooloutac  wrote:
> On Sunday, April 29, 2018 at 8:11:28 PM UTC-4, Drew White wrote:
> > On Sunday, 29 April 2018 01:50:22 UTC+10, awokd  wrote:
> > > On Sat, April 28, 2018 2:24 am, Drew White wrote:
> > > > On Saturday, 28 April 2018 02:07:21 UTC+10, awokd  wrote:
> > > >
> > > >> On Fri, April 27, 2018 6:40 am, Drew White wrote:
> > > >>
> > > >>> Still not working no matter what I do.
> > > >>>
> > > >>>
> > > >>>
> > > >>> Does anyone have any possible resolution to resolve this please?
> > > >>>
> > > >>
> > > >> How are you making the boot device? If USB from Linux, a standard "cp
> > > >> qubes.iso /dev/xvdj" (where xvdj is your USB device) should work. You
> > > >> can also try switching to legacy boot mode.
> > > >
> > > > I burn it to DVD. It is an ISO after all.
> > > > I always use Legacy Boot mode.
> > > 
> > > I had trouble burning to DVD at first because the image is large enough to
> > > require dual-layer burner support. Ended up using Debian Stretch with
> > > default software and a newer drive before I got a good burn. If you're
> > > using some other tool, try Debian instead.
> > 
> > The Qubes 4 ISO fits on a normal DVD. So it's fine.
> > The thing is it worked and booted in a Guest once.
> > But wouldn't boot on the PC or using external HDD.
> > 
> > This is why I am unsure.
> > 
> > I have all the requirements filled, but it won't boot to it because of that 
> > issue.
> 
> Are you sure its fine?  You can't even download the iso to a default qube its 
> so big.4.7gb is the size of a normal dvd.  And thats the same space I 
> needed to download the iso sucessfully.  Thats cutting it pretty close, you 
> sure a bigger dvd wouldn't help?

100% sure.
I'm downloading to a Guest and I have all my ISOs stored on an external drive.
I know the ISO is fine because it booted on a local Guest, then I tried on 
another drive in the guest, but as soon as I went to another HD it started to 
fail and not work.

Therefore, I can only conclude that it is the actual Qubes installer since it 
worked only in that one exact scenario.

If you had read my posts, all of the first ones, you would have seen my tests 
there.

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Re: [qubes-users] Re: Qubes 4 boot ISO

[Drew White]

On Monday, 30 April 2018 15:18:57 UTC+10, @LeeteqXV  wrote:
> On Mon, Apr 30, 2018, at 02:13, Drew White wrote:
> > Thanks for the details, good to know for using USB. But it's an ISO, not 
> > a USB Image that I am using. As I stated I am using Legacy. 
> 
> You can burn ISO images to USB sticks, which effectively makes them behave 
> like a CD/DVD.
> Not sure If I get your meaning in your last comment, unless you did not know 
> you can use ISO files with USB sticks?
> 

You can, but I'm using a DVD, not a USB that takes the ISO and writes it to 
USB. Even if I did that I would still have the same issue if it isn't even 
booting from an ISO OR a DVD. There is a lot more than just burning it that is 
causing any issue. It's the ISO/DVD itself from Qubes that has an issue.

Nothing my end, just the Qubes ISO from Qubes.


> About not booting the external USB:
> 
> Ref. #3 in my list about some USBs (sticks, or external drives, no difference 
> here) which sometimes gets listed by the BIOS as Hard Drives, and always then 
> gets listed AFTER the current hard drive. In those cases one need to re-order 
> that list, so that the external USB is tried before the internal HDD.
> 
> + Also make sure that the USB partition in question actually has the Boot 
> flag after installation.
> (BIOS can not fix that, AFAIK, need to use a tool like fdisk, gparted, gnome 
> disks or the like.)
> 
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Re: [qubes-users] Re: Qubes 4 boot ISO

[Drew White]

On Saturday, 28 April 2018 15:49:23 UTC+10, @LeeteqXV  wrote:
> > > How are you making the boot device?
> 
> 1. Whenever there is a problem getting for example a USB stick to boot/behave 
> as a Read-Only boot device from an ISO file, I use either Unetbootin or the 
> Linux dd command line tool to make the USB stick into a bootable Read-Only 
> ISO device. That normally works.
> 
> 2. Sometimes the safest bet is also to use BIOS Legacy Mode (disable the BIOS 
> secure boot function + enable the BIOS CSM legacy mode).
> 
> 3. If an otherwise properly made USB stick still does not boot, there are 
> also some BIOS systems that oddly places the recognised USB stick "inside" 
> the list of bootable Hard Drives. Read: AS a Hard Drive, as if you now have 
> more than your normal 1+ HDDs...
> In those cases, you need to enter into the hard drive menu option, change the 
> order so that the USB stick is the first, and then go back and also place it 
> before the hard drive in the main Boot order menu (in these cases there are 2 
> places to do this, and you must place it first in both those lists...)
> 
> 4. Then there is the not-too-rare situation where a particular 
> system/computer is incompatible with a particular USB stick, so it does not 
> boot it even if another computer does. Change to another USB stick model/make 
> and try that one.
> 
> 5. And in some cases, it still fails even if all has been done properly, and 
> all pieces are technically ready, IF you exit the BIOS when saving the last 
> changes with the normal direct "exit-and-save-and-reboot" option. Sometimes 
> you actually have to then power off completely right after it has rebooted 
> (as long as the BIOS changes are actually saved), remove and re-insert the 
> USB stick and then power the computer back on. Strange, but that also happens.
> 
> (And add to any possible confusion that yet again some systems seems to alter 
> the boot order (or have forgotten your saved changes)  when you get back into 
> the BIOS after having physically removed the USB key, or tried to 
> boot/replace it with another USB key. Sometimes that is only an unsaved 
> suggestion that happens when you re-enter the BIOS. Your saved order might 
> still actually be in place as long as you boot from that particular USB stick 
> you used when saving the BIOS changes the last time.)
> 
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> Regards,
> Teqleez

Thanks for the details, good to know for using USB. But it's an ISO, not a USB 
Image that I am using. As I stated I am using Legacy. You should put the 
information you posted here somewhere that it relates to though. 

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Re: [qubes-users] Re: Qubes 4 boot ISO

[Drew White]

On Sunday, 29 April 2018 01:50:22 UTC+10, awokd  wrote:
> On Sat, April 28, 2018 2:24 am, Drew White wrote:
> > On Saturday, 28 April 2018 02:07:21 UTC+10, awokd  wrote:
> >
> >> On Fri, April 27, 2018 6:40 am, Drew White wrote:
> >>
> >>> Still not working no matter what I do.
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> Does anyone have any possible resolution to resolve this please?
> >>>
> >>
> >> How are you making the boot device? If USB from Linux, a standard "cp
> >> qubes.iso /dev/xvdj" (where xvdj is your USB device) should work. You
> >> can also try switching to legacy boot mode.
> >
> > I burn it to DVD. It is an ISO after all.
> > I always use Legacy Boot mode.
> 
> I had trouble burning to DVD at first because the image is large enough to
> require dual-layer burner support. Ended up using Debian Stretch with
> default software and a newer drive before I got a good burn. If you're
> using some other tool, try Debian instead.

The Qubes 4 ISO fits on a normal DVD. So it's fine.
The thing is it worked and booted in a Guest once.
But wouldn't boot on the PC or using external HDD.

This is why I am unsure.

I have all the requirements filled, but it won't boot to it because of that 
issue.

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Re: [qubes-users] Re: Qubes 4 boot ISO

[Drew White]

On Saturday, 28 April 2018 02:07:21 UTC+10, awokd  wrote:
> On Fri, April 27, 2018 6:40 am, Drew White wrote:
> > Still not working no matter what I do.
> >
> >
> > Does anyone have any possible resolution to resolve this please?
> 
> How are you making the boot device? If USB from Linux, a standard "cp
> qubes.iso /dev/xvdj" (where xvdj is your USB device) should work. You can
> also try switching to legacy boot mode.

I burn it to DVD. It is an ISO after all.
I always use Legacy Boot mode.

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[qubes-users] Re: Qubes 4 boot ISO

[Drew White]

Still not working no matter what I do.

Does anyone have any possible resolution to resolve this please?

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Re: [qubes-users] IMG sharing

[Drew White]

On Tuesday, 24 April 2018 15:28:40 UTC+10, Ivan Mitev  wrote:
> On 04/24/2018 08:14 AM, Drew White wrote:
> > Is it possible for every guest to share one virtual drive for cacheing and 
> > auto mounting to same location for file transfers?
> 
> It isn't possible unless you set up a clustered file system, which
> implies having in-band or out-of-band communication channels between
> guests. This breaks compartmentalization, which is Qubes' raison d'etre,
> so if you really need this you're better off ditching Qubes and go with
> plain kvm (or xen) VMs.
> 

I'm not talking about for all guests. and the channel would be one image file, 
read only.  Writable only by one guest that does the downloading securely and 
checks and writes the files.

One guest has cache and write permissions, nothing else does. Thus, secure. 
More secure than downloading the same thing 50 times.

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[qubes-users] Re: IMG sharing

[Drew White]

Is it possible in Q4?

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[qubes-users] IMG sharing

[Drew White]

Is it possible for every guest to share one virtual drive for cacheing and auto 
mounting to same location for file transfers?

i.e. One file always mounted to each guest and one reads while one writes. etc. 
no need to mount and unmount? And it can be multiple images on different 
locations at once?

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[qubes-users] Make not functioning, what am I missing?

[Drew White]

Hi folks,

I'm trying to make this, but it's not functioning. 

What am I missing please?

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DKMS make.log for evdi-1.2.65 for kernel 4.9.45-21.pvops.qubes.x86_64 (x86_64)
Tue Apr 24 23:31:57 AEST 2018
make KBUILD_VERBOSE=1 SUBDIRS=/var/lib/dkms/evdi/1.2.65/build 
SRCROOT=/var/lib/dkms/evdi/1.2.65/build CONFIG_MODULE_SIG= -C 
/lib/modules/4.9.45-21.pvops.qubes.x86_64/build modules
make[1]: Entering directory '/usr/src/kernels/4.9.45-21.pvops.qubes.x86_64'
test -e include/generated/autoconf.h -a -e include/config/auto.conf || (
\
echo >&2;   \
echo >&2 "  ERROR: Kernel configuration is invalid.";   \
echo >&2 " include/generated/autoconf.h or include/config/auto.conf are 
missing.";\
echo >&2 " Run 'make oldconfig && make prepare' on kernel src to fix 
it.";  \
echo >&2 ;  \
/bin/false)
mkdir -p /var/lib/dkms/evdi/1.2.65/build/.tmp_versions ; rm -f 
/var/lib/dkms/evdi/1.2.65/build/.tmp_versions/*
make -f ./scripts/Makefile.build obj=/var/lib/dkms/evdi/1.2.65/build
  gcc -Wp,-MD,/var/lib/dkms/evdi/1.2.65/build/.evdi_drv.o.d  -nostdinc -isystem 
/usr/lib/gcc/x86_64-redhat-linux/5.3.1/include -I./arch/x86/include 
-I./arch/x86/include/generated/uapi -I./arch/x86/include/generated  -I./include 
-I./arch/x86/include/uapi -I./include/uapi -I./include/generated/uapi -include 
./include/linux/kconfig.h -D__KERNEL__ -Wall -Wundef -Wstrict-prototypes 
-Wno-trigraphs -fno-strict-aliasing -fno-common 
-Werror-implicit-function-declaration -Wno-format-security -std=gnu89 -fno-PIE 
-mno-sse -mno-mmx -mno-sse2 -mno-3dnow -mno-avx -m64 -falign-jumps=1 
-falign-loops=1 -mno-80387 -mno-fp-ret-in-387 -mpreferred-stack-boundary=3 
-mskip-rax-setup -mtune=generic -mno-red-zone -mcmodel=kernel -funit-at-a-time 
-maccumulate-outgoing-args -DCONFIG_AS_CFI=1 -DCONFIG_AS_CFI_SIGNAL_FRAME=1 
-DCONFIG_AS_CFI_SECTIONS=1 -DCONFIG_AS_FXSAVEQ=1 -DCONFIG_AS_SSSE3=1 
-DCONFIG_AS_CRC32=1 -DCONFIG_AS_AVX=1 -DCONFIG_AS_AVX2=1 -DCONFIG_AS_AVX512=1 
-DCONFIG_AS_SHA1_NI=1 -DCONFIG_AS_SHA256_NI=1 -pipe -Wno-sign-compare 
-fno-asynchronous-unwind-tables -fno-delete-null-pointer-checks -O2 
--param=allow-store-data-races=0 -DCC_HAVE_ASM_GOTO 
-fplugin=./scripts/gcc-plugins/latent_entropy_plugin.so -DLATENT_ENTROPY_PLUGIN 
-Wframe-larger-than=2048 -fstack-protector-strong -Wno-unused-but-set-variable 
-fno-omit-frame-pointer -fno-optimize-sibling-calls 
-fno-var-tracking-assignments -pg -mfentry -DCC_USING_FENTRY 
-Wdeclaration-after-statement -Wno-pointer-sign -fno-strict-overflow 
-fconserve-stack -Werror=implicit-int -Werror=strict-prototypes 
-Werror=date-time -Werror=incompatible-pointer-types -Iinclude/drm  -DMODULE  
-DKBUILD_BASENAME='"evdi_drv"'  -DKBUILD_MODNAME='"evdi"' -c -o 
/var/lib/dkms/evdi/1.2.65/build/evdi_drv.o 
/var/lib/dkms/evdi/1.2.65/build/evdi_drv.c
  gcc -Wp,-MD,/var/lib/dkms/evdi/1.2.65/build/.evdi_modeset.o.d  -nostdinc 
-isystem /usr/lib/gcc/x86_64-redhat-linux/5.3.1/include -I./arch/x86/include 
-I./arch/x86/include/generated/uapi -I./arch/x86/include/generated  -I./include 
-I./arch/x86/include/uapi -I./include/uapi -I./include/generated/uapi -include 
./include/linux/kconfig.h -D__KERNEL__ -Wall -Wundef -Wstrict-prototypes 
-Wno-trigraphs -fno-strict-aliasing -fno-common 
-Werror-implicit-function-declaration -Wno-format-security -std=gnu89 -fno-PIE 
-mno-sse -mno-mmx -mno-sse2 -mno-3dnow -mno-avx -m64 -falign-jumps=1 
-falign-loops=1 -mno-80387 -mno-fp-ret-in-387 -mpreferred-stack-boundary=3 
-mskip-rax-setup -mtune=generic -mno-red-zone -mcmodel=kernel -funit-at-a-time 
-maccumulate-outgoing-args -DCONFIG_AS_CFI=1 -DCONFIG_AS_CFI_SIGNAL_FRAME=1 
-DCONFIG_AS_CFI_SECTIONS=1 -DCONFIG_AS_FXSAVEQ=1 -DCONFIG_AS_SSSE3=1 
-DCONFIG_AS_CRC32=1 -DCONFIG_AS_AVX=1 -DCONFIG_AS_AVX2=1 -DCONFIG_AS_AVX512=1 
-DCONFIG_AS_SHA1_NI=1 -DCONFIG_AS_SHA256_NI=1 -pipe -Wno-sign-compare 
-fno-asynchronous-unwind-tables -fno-delete-null-pointer-checks -O2 
--param=allow-store-data-races=0 -DCC_HAVE_ASM_GOTO 
-fplugin=./scripts/gcc-plugins/latent_entropy_plugin.so -DLATENT_ENTROPY_PLUGIN 
-Wframe-larger-than=2048 -fstack-protector-strong -Wno-unused-but-set-variable 
-fno-omit-frame-pointer -fno-optimize-sibling-calls 
-fno-var-tracking-assignments -pg -mfentry -DCC_USING_FENTRY 
-Wdeclaration-after-statement -Wno-pointer-sign -fno-strict-overflow 
-fconserve-stack -Werror=implicit-int -Werror=strict-prototypes 

Re: [qubes-users] Small Templates

[Drew White]

On Monday, 23 April 2018 15:23:04 UTC+10, Ivan Mitev  wrote:
> On 04/23/2018 07:32 AM, Drew White wrote:
> > On Saturday, 21 April 2018 11:56:04 UTC+10, Manuel Amador (Rudd-O)  wrote:
> >> I haven't had a system crash in months
> >> while using Qubes OS, and I haven't had a systemd-related crash in Y E A
> >> R S.  Literally YEARS since a systemd bug caused a kernel panic (because
> >> that's how a systemd crash looks like, it's an init-related panic).
> > 
> > That only means you don't do enough to push Qubes hard enough like I do.
> 
> FWIW I've been using Qubes *exclusively* for the past 2.5 years and I
> probably had less than half a dozen crashes over that period, which is
> consistent with what I had with plain Fedora before (and then the
> crashes would happen because of exotic stuff like undocking/docking the
> laptop while suspended, with many USB devices plugged and additional
> screens, so they are probably not related to Qubes).
 
Yeah, it isn't very Laptop-Docking friendly (yet). But my issues are mainly 
with a workstation. My Laptop doesn't do it because I shut it down every night 
because of docking issues with Qubes.

Normally Qubes runs fine. But so much drive space is used. That's why I wanted 
some small templates without the "crap" that just consumes resources. The 
minimal template still has a lot. 

So I was just hoping for a real minimal version of things. That was all this 
thread was about.

> Except the usual mail/web surfing/office stuff I transcode videos, use
> windows VMs with heavy CAD and 3d modeling software, or Fedora VMs with
> QGIS and huge data sets, and I never had a system crash because of high
> resource usage. Curious about you mean by "pushing hard", and if you
> tried the same usage pattern that you get crashes with on plain fedora.

I have 18 guests running most of the time these days on my workstation.
That includes the sys-net, sys-firewall, anon-gw, and many more.
They are always doing things and consuming RAM and CPU.
For windows I run XP through to 10. For testing purposes.
I have compilers running for compiling software.
I have browsers open running things from Debian and Fedora and Whonix.
I have 90% of my RAM used most of the time.
My CPU sits high usage, 75%+.

 
> Re- systemd: I never had a crash related to it - be it on my Qubes
> install or on the servers I administrate. With my experience as a
> sysadmin I can tell you that systemd is a reliable, well thought out
> collection of programs and thanks to it I don't have to write kludges to
> work around deficiencies in sysV anymore. It takes a bit of time to
> learn though, which is probably why people criticize it (leaving aside
> conspiracy theories).

I've had my system freeze,and I wonder why. 
I reboot and check my logs, and it's something that caused systemd to just stop 
working. and that was a bland install, and systemd stopped. everything runs 
under sysstemd, where it used to be everything was separate. so if systemd 
stops, everything stops. that is windows methodology. (That's when i lost 
interest in systemd and it has not changed.

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Re: [qubes-users] Small Templates

[Drew White]

On Monday, 23 April 2018 15:23:04 UTC+10, Ivan Mitev  wrote:
> On 04/23/2018 07:32 AM, Drew White wrote:
> > On Saturday, 21 April 2018 11:56:04 UTC+10, Manuel Amador (Rudd-O)  wrote:
> >> I haven't had a system crash in months
> >> while using Qubes OS, and I haven't had a systemd-related crash in Y E A
> >> R S.  Literally YEARS since a systemd bug caused a kernel panic (because
> >> that's how a systemd crash looks like, it's an init-related panic).
> > 
> > That only means you don't do enough to push Qubes hard enough like I do.
> 
> FWIW I've been using Qubes *exclusively* for the past 2.5 years and I
> probably had less than half a dozen crashes over that period, which is
> consistent with what I had with plain Fedora before (and then the
> crashes would happen because of exotic stuff like undocking/docking the
> laptop while suspended, with many USB devices plugged and additional
> screens, so they are probably not related to Qubes).
> 
> Except the usual mail/web surfing/office stuff I transcode videos, use
> windows VMs with heavy CAD and 3d modeling software, or Fedora VMs with
> QGIS and huge data sets, and I never had a system crash because of high
> resource usage. Curious about you mean by "pushing hard", and if you
> tried the same usage pattern that you get crashes with on plain fedora.
> 
> Re- systemd: I never had a crash related to it - be it on my Qubes
> install or on the servers I administrate. With my experience as a
> sysadmin I can tell you that systemd is a reliable, well thought out
> collection of programs and thanks to it I don't have to write kludges to
> work around deficiencies in sysV anymore. It takes a bit of time to
> learn though, which is probably why people criticize it (leaving aside
> conspiracy theories).

I just hate that systemd being put into linux makes linux like windows.
That is the issue that made me start to hate it in the first place.

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Re: [qubes-users] Small Templates

[Drew White]

On Saturday, 21 April 2018 11:56:04 UTC+10, Manuel Amador (Rudd-O)  wrote:
> On 2018-04-19 00:50, Drew White wrote:
> > I don't want an insecure system that crashes every 5 seconds, so I
> > want one hat has no SystemD. Until then, smaller template. 
> 
> They use systemd (learn
> to spell it, it isn't SystemD, that means a completely different thing
> related to an economic population in Southeast Asia).  Deal with reality
> or use something else.  

Take your own advice, be constructive not destructive. All you did was attack, 
all you had to do was politely correct my error from other peoples mis-spelling 
of it. All you EVER do is attack me.



> You, Drew, specifically you, always have complaints, but almost never
> ever do you have solutions.  Most of your blame-assigning is entirely
> fabricated and political.

I complain because I provide solutions and they are not taken.
All I get told is that they aren't an issue when they are.
Even when I give logs and proof I get told it isn't a bug even when it is.

So I complain, and I don't try to give evidence or help or anything until it is 
requested.

You should have left me blocked.

Now block me again and get the hell out of my life.

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Re: [qubes-users] Small Templates

[Drew White]

On Saturday, 21 April 2018 11:56:04 UTC+10, Manuel Amador (Rudd-O)  wrote:
> I haven't had a system crash in months
> while using Qubes OS, and I haven't had a systemd-related crash in Y E A
> R S.  Literally YEARS since a systemd bug caused a kernel panic (because
> that's how a systemd crash looks like, it's an init-related panic).

That only means you don't do enough to push Qubes hard enough like I do.

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[qubes-users] Re: Qubes 4 boot ISO

[Drew White]

Update:

Installing in Guest only works if it is not using an external drive as it's 
primary drive (most likely secondary too).

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[qubes-users] Re: Qubes 4 boot ISO

[Drew White]

Additional: I can boot it in a virtual under Qubes and do the install.

If I install onto HDD via Qubes, will it boot int he PC normally or have the 
error?

Any thoughts?

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[qubes-users] Qubes 4 boot ISO

[Drew White]

Hi folks,

I have just tried installing Qubes 4 on my Laptop.

It meets ALL of the REQUIREMENTS and then some, for installation.

However I can't even boot the ISO.

I get the "Failed to load ldlinux.c32" error.

Is this a normal occurance for some issue?
Or is there an issue with the ISO?

I have downloaded the ISO twice, and had the same issue.

Hope there is a solution to what is wrong with ISOLINUX in the ISO.

Sincerely,
Drew.

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Re: [qubes-users] Small Templates

[Drew White]

On Saturday, 21 April 2018 11:56:04 UTC+10, Manuel Amador (Rudd-O)  wrote:
> On 2018-04-19 00:50, Drew White wrote:
> > I don't want an insecure system that crashes every 5 seconds, so I
> > want one hat has no SystemD. Until then, smaller template. 
> 
> It pisses me off whenever you post because you always post destructive /
> nonconstructive nonsense such as this one post above this line (among
> many).  You're using Fedora / Debian templates.  They use systemd (learn
> to spell it, it isn't SystemD, that means a completely different thing
> related to an economic population in Southeast Asia).  Deal with reality
> or use something else.  And, quite frankly, I don't know what the fuck
> is wrong with your computer -- I haven't had a system crash in months
> while using Qubes OS, and I haven't had a systemd-related crash in Y E A
> R S.  Literally YEARS since a systemd bug caused a kernel panic (because
> that's how a systemd crash looks like, it's an init-related panic).
> 
> You, Drew, specifically you, always have complaints, but almost never
> ever do you have solutions.  Most of your blame-assigning is entirely
> fabricated and political.
> 
> So how about you start coding something that will replace the work
> others have done, and then post it as a pull request?  Maybe if you
> don't want to code, then you can plonk a good amount of cash for people
> to code what you want.  But I, sure as iron, do not want you to continue
> polluting and poisoning the environment with your useless complaints and
> non-suggestions.  Every time I open the mailing list, you're there,
> making useless comments or destructive quips.  I'm so, so turned off by
> your destructive participation.
> 
> Thank you in advance for your courtesy in either stopping your posting
> or contributing working code that (1) will be useful to others (2) will
> be accepted either in Qubes OS or upstream (3) will be less whiny and
> more constructive.
> 
> Enough!
> 
> -- 
> Rudd-O
> http://rudd-o.com/

1. Read what I say.
2. Understand what I say.
3. How about you reply constructively like I ask about things instead of just 
attack like you do.
4. systemd is always running, it monitors everything, you obviously know 
nothing about systemd because you say it is ONLY relating to init.
5. If others actually asked questions then they would get helpful answers.
6. I would contribute if it was Pascal instead of bloated Python, which I don't 
know enough about.
7. I am constructive, but people, like you, just don't read what I say the way 
I said it and mean it and so you take it the wrong way.
8. Nothing is wrong with any of my computers, there is something wrong with 
systemd.
8. I am building a non systemd version, but not knowing enough about python YET 
it is taking time, but I am putting in the time, since very few others in Qubes 
Forum here reply to most things. Or else they aren't coders.
9. Start reading Rudd-O, you always have had issues with me, and attacked me 
just because you wanted to. So go away and stop replying just to attack me.
10. Would be appreciated if you pull your head out of your arse, pull your head 
in, and just start replying normally.

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Re: [qubes-users] Small Templates

[Drew White]

On Thursday, 19 April 2018 20:36:36 UTC+10, cooloutac  wrote:
> ya but the thing about Qubes is the software is considered insecure in the 
> first place.   and if your system is crashing every 5 seconds thats super 
> suspicious.  and beauty about Qubes is being able to quickly wipe and 
> reinstall a vm or template.   the more super custom you go the more tedious 
> that becomes.

Exactly, but I still want less software so I have better software on there as I 
would build my own software to take over most of the functions.
I'm also replacing most of the python scripts too, because they are so 
cumbersome it's not funny.

It isn't crashing literally every 5 seconds, it's an exaggeration. Well, for 
most of my PCs, I did have one that crashed when starting EVERY TIME.




> as far as no systemD well thats gonna be super tough.  It seems you do alot 
> of tough work setting up your Qubes but it seems qubes is designed to be 
> default and universal in mind.   but its funny seeing other fsf guys on the 
> forums who don't want secure boot but not mentioning how much worse all 
> software is.   I mean I don't know what your reasons are for not trusting 
> systemD,  but the same  fingers are in all the gui's prolly too.

Yeah, SystemD is just insecure and super vulnerable. When SystemD crashes, the 
whole PC freezes. That's why init and sysv was so much better, because they 
started everything properly and separately. They did it the right way.

Well, we can only hope that people realise and thus start moving back away from 
SystemD in the near future.

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[qubes-users] Re: Qubes 4 ISO..

[Drew White]

On Thursday, 19 April 2018 18:35:12 UTC+10, Foppe de Haan  wrote:
> On Thursday, April 19, 2018 at 3:42:18 AM UTC+2, Drew White wrote:
> > Hi folks,
> > 
> > Is there anywhere I can find out what the Qubes 4 ISO contains to install?
> > Are there any minimal install versions?
> 
> Hi Drew,
> 
> basically the same elements as the r3.2 installer contained. No, there is no 
> minimal installer.

I just figured there may be someone that built Qubes using the minimal 
templates, and not the large templates, or similar. Without all the bloatware 
that Qubes has in the systems.

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Re: [qubes-users] Re: Cannot pass USB drive to Windows HVM

[Drew White]

On Thursday, 19 April 2018 07:33:43 UTC+10, Nico De Musso  wrote:
> If only i can find a way to upgrade Fedora 20 to Fedora 27 i would revert 
> back with Qubes 2 since in Windows HVM audio and usb is working.

Audio works fine for me in 3.2.
USB doesn't work in Qubes with Windows though.

Has not worked ever really. USB passthrough never functioned. I complained, it 
never got fixed. So don't expect it to get fixed anytime soon.

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[qubes-users] Qubes 4 ISO..

[Drew White]

Hi folks,

Is there anywhere I can find out what the Qubes 4 ISO contains to install?
Are there any minimal install versions?

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Re: [qubes-users] Win7 install hanging since updating Qubes Manager

[Drew White]

On Wednesday, 18 April 2018 21:15:46 UTC+10, Ivan Mitev  wrote:
> On 04/18/2018 03:23 AM, Drew White wrote:
> > Hi folks,
> > 
> > Ever since I updated the Qubes Manager I have not been able to install 
> > Windows 7.
> 
> Qubes Manager shouldn't have anything to do with Windows or installing
> VMs in general; maybe some other updates when through at the same time ?
 
I have identical system, only the manager isn't updated, and windows installs 
fine.


> What error message you do you get ?

No error.

> 
> > The instructions at "https://www.qubes-os.org/doc/hvm/; do not help because 
> > "qvm-features" does not exist as a function.
> 
> See this documentation pull request instead:
> 
> https://github.com/taradiddles/qubes-doc/blob/eec2893b2bf58206a6c18857f43eb854bc27af22/managing-os/windows/windows-vm.md

That isn't helping. None of that is my issue at all. When I migrate to 4, that  
will of great help. thanks!

> 
> 
> > What has happenned to Qubes? Why is it starting to fail after updating 
> > things? were they not tested properly?
> 
> probably too many things on qubes' dev plate with the 4.0 release !
> (also, windows isn't supported).

Yeah, they releasing 4 without fixing 1 or 2 or 3 first.


> 
> > 
> > Just asking.
> > 
> > Hope someone can help.
> > 
> > Sincerely,
> > D.
> >

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Re: [qubes-users] Small Templates

[Drew White]

On Thursday, 19 April 2018 02:17:54 UTC+10, [ 799 ]  wrote:
> Drew White <drew@gmail.com> schrieb am Mi., 18. Apr. 2018, 02:10:
> On Tuesday, 17 April 2018 22:22:35 UTC+10, awokd  wrote:
> (...)
> 
> > fedora-minimal is pretty minimal!
> 
> 
> 
> it is minimal in what it thinks is minimal, but it is still not nice and 
> small, or what I asked about "super small"
> 
> 
> You could take a look what is installed on a Qubes fedora-minimal template 
> using dnf list installed and then remove everything you don't want.
> 
> 
> Further reading:
> https://docs-old.fedoraproject.org/en-US/Fedora/25/html/System_Administrators_Guide/sec-Listing_Packages.html
> 
> 
> Or - in case you have already a running version of your preferred 
> super-minimal (I think the name "fedora-nano" or "fedora-core" would be 
> great) - you check which packages are installed there and compare it to the 
> fedora-minimal template, then you know which packages you need to look at.
> Make sure not to remove important qubes packages.

Pretty much, remove anything and it removes the Qubes stuff.


> 
> 
> Out of interest:
> What do you thing is the benefit of running a minimal fedora minimal?
> Is it because of storage/performance capacity or because you think that this 
> will ensure additional security? 

I don't want an insecure system that crashes every 5 seconds, so I want one hat 
has no SystemD. Until then, smaller template.

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[qubes-users] Re: This really sucks....

[Drew White]

I have my disk set up as the following...

sda1  /boot
sda2  /
sda3  /var/lib/qubes

I also have

sda1  /boot
sda2  /
sdb1  /var/lib/qubes


Thing is, I used to be able to restore them and all, BEFORE I updated the 
manager.

The only difference between 2 PCs is the version of the manager.


Why doesn't it restore to where I tell it to instead of trying to restore to 
the tmp directory AS WELL as the location I say?

The whole methodology of it is just unknown.
It does one of 5+ different things when it stuffs up.

So multiple storage pools or not, doesn't matter.

On another PC I have several storage areas, and I just use links from the 
/var/lib/qubes/*/{GUESTNAME} path to where the guests really are stored.

So just saying it's multiple storage pools is not really accurate as to the 
issue. There is something more in-depth than that. It could fail on a drive 
that has no partitions at all, and mine do at times.

There are also times when it expands the guests drives to 100% size instead of 
being thinly provisioned.

HVM, AppVM, HVMTemplate, HVMTemplate converted to VMTemplate, or anything, 
doesn't matter.

If you need more details, let me know.
There is A LOT that I can tell you about this one thing, restoring, that has 
issues that have not been resolved.


On Thursday, 19 April 2018 09:29:59 UTC+10, Pablo Di Noto  wrote:
> > This is completely unacceptable that you still have not resolved these bugs 
> > I mentioned in Qubes version 2. Please fix!
> 
> Quick question, were the VMs backed up from a Qubes install with multiple 
> storage pools, by chance?
> 
> I am about to create an issue about that as soon as I can grab proper logs. 
> It looks very similar to your problem, and the very specific nature of the 
> case can explain why it was never solved. Just a shot in the dark.
> 
> Cheers,
> ///Pablo
> 
> > 
> > 
> > Extracting data: 11.1 GiB to restore
> > ERROR: unable to extract files for 
> > /var/tmp/restore_4y7IsA/vm31/private.img.027, tar output: tar: 
> > vm31/private.img: Cannot write: No space left on device tar: Exiting with 
> > failure status due to previous errors 
> > Some errors occurred during data extraction, continuing anyway to restore 
> > at least some VMs
> > -> Restoring QubesHVm win7x64...
> > -> Done. Please install updates for all the restored templates.
> > Please unmount your backup volume and cancel the file selection dialog.
> > Finished with errors!
> > 
> > There was 18 GB on the dive where I was restoring to.
> > 1. Why isn't it restoring to where it's meant to restore?
> > 2. Why is it restoring to the operating system partition?
> > 3. Why doesn't it check space BEFORE it starts?
> > 4. If there isn't enough space why doesn't it restore to where it's told to?
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > Extracting data: 18.5 GiB to restore
> > Some errors occurred during data extraction, continuing anyway to restore 
> > at least some VMs
> > -> Restoring QubesTemplateHVm Win7x64...
> > ERROR: VM private image file doesn't exist: 
> > /var/lib/qubes/vm-templates/Win7x64/private.img
> > *** Skipping VM: Win7x64
> > -> Done. Please install updates for all the restored templates.
> > Please unmount your backup volume and cancel the file selection dialog.
> > Finished with errors!
> > 
> > private.img does exist in the archive/backup.
> > Why isn't it knowing that and restoring?
> > 
> > 
> > 

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[qubes-users] Shell Determine NIC and run rules on NetVM once machine started, not run on local guest.

[Drew White]

Shell Determine NIC and run rules on NetVM once machine started, not run on 
local guest.

Is it possible?

I want one VM.. It conencts to the NetVM..
All requests that are on specific ports targeting IP are to be redirected to it 
if it is running.
But every request it makes on that port go wherever they are meant to go.

How can I do this and let the guest tell the NetVM to run a script to determine 
the virtual interface that it is on and use that as the main interface for the 
iptables queries?

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[qubes-users] Win7 install hanging since updating Qubes Manager

[Drew White]

Hi folks,

Ever since I updated the Qubes Manager I have not been able to install Windows 
7.

The instructions at "https://www.qubes-os.org/doc/hvm/; do not help because 
"qvm-features" does not exist as a function.

What has happenned to Qubes? Why is it starting to fail after updating things? 
were they not tested properly?

Just asking.

Hope someone can help.

Sincerely,
D.

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Re: [qubes-users] Small Templates

[Drew White]

On Tuesday, 17 April 2018 22:22:35 UTC+10, awokd  wrote:
> On Tue, April 17, 2018 12:32 am, Drew White wrote:
> > Has anyone managed to work out a miniature template that works for Qubes
> > with all the additions?
> >
> > I'm just talking about super small versions.
> >
> >
> > Are there any versions that are nice and small?
> 
> fedora-minimal is pretty minimal!

it is minimal in what it thinks is minimal, but it is still not nice and small, 
or what I asked about "super small"

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[qubes-users] This really sucks....

[Drew White]

Can you please explain...

Multiple backups having issues restoring... 
I have 2 backups that are useless that I can't use.. Probably more.

This is completely unacceptable that you still have not resolved these bugs I 
mentioned in Qubes version 2. Please fix!


Extracting data: 11.1 GiB to restore
ERROR: unable to extract files for 
/var/tmp/restore_4y7IsA/vm31/private.img.027, tar output: tar: 
vm31/private.img: Cannot write: No space left on device tar: Exiting with 
failure status due to previous errors 
Some errors occurred during data extraction, continuing anyway to restore at 
least some VMs
-> Restoring QubesHVm win7x64...
-> Done. Please install updates for all the restored templates.
Please unmount your backup volume and cancel the file selection dialog.
Finished with errors!

There was 18 GB on the dive where I was restoring to.
1. Why isn't it restoring to where it's meant to restore?
2. Why is it restoring to the operating system partition?
3. Why doesn't it check space BEFORE it starts?
4. If there isn't enough space why doesn't it restore to where it's told to?



Extracting data: 18.5 GiB to restore
Some errors occurred during data extraction, continuing anyway to restore at 
least some VMs
-> Restoring QubesTemplateHVm Win7x64...
ERROR: VM private image file doesn't exist: 
/var/lib/qubes/vm-templates/Win7x64/private.img
*** Skipping VM: Win7x64
-> Done. Please install updates for all the restored templates.
Please unmount your backup volume and cancel the file selection dialog.
Finished with errors!

private.img does exist in the archive/backup.
Why isn't it knowing that and restoring?





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[qubes-users] Small Templates

[Drew White]

Has anyone managed to work out a miniature template that works for Qubes with 
all the additions?

I'm just talking about super small versions.

Are there any versions that are nice and small?

Has anyone got pfsense working properly with Qubes?

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[qubes-users] Re: CentOS Virtualization From Multiple .vmdk

[Drew White]

1. Create the HVM.
2. use CLI and browse to the directory.
3. Run:
  #  qemu-img convert {path/to/vmdk}CentOS\ 7.x\ 64-bit.vmdk root.img

This does work. I have done it many times.


On Wednesday, 11 April 2018 22:59:30 UTC+10, hype  wrote:
> Hello everyone, thank you for your help :)
> 
> I'm not having success creating a CentOS 7.6 (x86_64) VM from multiple .vmdk 
> files. I've attempted to follow the official Qubes HVM guide and other guides 
> on the Internet.
> 
> The files:
> 
> CentOS 7.x 64-bit-s001.vmdk
> CentOS 7.x 64-bit-s002.vmdk
> CentOS 7.x 64-bit-s003.vmdk
> CentOS 7.x 64-bit-s004.vmdk
> CentOS 7.x 64-bit-s005.vmdk
> CentOS 7.x 64-bit-s006.vmdk
> CentOS 7.x 64-bit-s007.vmdk
> CentOS 7.x 64-bit-s008.vmdk
> CentOS 7.x 64-bit-s009.vmdk
> CentOS 7.x 64-bit-s010.vmdk
> CentOS 7.x 64-bit-s011.vmdk
> CentOS 7.x 64-bit.nvram
> CentOS 7.x 64-bit.vmdk
> CentOS 7.x 64-bit.vmsd
> CentOS 7.x 64-bit.vmx
> CentOS 7.x 64-bit.vmxf
> 
> This runs CentOS with a GUI successfully under VirtualBox on Linux.
> 
> I have tried these sections of following guide:
> 
> https://www.qubes-os.org/doc/hvm/#converting-virtualbox-vm-to-hvm
> https://www.qubes-os.org/doc/hvm/#creating-an-hvm-domain
> 
> Here are steps I'm taking now to provide more information:
> 
> 
> 
> 
> # Convert vmdk to raw:
> qemu-img convert *.vmdk -O raw image.img
> 
> 
> 
> 
> # Qube Manager - Create new Qube
> # Name and label: centos
> # Type: Standalone qube not based on a template
> # Advanced: install system from device
> 
> 
> 
> 
> # Start CentOS
> qvm-start centos --cdrom=TEMP:/home/user/image.img
> 
> 
> 
> 
> # centos window opens with the following output:
> SeaBIOS (version ...)
> Machine UUID ...
> Booting from DVD/CD...
> Boot failed: Could not read from CDROM (code 0004)
> Booting from Hard Disk...
> Boot failed: not a bootable disk
> 
> Booting from Floppy...
> Bootfailed: could not read the boot disk
> 
> No bootable device.
> 
> 
> 
> 
> # Trying with hddisk as per:
> https://groups.google.com/d/msg/qubes-users/84IjinPx_ng/eWFv81S4tnsJ
> qvm-start centos --hddisk=TEMP:/home/user/image.img
> 
> 
> 
> 
> # F5 and Copying to Dom0 Suggestions also fail:
> https://groups.google.com/d/msg/qubes-users/84IjinPx_ng/mYYfbj6mSeIJ
> 
> Could something here be the problem?
> qemu-img convert *.vmdk -O raw image.img
> 
> I don't know what else to try...
> 
> Thanks for your help. :)

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Re: [qubes-users] Q4 Laptops...

[Drew White]

On Wednesday, 11 April 2018 16:55:48 UTC+10, tai...@gmx.com  wrote:
> The best you will get is a W520 or W530 where you can install coreboot
> (open hw init + nerfed ME) and have 32GB RAM.


FYI, I'm happy to see you went with Lenovo.
Best End User devices in general. (Or used to be)

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Re: [qubes-users] Q4 Laptops...

[Drew White]

On Wednesday, 11 April 2018 16:55:48 UTC+10, tai...@gmx.com  wrote:
> What you ask for is impossible, it simply isn't made - no one has a
> laptop with 64GB RAM and 12 threads let alone one that is old enough to
> not have UEFI.

I know that they exist, and I would have one if I had enough money. But they do 
exist. As for UEFI (Microsofts shit invention) if I can disable it or else just 
replace it with an actual REAL BIOS, then I will.


> The best you will get is a W520 or W530 where you can install coreboot
> (open hw init + nerfed ME) and have 32GB RAM.

Can the CPU be upgraded in those though?

 
> Purism is not libre - their "open source firmware" has hardware
> initiation done entirely via binary blobs and their ME is certainly not
> disabled as the kernel still runs along with any hypothetical backdoor.
> Their marketing is incredibly dishonest and I simply don't understand
> why they get so much air time.

lol, then the only way I can get around it is to disable it myself by editing 
the CPU firmware? Or is there something else that controls that? (I'll have to 
look into it.)

If their information is wrong, then I'll report them for false advertising. 
Thanks for letting me know.

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[qubes-users] Q4 Laptops...

[Drew White]

Hi folks,

Just curious if anyone knows a good laptop that can run Q4 that uses a BIOS? 
(No UEFI, or separate UEFI chip)

Laptop needs to be able to handle a lot of RAM (64Gb+ MAX), as well as have a 
pretty good CPU, 4+ threads, up to 12 at least (for upgrade).

Needs to have Nipple Mouse, not a trackpad. No Numeric Pad, so that the seating 
position is not off center to the screen. 15"+ screen.

Anyone have any suggestions?
They need to have good warranty on them, and QUALITY. Not cheap shitty things 
like the commercial end user HPs.

Just wondering what you here will suggest in the way of a Laptop. If I get a 
good suggestion within the next month, I'll buy it. :)
(Librem Laptops are not yet good enough, but are brilliant for security and 
customisability for that security.)

I'm looking for a long term evolution.
EVGA Laptops are only using UEFI now, so unless I can overwrite the BIOS in 
them, I won't want them. If you know that I can overwrite the BIOS in a Laptop 
that uses UEFI, please say so when suggesting a Laptop that is UEFI. 

Sincerely,
Drew.

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[qubes-users] Re: Qubes 4.0 Desktop file no longer working

[Drew White]

On Monday, 9 April 2018 13:52:34 UTC+10, Andrew Morgan  wrote:
> Hey there,
> 
> The upgrade to Qubes 4.0 was mostly painless, with a few things needed
> to be set up and worked-around here and there. I did do a backup from
> R3.2 and restore to R4.0.
> 
> The only issue I'm still facing is that none of my .desktop files
> (application menus under the XFCE menu) seem to work. When I click on,
> say, Personal - Terminal the Personal VM is started, but no terminal
> shows up. Doing the same thing results in nothing happening.
> 
> Running `qvm-sync-appmenus personal` results in no change. The .desktop
> files are in dom0 and personal, but for some reason the application
> still isn't launching. I have to manually launch everything from Qubes
> Manager -> Run command in VM -> gnome-terminal.
> 
> Is there a way I can debug this further?
> 
> Thanks,
> Andrew Morgan

Check the syntax for the launching.
Manually enter the command into a terminal and see what happens. 
Then run the command inside the guest and see if it works.

if none of that works, then it's the actual run command from Dom0 you will need 
to investigate.

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Re: [qubes-users] Re: desktop recommendations?

[Drew White]

On Saturday, 7 April 2018 22:26:18 UTC+10, brenda...@gmail.com  wrote:
> On Friday, April 6, 2018 at 9:27:11 PM UTC-4, Drew White wrote:
> > On Saturday, 7 April 2018 10:41:13 UTC+10, Thierry Laurion  wrote:
> > > You seem to have misunderstood. Ivy bridge and beyond on the Intel side 
> > > will provide you with SLAT capabilities, IOMMU and virtualization, which 
> > > is all that is required.  A x230 with 16gb ram and a i5 or i7 will 
> > > provide you akk the power needed if you have an sad drive.
> > 
> > I only went on what I was told. I have Ivy Bridge, and they don't have SLAT.
> 
> Which CPU in particular? Did you look it up at the following link?
>   https://ark.intel.com/Search/FeatureFilter?productType=processors

X5600 series.

> > At least, they don't SAY they do.
> 
> Which "they" are we talking about? If you mean Intel, they are on top of 
> keeping the ark pages updated with this information.

"they" as in the CPU(s).

Yes, the Intel ones. But if it's not turned on in the CPU, then it won't be 
available.



> I doubt it. But CPU-reporting tools might misreport information due to a bug, 
> or might report how the BIOS has configured the CPU rather than what the CPU 
> is capable of.

You were right about that, the version of the tool I was using was the wrong 
one, and didn't know about EPT/SLAT. So I'll try it again with that CPU when I 
get to that location next week.


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Re: [qubes-users] Easy way to convert AppVM to ProxyVM without editing?

[Drew White]

On Saturday, 7 April 2018 21:28:47 UTC+10, awokd  wrote:
> On Sat, April 7, 2018 12:25 am, Drew White wrote:
> > Is there an easy way to convert a guest without editing the XML and
> > restarting all the time?
> 
> In Qubes R4.0, shutdown the AppVM, then:
> 
> qvm-prefs  provides_network True

Well, I'll use Qubes 4 when I get hardware that Qubes 4 is compatible with.

So until then I just have to edit the XML file?

Does Qubes 4 still use Python for everything? Or has it been upgraded to 
something less resource hungry?

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Re: [qubes-users] Re: desktop recommendations?

[Drew White]

On Saturday, 7 April 2018 10:41:13 UTC+10, Thierry Laurion  wrote:
> You seem to have misunderstood. Ivy bridge and beyond on the Intel side will 
> provide you with SLAT capabilities, IOMMU and virtualization, which is all 
> that is required.  A x230 with 16gb ram and a i5 or i7 will provide you akk 
> the power needed if you have an sad drive.

I only went on what I was told. I have Ivy Bridge, and they don't have SLAT.
At least, they don't SAY they do.

Do they sometimes not say they have it even when they do?

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[qubes-users] Easy way to convert AppVM to ProxyVM without editing?

[Drew White]

Is there an easy way to convert a guest without editing the XML and restarting 
all the time?

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Re: [qubes-users] Re: desktop recommendations?

[Drew White]

On Thursday, 5 April 2018 17:52:09 UTC+10, tai...@gmx.com  wrote:
> On 04/04/2018 10:59 PM, Drew White wrote:
> 
> > I can't say anything about Qubes 4 because their restrictions on it require 
> > the latest CPUs and all (apparently) with certain technology that pre-2017 
> > CPUs don't have. (Or so I read).
> 2017? what? where did you read that? (I have a good idea where...a
> certain company perhaps?)
> 
> The first CPU with all the capabilities is circa 2011 with the last and
> best owner controlled x86_64 CPU's 2013. (AMD 43xx and 63xx)

No, Qubes 4 I was told would require certain functionality in the CPU. I even 
read it on the Qubes website. Part of the CPU vulnerability remedy for RAM 
access and the page sharing vulnerabilities.

Qubes 4 was supposed to not work on anything except CPUs that have that.

And that was some technology only implemented in CPUs that came out in late 
2016 early 2017 and beyond.

That is what I was told about Qubes 4, therefore it would not run on my older 
CPUs. This is what the makers of Qubes informed me of.



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Re: [qubes-users] POST not displaying for long enough or accepting keyboard commands due to no focus?

[Drew White]

On Thursday, 5 April 2018 19:35:48 UTC+10, awokd  wrote:
> Not sure if it's possible to F12 a guest like that, but do you have
> "debug" enabled for it and are trying it in that window?

It is possible if the window displays in enough time.

Don't need debug because it is not in SEAMLESS MODE, only then does it hide all 
and only accept from the Qubes Video Driver passthrough.

My statements holds true if it's one in debug mode or a standard HVM or an HVM 
Template. It's always showing the window too late, because it doesn't show the 
window and then start the VM, it starts the VM and THEN opens a window to 
display the output.

Know aay way to work around this?

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Re: [qubes-users] Fedora no longer starts, installed from RPM.

[Drew White]

On Saturday, 17 March 2018 00:58:59 UTC+11, Unman  wrote:
> Not supported means the Qubes team dont say it will work and wont put
> any effort in to making it work.
> Lots of people have had the "QREXEC not running" problem - usually
> caused by attached devices or incorrect upstream netvms.That's where I'd
> start looking, as well as checking logs, both for the qube and in dom0.

I don't mind, it's a Guest that should start since it's a guest.
Since it used to work in Qubes.

No up-stream vms to it.

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Re: [qubes-users] Restoring VM from backup...

[Drew White]

On Saturday, 17 March 2018 01:05:06 UTC+11, Unman  wrote:
> On Thu, Mar 15, 2018 at 07:36:52PM -0700, Drew White wrote:
> > Hi folks,
> > 
> > I'm restoring a guest from a backup.
> > It starts off and says it's restoring, then suddenly it stops and gives me 
> > this.
> > 
> > ---
> > Extracting data: 18.5 GiB to restore
> > Some errors occurred during data extraction, continuing anyway to restore 
> > at least some VMs
> > -> Restoring QubesTemplateHVm Win7x64...
> > ERROR: VM private image file doesn't exist: 
> > /var/lib/qubes/vm-templates/Win7x64/private.img
> > *** Skipping VM: Win7x64
> > -> Done. Please install updates for all the restored templates.
> > Please unmount your backup volume and cancel the file selection dialog.
> > Finished with errors!
> > ---
> > 
> > In the backup the file is there.
> > The file that it's saying doesn't exist doesn't exist until the restoration 
> > puts it there.
> > 
> > I have gotten this issue with all the backups I have tried to restore 
> > recently.
> > 
> > What is going on here please?
> > I wish to restore the guest rather than spending 5 days re-creating it.
> > 
> > It should be a simple matter of it working, but it's not. It's confusing 
> > why it isn't working.
> > 
> > 
> Can you make sure that the Win7x64 directory doesnt exist and try
> again?


After I clicked to restore, it created the directory, and extracted many parts, 
but then failed. The directory was never there until the restore created it, 
and it was meant to create the file, but it did not and thus could not find it 
to put the data in that it was extracting.

If I delete the directory while it's extracting it has a bigger hissyfit.

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[qubes-users] Re: HCL - Hewlett Packard EliteBook 8560p

[Drew White]

Did you ever manage to get it to pass through to Windows properly? I still have 
issues passing one USB to my Windows Guests. I have to go through a lot of 
trouble to get a USB device in there, and even then it doesn't always work.

Does the 8560p have a 3G module in it? If so, have you managed to get that 
working?

I have an 8460p, and that's the one thing that will not work, and I'm not sure 
why. Follow instructions, doesn't work...

I can't even pass that one USB device into a Windows Guest to get it working, 
Qubes 3.2 will not recognise it as a modem or networking device to use. Any 
thoughts?



On Tuesday, 3 April 2018 11:02:05 UTC+10, Brendon Green  wrote:
> I have been running Qubes R3.2 on this laptop for about a year now; with a 
> mixture of Fedora, Debian, and Windows VMs.  At first, all features and 
> hardware functionality worked very well; including S3 sleep, 
> docking/undocking, and driving up to 4 displays from the Radeon 6400M-series 
> GPU.  However; ever since the originally-shipped dom0 kernel (4.6, IIRC) was 
> discontinued, I have not been able to use display compositing without the 
> computer crashing upon resuming from sleep (I assume this is a quirk of using 
> a 4.9 kernel on the long-discontinued Fedora 23 dom0).
> 
> Intel vPro I/O virtualisation is enabled in BIOS and appears to be working 
> well.  USB 3.0 and 2.0 both work within VMs, and the three controller devices 
> can be assigned independently, as long as care is taken to allow permissive 
> reset (this took me a while to figure out when first experimenting with 
> isolating USB using VMs, and also when attempting to pass-through a USB 
> controller to Windows).

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Re: [qubes-users] Re: desktop recommendations?

[Drew White]

On Thursday, 5 April 2018 01:21:50 UTC+10, cooloutac  wrote:
> So I think what you are saying is amount of ram is way more important then 
> amount of cpu cores?   Which makes sense to me.

That is correct. 
The requirements of things, I use static RAM, not variable.
For Linux like Fedora 22+ they are resource hungry, so giving them 1024MB+ is 
best. Dom0 on Qubes 3.2 can run in 1024 MB RAM, IF you are not running the 
standard Qubes VM Manager.
If you want to run the normal Qubes VM Manager you will need at least 2Gb 
assigned. They normally have 4 Gb by default. But I decrease that to 1.5GB 
since I use their Manager OCCASIONALLY, and not having it running all the time.

I can't say anything about Qubes 4 because their restrictions on it require the 
latest CPUs and all (apparently) with certain technology that pre-2017 CPUs 
don't have. (Or so I read).

They may have fixed some things in Qubes 4, but they are still using Fedora.

Once they have finished patching things for 4, I will be finishing a 
non-SystemD version of Qubes. So that will require less RAM and run faster and 
be more stable and secure.

So take that all into consideration too.

Another thing, make sure it's good RAM. Test it to check how many page faults 
and errors you get. Even if it's 2166 hz RAM, if there are too many faults, it 
will be slow as a wet week.

So don't get cheap things.
Thing is, you only get what you pay for. So if you pay for low quality, you get 
low quality.

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Re: [qubes-users] Re: desktop recommendations?

[Drew White]

I personally use one PC and one laptop.
PC is a Dell T5500, 12 threads, 24 GB RAM. I can upgrade that to 24 threads and 
128 GB RAM, I run 14 Guests at a time often. I rarely use all the CPU. RAM runs 
out if I start too many.
X5680 with DDR3 RAM.

Laptop is an HP EliteBook 8460p, 4 threads and 8 Gb RAM, can upgrade to 8 
threads and 16 GB RAM. I run 4-10 Guests at a time.
i7-2620M, SODIMM DDR3

(Guests referring to not the always active NetVM or ProxyVM.)





On Wednesday, 4 April 2018 11:12:54 UTC+10, Ted Brenner  wrote:
> What do people recommend for CPU? With running a lot of VMs, it would seem 
> having a lot of cores could be helpful. Is that accurate? Or is that not 
> really necessary?

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[qubes-users] Re: macosx

[Drew White]

and will it run osx under it?

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[qubes-users] macosx

[Drew White]

hi folks,

if i was to get another mac laptop to run qubes, what one could run qubes 4?

sincerely,
D.

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[qubes-users] Restoring VM from backup...

[Drew White]

Hi folks,

I'm restoring a guest from a backup.
It starts off and says it's restoring, then suddenly it stops and gives me this.

---
Extracting data: 18.5 GiB to restore
Some errors occurred during data extraction, continuing anyway to restore at 
least some VMs
-> Restoring QubesTemplateHVm Win7x64...
ERROR: VM private image file doesn't exist: 
/var/lib/qubes/vm-templates/Win7x64/private.img
*** Skipping VM: Win7x64
-> Done. Please install updates for all the restored templates.
Please unmount your backup volume and cancel the file selection dialog.
Finished with errors!
---

In the backup the file is there.
The file that it's saying doesn't exist doesn't exist until the restoration 
puts it there.

I have gotten this issue with all the backups I have tried to restore recently.

What is going on here please?
I wish to restore the guest rather than spending 5 days re-creating it.

It should be a simple matter of it working, but it's not. It's confusing why it 
isn't working.


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Re: [qubes-users] Fedora no longer starts, installed from RPM.

[Drew White]

On Friday, 16 March 2018 11:04:31 UTC+11, Unman  wrote:
> On Thu, Mar 15, 2018 at 04:50:14PM -0700, Drew White wrote:
> > I installed my template for fedora 17 and 20, and neither of them will 
> > start.
> > I installed them from the RPMs provided.
> > 
> > Upon start it looks like it's booting then says "Error could not start VM 
> > F17: Cannot execute QREXEC daemon."
> > 
> > How can I get them running again?
> > 
> 
> Hello Drew,
> 
> Nice to see you again.
> 
> Fedora 17 and 20 are long past eol, and therefore no longer supported in
> Qubes.
> You *may* be able to get them running by building your own qubes
> packages , but I would think that you will have to mangle the code
> somewhat to do that. It's not impossible but you'll have to hack about
> in qubes-builder and the relevant package sources.
> 
> I suggest you use more up to date Fedora templates.
> 
> unman

Supported or not, they should still start.
They still use the same Qubes system.
Even if there is no QREXEC they should still start and then be able to have the 
console attached to update the QREXEC.

So support isn't an issue here.
Right now it's an issue of Qubes 3.2 and those templates not starting.

Is there anyone that is having a similar issue or else managed to resolve a 
similar issue here old templates aren't starting any more?

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[qubes-users] Fedora no longer starts, installed from RPM.

[Drew White]

I installed my template for fedora 17 and 20, and neither of them will start.
I installed them from the RPMs provided.

Upon start it looks like it's booting then says "Error could not start VM F17: 
Cannot execute QREXEC daemon."

How can I get them running again?

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Re: [qubes-users] VPN from a ProxyVM

[Drew White]

On Thursday, 15 March 2018 12:33:30 UTC+11, Chris Laprise  wrote:
> On 03/14/2018 08:47 PM, Drew White wrote:
> > On Wednesday, 14 March 2018 23:28:58 UTC+11, Chris Laprise  wrote:
> >> On 03/13/2018 09:53 PM, Drew White wrote:
> >>> On Wednesday, 14 March 2018 12:25:12 UTC+11, Chris Laprise  wrote:
> >>>> On 03/13/2018 08:20 PM, Drew White wrote:
> >>>>> On Wednesday, 14 March 2018 11:06:22 UTC+11, Chris Laprise  wrote:
> >>>>>> The current VPN doc is here:
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> https://www.qubes-os.org/doc/vpn/
> >>>>> 
> >>>>> Thanks for the reply Chris, but that is not what I was looking for as I 
> >>>>> was wanting to use pptp VPN connections (and similar), not a Qubes VPN.
> >>>>
> >>>> I think you mean "not an OpenVPN..."?
> >>>
> >>> I am guessing so, yes, thanks for clarifying.
> >>>
> >>>> FWIW, the resources at those links are meant to be adaptable for
> >>>> non-OpenVPN setups, and they don't impose any particular type of routing
> >>>> (other than forbidding access that most call 'leaks'). As for accessing
> >>>> the LAN directly through a VPN VM, there are simple ways to make an
> >>>> exception for it.
> >>>
> >>> That's what I don't get. All I want to do is have the VPN connect, 
> >>> nothing else. So that my AppVM can talk through it to the external.
> >>
> >> OK, this sounds like you want to connect to a remote LAN.
> > 
> > I thought that is what VPNs  are for?
> 
> They can be. Some configs are for remote LANs, others for connecting to 
> Internet.

It's all remote LAN, just different restrictions on them.

 
 
> > Well that is their primary intention, to connect from where you are to a 
> > remote network.
> > I should have clarified that in the first place due to many people these 
> > days connecting to remote networks as a 255.255.255.255 and only doing it 
> > to connect out to the internet for privacy and security.
> > 
> > I shall endeavor to mention that in the future if it ever arises again.
> > 
> >>
> >>>>>
> >>>>> I also want to have one where everything that is going to happen on the 
> >>>>> remote network is pushed through the VPN, and everything else remains 
> >>>>> using the local connection.
> >>>>>
> >>>>> So there are 2 ways I'm looking at having it work.
> >>>>>
> >>>>> But at first, I just want a standard PPTP connection.
> >>>>
> >>>> There are plenty of guides out there. But when searching for examples
> >>>> keep in mind that a Qubes proxyVM behaves much like a router (not a PC
> >>>> endpoint) so that may be the best type of guide to use.
> >>>
> >>> Exactly, and as a router it should connect a VPN.
> >>> I used to have it able to do it. So that's why I don't understand why it 
> >>> isn't working. Since I had it able to do it once before, ages ago, and 
> >>> nothing has changed since then, and now it isn't working. So it's odd. 
> >>> Thus I figured maybe something has changed.
> >>
> >> I want to say "Not much has changed in R3.2 networking", but the Linux
> >> distros in the templates have changed somewhat over the years. In any
> >> case, you'll need to review your configuration and maybe post setup
> >> steps to get specific troubleshooting advice.
> > 
> > I'm still using F23 for it. Perhaps there is something else inside the 
> > Qubes Networking that has an issue with it after updating for security.
> > 
> > I'll have to just go through settings and try and try and try. Just go from 
> > one settings to another and trying to connect after altering each setting.
> 
> I suggest moving your settings to F26 (i.e. change the template of your VM).

I have F20,21,23,24,26. Normal and Minimal.
Typically I have the minimal, then install what I want.
But since I can't remove the crap from the template, I have to alter the code 
in or disable about 60 things before I start, since there are things that are 
broken that Qubes developers said aren't.
 
 
 
> > What else, other than NetworkManager can be used?
> 
> F26 has pptp-setup package. It lets you use shell commands:
> http://pptpclient.sourceforge.net/

I have F26 and that did not resolve the issue.
At the moment I'm waiting for someone to get pfSense working

Re: [qubes-users] VPN from a ProxyVM

[Drew White]

On Thursday, 15 March 2018 01:07:53 UTC+11, Matty South  wrote:
> On Wednesday, March 14, 2018 at 7:28:58 AM UTC-5, Chris Laprise wrote:
> > On 03/13/2018 09:53 PM, Drew White wrote:
> > > On Wednesday, 14 March 2018 12:25:12 UTC+11, Chris Laprise  wrote:
> > >> On 03/13/2018 08:20 PM, Drew White wrote:
> > >>> On Wednesday, 14 March 2018 11:06:22 UTC+11, Chris Laprise  wrote:
> > >>>> The current VPN doc is here:
> > >>>>
> > >>>> https://www.qubes-os.org/doc/vpn/
> > >>>
> > >>> Thanks for the reply Chris, but that is not what I was looking for as I 
> > >>> was wanting to use pptp VPN connections (and similar), not a Qubes VPN.
> > >>
> > >> I think you mean "not an OpenVPN..."?
> > > 
> > > I am guessing so, yes, thanks for clarifying.
> > > 
> > >> FWIW, the resources at those links are meant to be adaptable for
> > >> non-OpenVPN setups, and they don't impose any particular type of routing
> > >> (other than forbidding access that most call 'leaks'). As for accessing
> > >> the LAN directly through a VPN VM, there are simple ways to make an
> > >> exception for it.
> > >   
> > > That's what I don't get. All I want to do is have the VPN connect, 
> > > nothing else. So that my AppVM can talk through it to the external.
> > 
> > OK, this sounds like you want to connect to a remote LAN.
> > 
> > 
> > >>>
> > >>> I also want to have one where everything that is going to happen on the 
> > >>> remote network is pushed through the VPN, and everything else remains 
> > >>> using the local connection.
> > >>>
> > >>> So there are 2 ways I'm looking at having it work.
> > >>>
> > >>> But at first, I just want a standard PPTP connection.
> > >>
> > >> There are plenty of guides out there. But when searching for examples
> > >> keep in mind that a Qubes proxyVM behaves much like a router (not a PC
> > >> endpoint) so that may be the best type of guide to use.
> > > 
> > > Exactly, and as a router it should connect a VPN.
> > > I used to have it able to do it. So that's why I don't understand why it 
> > > isn't working. Since I had it able to do it once before, ages ago, and 
> > > nothing has changed since then, and now it isn't working. So it's odd. 
> > > Thus I figured maybe something has changed.
> > 
> > I want to say "Not much has changed in R3.2 networking", but the Linux 
> > distros in the templates have changed somewhat over the years. In any 
> > case, you'll need to review your configuration and maybe post setup 
> > steps to get specific troubleshooting advice.
> > 
> > At this point, you could focus on fixing the existing configuration or 
> > consider a new setup. Unfortunately I haven't noticed other Qubes users 
> > posting about PPTP and haven't used it myself for a very long time (only 
> > used it on Windows). That may be because PPTP is considered insecure 
> > (one reason to switch to OpenVPN or protocol).
> > 
> > 
> > -- 
> > 
> > Chris Laprise, tas...@posteo.net
> > https://github.com/tasket
> > https://twitter.com/ttaskett
> > PGP: BEE2 20C5 356E 764A 73EB  4AB3 1DC4 D106 F07F 1886
> 
> I'll chime in here. You can ignore the firewall scripts and such in that VPN 
> doc if you don't care about DNS leaking and such (depends of course on your 
> attack model). For all intensive purposes, connecting to your VPN from a 
> proxy VM is the same as from an app VM.

What do you mean by "DNS leaking"?
Well, from a proxy I can connect multiple AppVMs, and the AppVMs connect to 
Proxy DNS which will be set to the network.

That is how I need it.

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Re: [qubes-users] VPN from a ProxyVM

[Drew White]

On Wednesday, 14 March 2018 23:28:58 UTC+11, Chris Laprise  wrote:
> On 03/13/2018 09:53 PM, Drew White wrote:
> > On Wednesday, 14 March 2018 12:25:12 UTC+11, Chris Laprise  wrote:
> >> On 03/13/2018 08:20 PM, Drew White wrote:
> >>> On Wednesday, 14 March 2018 11:06:22 UTC+11, Chris Laprise  wrote:
> >>>> The current VPN doc is here:
> >>>>
> >>>> https://www.qubes-os.org/doc/vpn/
> >>>
> >>> Thanks for the reply Chris, but that is not what I was looking for as I 
> >>> was wanting to use pptp VPN connections (and similar), not a Qubes VPN.
> >>
> >> I think you mean "not an OpenVPN..."?
> > 
> > I am guessing so, yes, thanks for clarifying.
> > 
> >> FWIW, the resources at those links are meant to be adaptable for
> >> non-OpenVPN setups, and they don't impose any particular type of routing
> >> (other than forbidding access that most call 'leaks'). As for accessing
> >> the LAN directly through a VPN VM, there are simple ways to make an
> >> exception for it.
> >   
> > That's what I don't get. All I want to do is have the VPN connect, nothing 
> > else. So that my AppVM can talk through it to the external.
> 
> OK, this sounds like you want to connect to a remote LAN.

I thought that is what VPNs  are for?
Well that is their primary intention, to connect from where you are to a remote 
network.
I should have clarified that in the first place due to many people these days 
connecting to remote networks as a 255.255.255.255 and only doing it to connect 
out to the internet for privacy and security.

I shall endeavor to mention that in the future if it ever arises again.

> 
> >>>
> >>> I also want to have one where everything that is going to happen on the 
> >>> remote network is pushed through the VPN, and everything else remains 
> >>> using the local connection.
> >>>
> >>> So there are 2 ways I'm looking at having it work.
> >>>
> >>> But at first, I just want a standard PPTP connection.
> >>
> >> There are plenty of guides out there. But when searching for examples
> >> keep in mind that a Qubes proxyVM behaves much like a router (not a PC
> >> endpoint) so that may be the best type of guide to use.
> > 
> > Exactly, and as a router it should connect a VPN.
> > I used to have it able to do it. So that's why I don't understand why it 
> > isn't working. Since I had it able to do it once before, ages ago, and 
> > nothing has changed since then, and now it isn't working. So it's odd. Thus 
> > I figured maybe something has changed.
> 
> I want to say "Not much has changed in R3.2 networking", but the Linux 
> distros in the templates have changed somewhat over the years. In any 
> case, you'll need to review your configuration and maybe post setup 
> steps to get specific troubleshooting advice.

I'm still using F23 for it. Perhaps there is something else inside the Qubes 
Networking that has an issue with it after updating for security.

I'll have to just go through settings and try and try and try. Just go from one 
settings to another and trying to connect after altering each setting.

 
> At this point, you could focus on fixing the existing configuration or 
> consider a new setup. Unfortunately I haven't noticed other Qubes users 
> posting about PPTP and haven't used it myself for a very long time (only 
> used it on Windows). That may be because PPTP is considered insecure 
> (one reason to switch to OpenVPN or protocol).

Well not many people use PPTP anymore, as it has some inherent insecurities in 
it.
Unfortunately some of the older hardware only has PPTP built into it.

(personal opinion below)
There is no good Qubes Template out there yet. 
They all use NetworkManager and SystemD, and that's just shit.
If they had a template that had no SystemD then things would work so much 
better and faster.

What else, other than NetworkManager can be used?

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Re: [qubes-users] VPN from a ProxyVM

[Drew White]

On Wednesday, 14 March 2018 12:25:12 UTC+11, Chris Laprise  wrote:
> On 03/13/2018 08:20 PM, Drew White wrote:
> > On Wednesday, 14 March 2018 11:06:22 UTC+11, Chris Laprise  wrote:
> >> The current VPN doc is here:
> >>
> >> https://www.qubes-os.org/doc/vpn/
> >   
> > Thanks for the reply Chris, but that is not what I was looking for as I was 
> > wanting to use pptp VPN connections (and similar), not a Qubes VPN.
> 
> I think you mean "not an OpenVPN..."?

I am guessing so, yes, thanks for clarifying.

> FWIW, the resources at those links are meant to be adaptable for 
> non-OpenVPN setups, and they don't impose any particular type of routing 
> (other than forbidding access that most call 'leaks'). As for accessing 
> the LAN directly through a VPN VM, there are simple ways to make an 
> exception for it.
 
That's what I don't get. All I want to do is have the VPN connect, nothing 
else. So that my AppVM can talk through it to the external.

> > 
> >> It is in need of an update (Qubes 4.0 and ease of use) and we're waiting
> >> for review and approval of new scripts and documentation.
> > 
> > I'm using Qubes 3.2, because that's the most recent version that is 
> > runnable.
> > 
> > The thing is, a VPN is created from inside the Guest to call outside, so 
> > there should be nothing needed to be altered other than allowing the proxy 
> > to have access to the outside world.
> > 
> > Once the VPN is created, that connection is used for everything that is not 
> > on the internal network.
> 
> It depends on the routes setup for the VPN, and this goes for PPTP, 
> OpenVPN, whatever. The default routing that for-pay VPN providers use is 
> "route everything upstream" but user has some control. If you 
> run/control the remote end also, then it all depends on what you want.

That is true, and that is something I can do. I have done many many things with 
the VMs before anyone even thought about doing it, because I used Qubes for 
Development purposes. So routing isn't too hard for it. If I have any isues 
with the Routing sides of it I'll be sure to ask.

> > 
> > I also want to have one where everything that is going to happen on the 
> > remote network is pushed through the VPN, and everything else remains using 
> > the local connection.
> > 
> > So there are 2 ways I'm looking at having it work.
> > 
> > But at first, I just want a standard PPTP connection.
> 
> There are plenty of guides out there. But when searching for examples 
> keep in mind that a Qubes proxyVM behaves much like a router (not a PC 
> endpoint) so that may be the best type of guide to use.

Exactly, and as a router it should connect a VPN.
I used to have it able to do it. So that's why I don't understand why it isn't 
working. Since I had it able to do it once before, ages ago, and nothing has 
changed since then, and now it isn't working. So it's odd. Thus I figured maybe 
something has changed.


Sincerely,
Drew.

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[qubes-users] Qubes 3.2 Templates Debian 8 Minimal?

[Drew White]

Is there such a thing for Qubes 3.2?

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Re: [qubes-users] VPN from a ProxyVM

[Drew White]

On Wednesday, 14 March 2018 11:06:22 UTC+11, Chris Laprise  wrote:
> The current VPN doc is here:
> 
> https://www.qubes-os.org/doc/vpn/
 
Thanks for the reply Chris, but that is not what I was looking for as I was 
wanting to use pptp VPN connections (and similar), not a Qubes VPN.


> It is in need of an update (Qubes 4.0 and ease of use) and we're waiting 
> for review and approval of new scripts and documentation.

I'm using Qubes 3.2, because that's the most recent version that is runnable.

The thing is, a VPN is created from inside the Guest to call outside, so there 
should be nothing needed to be altered other than allowing the proxy to have 
access to the outside world.

Once the VPN is created, that connection is used for everything that is not on 
the internal network.

I also want to have one where everything that is going to happen on the remote 
network is pushed through the VPN, and everything else remains using the local 
connection.

So there are 2 ways I'm looking at having it work.

But at first, I just want a standard PPTP connection. 

Sicnerely,
Drew.

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[qubes-users] VPN from a ProxyVM

[Drew White]

Hi folks,

I've searched and searched and I am unable to locate the information I require.

I'm trying to get a VPN to work from a ProxyVM.
It is failing with no reason why.

>From the NetVM I am able to connect the VPN.

What is it that I am doing wrong please?
There has to be something?

Doesn't matter if I use Debian or Fedora as the ProxyVM.

Thanks in advance.

Sincerely,
Drew.

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[qubes-users] Re: speed between usb-qube-vm and another app-vm

[Drew White]

On Monday, 11 December 2017 10:12:47 UTC+11, charly LEMMINKÄINEN  wrote:
> Hi,
> 
> I would like if we have any idea about what would be the speed between the 
> usb-qube appvm and another appvm if we attach an external hdd to this 
> appvm?Normally I should have 25MB but here I have only 2.5 MB...

You have a 25 MB file and it only transfers 2.5 MB of it?

What is the error?

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Re: [qubes-users] What happened to domain manager in 4?

[Drew White]

On Wednesday, 6 December 2017 23:34:21 UTC+11, Tom Zander  wrote:
> On Wednesday, 6 December 2017 13:02:43 CET Franz wrote:
> > Sorry for the obviously stupid question, but why is it harder to write it
> > in python rather than something else?
> 
> Not at all, its a good question.
> 
> It is harder to *have* to write it in python instead of any langauge any 
> developer may be  actually good at.
> 
> It limits the pool of available developers, available toolkits/libraries and 
> other such resources quite dramatically.
> -- 
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> Blog: https://zander.github.io
> Vlog: https://vimeo.com/channels/tomscryptochannel

Python is bloated and slow.

I wrote my own manager for 3.2 and it does more than what theirs did, and it 
does it cleaner and more efficiently with much less RAM and CPU utilisation.

They never fixed the issues I told them about in the Manager for 3.2.
They updated it and made it worse.

The things I recommended be fixed, they didn't do it right even when they tried 
to fix it. But I think that that may have been a limitation of Python rather 
than them.

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Re: [qubes-users] Windows Menu innaccessable because of Windows Tools.

[Drew White]

On Friday, 1 December 2017 20:13:20 UTC+11, Tom Zander  wrote:
> On Friday, 1 December 2017 06:03:56 CET Drew White wrote:
> > What can I do (logically) to resolve this issue?
> 
> Silly idea; make the bottom of both monitors be the same on your Linux side, 
> that may sidestep the issue.

Lol, that would be a silly idea. That only really resolves that issue for ONE 
guest, because then the things at the top of the screen on the monitor in 
Windows would be innaccessible.

The only FIX for it is for them to ackowledge multiple monitors in the Diver, 
rather than setting it to one screen that is hge.

 
> If nothing else, you can move the windows taskbar to the left side of your 
> screen and get your start menu button showing top-left.

On the left, then I would have NOTIFICATIONS hidden thatwould appear in the 
lower left OFF THE SCREEN.. So that's another issue with having it in the left.

> 
> To fix the actual bugs, have you opened an issue on the appropriate github 
> repo?

I don't use GIT hub. I get things from it that people don't care about and want 
to share to the world, Or the things that are open source. But I do not have an 
account.

> I understand the tool that does this is not open source, so I’m personally 
> not sure where you can report it or if you need to pay to get bugs like this 
> fixed.

The guy that started the initial building doesn't do it any more. And the tools 
themselves are not optimised or written properly. So they consume a lot of 
resources. Just meaning it could have been done better. Not syang he was bad or 
anything.

> Others that know may want to reply here as well.
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Re: [qubes-users] Boot Delay

[Drew White]

On Friday, 1 December 2017 20:19:16 UTC+11, Tom Zander  wrote:
> On Friday, 1 December 2017 07:38:06 CET Drew White wrote:
> > How can I set the Boot Delay so that I can see the POST screen before it
> > actually goes into an operating system please?
> 
> That is handled and configured in the bios of your machine.

Why would a Virtual BIOS be handled by my hardware BIOS?

> Most peope want to see as little as possible of the POST (to them its just 
> waiting).
 
I see it as that too at times, but I also want to have a delay at times, 
something that can just be set for a guest so that it is visible for a short 
time, instead of skipping past it all when I'm trying to get details of 
attachments and the things that are recognised and more.


> You may check your bios config. It may be possible, it may not, I can’t tell.

Where do I find the BIOS config for the BIOS settings for Qubes? 


> Bottom line, this has nothing to do with Qubes.

WQubes is XEN based, XEN handles the BIOS for the Guests, therefore Qubes is 
where the settings need to be set for it.

> 
> 
> > Also, is there an easier way to Add a BIOS to Qubes config rather than
> > running a Custom Config all the time and having to use that in my manager
> > that I built?
> 
> This line doesn’t parse for me. You may have picked the wrong names for 
> technical terms, maybe it works better if you can describe whats you see in 
> generic terms and what you want to happen in same.

I want an easy way.
I want to add a BIOS to Qubes too add to a Guest.
I don't want to have to change all these custom configs all the time then save 
and run the guest.
I have 87 different BIOSs on this machine.

In QEMU I can easily set what BIOS to use. I just add it to the startup command 
if I want to change it. Otherwise I just start.


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[qubes-users] Boot Delay

[Drew White]

Hi folks,

How can I set the Boot Delay so that I can see the POST screen before it 
actually goes into an operating system please?

Also, is there an easier way to Add a BIOS to Qubes config rather than running 
a Custom Config all the time and having to use that in my manager that I built?

It gets annoying when I have to edit the file manually to get it all to 
function correctly when I want to switch from this to that and the other and 
then back again doing tests and checks.

Sincerely,
Drew.

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[qubes-users] Qubes and Windows.

[Drew White]

Hi folks,

Is there any way to turn off the actual DISPLAY of the Guest WITHOUT actually 
getting rid of the video subsystem?

I removed the VGA from the config, and Windows barfed completely.

Is there an easy way to set up a virtual desktop in it that is unseen by any 
actual video system or the user of qubes?

Thanks in advance.

If you don't understand what I'm asking, just ask me some questions.
I'll reply to intelligent questions and suggestions only. Will report anything 
else.

Sincerely,
Drew.

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Re: [qubes-users] Re: qvm-usb not functioning

[Drew White]

On Tuesday, 21 November 2017 06:45:02 UTC+11, awokd  wrote:
> On Mon, November 20, 2017 02:32, Drew White wrote:
> > Hi folks, sys-usb still isn't functioning and allowing me to attach a
> > device.
> >
> > help please?
> 
> 
> Managed to find your thread from a couple months ago. What happened when
> you tried Foppe's suggestion of:
> 
> >Ran into this a couple of months ago. Rafael Susewind's fix:
> >start the template for sys-usb, or in dom0: edit
> >/usr/lib/qubes/udev-usb-add-change and add
> >
> >ID_SERIAL=`echo ${ID_SERIAL} | iconv -t ASCII//TRANSLIT`
> >
> >immediately before
> >
> >DESC="${ID_VENDOR_ID}:${ID_MODEL_ID} ${ID_SERIAL}"

when I added his resolution, no change.

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[qubes-users] Re: qvm-usb not functioning

[Drew White]

Hi folks, sys-usb still isn't functioning and allowing me to attach a device.

help please?

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[qubes-users] EFI system?

[Drew White]

Hi folks,

Just wondering if it's possible to boot an EFI Guest from Qubes 3.2 NOT on an 
EFI system?

Or is there something special that needs to be done to enable this?

Sincerely,
Drew.

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Re: [qubes-users] Re: Privacy in Qubes

[Drew White]

On Wednesday, 27 September 2017 01:45:09 UTC+10, Sven Semmler  wrote:
> -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE-
> Hash: SHA256
> 
> On 09/25/2017 09:10 PM, Drew White wrote:
> > Debian, Slackware, CentOS, Windows 3.11,95,98,2000,xp,7,8,10 (32
> > and 64 bit versions of available). I run OSX, ESXi, PFSense,
> > Android 4, 5, 6, 7, Qubes 1,2,3, XEN, PASOS, COFFEE, OS/2,
> 
> why? (just curious, maybe off topic for this list)
> 
> /Sven

I'm a developer. A coder. A Programmer. Whatever you want to use as terminology.
Not to mention I like my privacy online. So I confuse things by using many 
different O/S.

Many different means that if a site will not work in one O/S or Browser, I can 
easily change.

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[qubes-users] Re: Privacy in Qubes

[Drew White]

On Wednesday, 27 September 2017 10:04:58 UTC+10, Person  wrote:
> On Tuesday, September 19, 2017 at 11:02:50 AM UTC+8, Person wrote:
> > Let's say you have an online identity that you want to keep separate from 
> > your personal information. On Qubes, is it possible to keep i information 
> > completely separate without physical separation? I have considered using a 
> > separate OS virtualized in Qubes, but it may possibly leak the same device 
> > data. Multibooting with Qubes is also not the safest idea. 
> > 
> > What is the best way to keep online information from being traced back to 
> > you on Qubes?
> 
> Oh, okay. Can this issue can be minimized on Tor or other certain types of 
> browsers? Would a certain VPN work? (I normally distrust VPNs, and certain 
> ones don't work well with Tor, so I probably will not use VPNs.)


TOR merely anonomises you and your location, anything that can be seen from the 
browser and the interaction of the webpage to the server and vice-versa can 
still be seen and detected.

The User Agent doesn't give too much information, but it is advisable to alter 
it to be what you want to show what you want.

IF you want to see what else they can find out, have a look ingot the 
javascript BROWSER object.

VPNs are more for security.
If I'm on an insecure network with my laptop, I will VPN to my home network and 
thus have an encrypted connection out from the insecure network that I don't 
trust.

Also, I have VPN available so that if I need to connect to a server at my 
house, then I can VPN in and do what I need to without having other ports 
exposed to the outside world.

If you VPN, you can then TOR through the VPN. That will create another layer of 
security.
I have multiple locations where I can VPN to that I know and trust. Through one 
VPN I can TOR out to then create a VPN through that TOR tunnel to another 
location and TOR through that.

It hides my location and keeps data encrypted as best it can, but what they can 
find out about me is always going to be minimal, but determinable.

Thus I have multiple VMs for many things. One for one website, one for 
another.. That way, they can't connect the 2 using the browser data. Only by my 
external IP, which keeps changing because of TOR and such, unless I trust the 
site and connect directly to it.

This is why I block many advertising websites. I block and don't use FaceBook, 
I don't use Twitter or Instagram or any of those things.

I only use Google for Apps and even block most of Googles invasion stuff.

So I have many things that I am doing to protect myself.

In browsers (FF BASED), I run NoScript. I also use the Web Developer Toolbar 
and User Agent Switcher from Chris, and FireBug. It's a standard Setup for me.
It allows me to run only what locations I want scripts to run from.

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[qubes-users] Re: Privacy in Qubes

[Drew White]

On Wednesday, 27 September 2017 06:08:47 UTC+10, Person  wrote:
> About querying the browser directly: 
> How exactly do I change the browser information to prevent such queries? I 
> have Mozilla Firefox in sys-net.

Not possible. It's built into the browser. you would have to rewrite it.

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[qubes-users] Re: Privacy in Qubes

[Drew White]

On Saturday, 23 September 2017 11:39:31 UTC+10, Person  wrote:
> These are all very good tips, but to be honest, I'm not actually doing 
> anything too serious on Qubes so tracking is not that bad (but privacy is 
> still valuable). 
> 
> How would changing the web user agent fare? I tried it, and I believe it 
> works well, but I am not sure what happens to the tracking. Of course, adding 
> another OS in a Qubes VM would work well too, but it takes much more effort.

There is so much more that one would need to do to protect privacy.

Either you want privacy and do everything within your power, or else you don't.

User Agent, doesn't mean much these days, they can still query the browser 
directly, unless you change all that information too.
Tracking.. not everyone obeys the "do not track me" settings.

I have one guest for this forum. I have one guest for another thing, and so on.

I have multiple NetVMs and multiple ProxyVMs.

I run anywhere between 5 and 25 guests at any one time.
I run Debian, Slackware, CentOS, Windows 3.11,95,98,2000,xp,7,8,10 (32 and 64 
bit versions of available). I run OSX, ESXi, PFSense, Android 4, 5, 6, 7, Qubes 
1,2,3, XEN, PASOS, COFFEE, OS/2, Also many many tools that I run for attaching 
external HDDs and running tools on them.

I keep privacy between them, but I also try to keep my privacy online by 
running VPNs and TOR and VPN through TOR. All for different tasks and accesses 
and security requirements.

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[qubes-users] Re: qvm-usb not functioning

[Drew White]

More details
It now comes up with this...

[{username}@dom0 Desktop]$ qvm-usb
Invalid 1-1_4_3 device desc in VM 'dom0'
dom0:4-1.2  04f9:2015 Brother_QL-500_K6G113252
[{username}@dom0 Desktop]$ qvm-usb -a {guestname} dom0:4-1.2
Invalid 1-1_4_3 device desc in VM 'dom0'
ERROR: Device attach failed: 
[{username}@dom0 Desktop]$ 

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[qubes-users] Re: Privacy in Qubes

[Drew White]

On Tuesday, 19 September 2017 13:02:50 UTC+10, Person  wrote:
> Let's say you have an online identity that you want to keep separate from 
> your personal information. On Qubes, is it possible to keep i information 
> completely separate without physical separation? I have considered using a 
> separate OS virtualized in Qubes, but it may possibly leak the same device 
> data. Multibooting with Qubes is also not the safest idea. 
> 
> What is the best way to keep online information from being traced back to you 
> on Qubes?

that is near impossible for what I see you are asking the impossible.

Your PC is your PC.
Your identity is yours.
Tryign to keep them separate means don't even use the two identities from the 
same internet connection while you are the only one home.

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[qubes-users] Re: Connect to LAN while VPN is running?

[Drew White]

On Monday, 18 September 2017 01:56:44 UTC+10, Stumpy  wrote:
> I have noticed that I can't connect to my home server on my LAN when the 
> VPN vm is running, or at least can't connect to the LAN using AppVMs 
> that are using the VPN netvm.
> 
> Is there a way I can make an exception or something similar to make it 
> so that at least a few of my AppVMs can access the lan?

Easiest way..

2 NetVM's.

It is the way I work it.

sys-net - sys-firewall  - Some Guests
- sys-net-vpn1  - Some other Guests
- sys-net-vpn2  - Other Guests

Is that what you are wanting?

I have nm-applet and NetworkManager running in both, that way I have VPN from 
the VPN machines.

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[qubes-users] Re: qvm-usb not functioning

[Drew White]

On Tuesday, 19 September 2017 13:08:03 UTC+10, Marke50  wrote:
> On Monday, September 18, 2017 at 10:36:18 PM UTC-4, Drew White wrote:
> > On Friday, 15 September 2017 23:39:53 UTC+10, Marke50  wrote:
> > > There should be better instructions and documentation on this and working 
> > > with hardware within the vm's
> > 
> > I agree with you. But they do not really have decent documentation for 
> > Qubes anywhere.
> > 
> > You ahve to get the basics then experiment.
> 
> https://www.qubes-os.org/doc/usb/
> Scroll to the bottom until you find "How to attach USB drives"
> 
> I just tried this today and it worked well

Attaching as a BLOCK DEVICE works fine. it's not qvm-block that I am having 
issues with.

Thanks for trying.

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Re: [qubes-users] qvm-usb not functioning

[Drew White]

On Saturday, 16 September 2017 05:11:47 UTC+10, P R  wrote:
> Hello Drew,
Hi P R,


> Can you provide more information:
Yes I can.
 
> - which Qubes Version?
Qubes 3.2
Linux dom0 4.9.45-21.pvops.qubes.x86_64 #1 SMP Tue Aug 29 14:21:02 UTC 2017 
x86_64 x86_64 x86_64 GNU/Linux

> - Laptop / Mainboard Modell
I have a Dell T5500
and an HP EliteBook 8460p

> - Kind of USB VM (the stock USB VM?)
Whatever VM I use. Windows or Linux. Tools or not.

> - if you attach USB devices, do they appear in sys-usb?
I have no SYS USB, they appear in Qubes since sys-usb does not work in Qubes 
and is still flawed and doesn't work.

> - (...)
(...) ???

> - what kind of USB device are you trying to attach?
Printer, Drive Bay, Wireless Adaptor, 3G Dongle, USB-Ethernet, and more.

> - to which AppVM/Operating System are you attaching it to?
Whatever VM I use. Windows or Linux. Tools or not.

> - have you followed the docs at https://www.qubes-os.org/doc/usb/
I'm not using a USB Qube OR a sys-usb system, I am tryign to attach a USB 
device from Dom0 to a guest.


> more information first, answers will come second ;-)
Is that enough information?


> - PhR
- Drew

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[qubes-users] qvm-usb not functioning

[Drew White]

hi folks,

I try to do a qvm-usb attachment to pass a usb device through, but it doesn't 
let me, it tells me it fails but provides no description of error.

Is there a way to find out the errors and have them display when there is an 
error please?

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[qubes-users] Re: re-use qemu qcow2 image for qubes-os

[Drew White]

Try converting the disks to just be img files, not qcow.

This is my config file for Windows that works on all my PCs.

If they don't work when you convert them, then there is something else wrong.

Just as a test, that is all.

If they do work when converted, then that will tell me everything I need to 
know to resolve the issue.


On Saturday, 9 September 2017 02:30:53 UTC+10, peter.p...@gmail.com  wrote:
> On Friday, September 8, 2017 at 8:22:29 AM UTC+2, peter.p...@gmail.com wrote:
> > On Friday, September 8, 2017 at 4:36:56 AM UTC+2, Drew White wrote:
> > > Have you tried the Startup Wizard Fix under Windows 7 boot?
> > > 
> > > On Wednesday, 6 September 2017 21:17:41 UTC+10, peter.p...@gmail.com  
> > > wrote:
> > > > I try to use an existing win7 qemu qcow2 image with qubes os R3.2
> > > > 
> > > > The image does not boot. I tried various xml settings for the drive 
> > > > image inspired by 
> > > > 
> > > > https://wiki.libvirt.org/page/After_import_a_guest_from_an_existing_disk_image_using_virt-install,_the_guest_starting_stalls_with_%22No_boot_device%22
> > > > 
> > > > but no success. Converting to raw is not an option.
> > > > 
> > > > What can I do?
> > > > Thanks,
> > > > Peter.
> > 
> > If this is using 'cirrus' instead of 'xen' as video device in the config 
> > file, then yes.
> > Or is this wizard something else that i am not aware of?
> 
> 
> I tried playing around with the disk definition of root.img (which is my 
> qcow2 image) in the config file:
> 
> 
> gives "libxenlight does not support disk format qcow2 with disk driver phy"
> 
> 
> gives "libxenlight does not support disk driver qdisk"
> 
> 
> gives "libxenlight failed to create new domain 'win7'"
> also changing the target dev from xvda to hda like in
> https://github.com/libvirt/libvirt-php/blob/master/tests/data/example-qcow2-disk.xml
> does not help.
> 
> a plain
> 
> boots my win7 installation iso, but the 'repair' function does not detect the 
> root.img drive...
> 
> 
> Is there any way to use qcow2 images in qubes-os?

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[qubes-users] Re: re-use qemu qcow2 image for qubes-os

[Drew White]

I mean LITERALLY the Windows Startup Wizard that comes up when it tried to boot 
it.


On Friday, 8 September 2017 16:22:29 UTC+10, peter.p...@gmail.com  wrote:
> On Friday, September 8, 2017 at 4:36:56 AM UTC+2, Drew White wrote:
> > Have you tried the Startup Wizard Fix under Windows 7 boot?
> > 
> > On Wednesday, 6 September 2017 21:17:41 UTC+10, peter.p...@gmail.com  wrote:
> > > I try to use an existing win7 qemu qcow2 image with qubes os R3.2
> > > 
> > > The image does not boot. I tried various xml settings for the drive image 
> > > inspired by 
> > > 
> > > https://wiki.libvirt.org/page/After_import_a_guest_from_an_existing_disk_image_using_virt-install,_the_guest_starting_stalls_with_%22No_boot_device%22
> > > 
> > > but no success. Converting to raw is not an option.
> > > 
> > > What can I do?
> > > Thanks,
> > > Peter.
> 
> If this is using 'cirrus' instead of 'xen' as video device in the config 
> file, then yes.
> Or is this wizard something else that i am not aware of?

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[qubes-users] Re: re-use qemu qcow2 image for qubes-os

[Drew White]

Have you tried the Startup Wizard Fix under Windows 7 boot?

On Wednesday, 6 September 2017 21:17:41 UTC+10, peter.p...@gmail.com  wrote:
> I try to use an existing win7 qemu qcow2 image with qubes os R3.2
> 
> The image does not boot. I tried various xml settings for the drive image 
> inspired by 
> 
> https://wiki.libvirt.org/page/After_import_a_guest_from_an_existing_disk_image_using_virt-install,_the_guest_starting_stalls_with_%22No_boot_device%22
> 
> but no success. Converting to raw is not an option.
> 
> What can I do?
> Thanks,
> Peter.

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[qubes-users] Re: Internet Connection Is Slow

[Drew White]

Can you ping the router?
Can you ping your external IP?
Can you ping out from other Guests?

Do you have a Gateway or just the guest?

Have you run the monitoring tools on the gateway?

If you run 'ifconfig' do you have an IP?
If you run 'route', do you have any routes?




On Friday, 8 September 2017 07:29:46 UTC+10, Person  wrote:
> On Thursday, September 7, 2017 at 9:27:02 PM UTC+8, Marke50 wrote:
> > On Thursday, August 31, 2017 at 10:46:13 PM UTC-4, Person wrote:
> > > When I connect to a WiFi network, Qubes says I am connected, but websites 
> > > don't load at all. There is only a connecting sign for who knows how 
> > > long. I have no idea what to do because otherwise, Qubes is working fine.
> > 
> > When you say Qubes,  is this from a VM?  if so which NetVM is the VM 
> > associated with.
> 
> Well, I am using Qubes-Whonix, so this problem can be found in anon-whonix 
> and also the sys-net and another NetVM. It seems to apply to all of them, so 
> it can't be the problem of the VMs, the browsers, or the WiFi itself.
> 
> If I had to guess, there is a problem with the proxy (Firefox forces me to 
> choose "Manually enter a proxy" but I haven't entered any proxy yet).

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[qubes-users] Re: QWT

[Drew White]

On Wednesday, 6 September 2017 10:10:22 UTC+10, cez...@gmail.com  wrote:
> I never had/knew about this issue, sounds like an odd bug.
It is odd, because I never had this issue with earlier versions of the tools 
like I have on my PC. my PC uses way less resources for it, even in Seamless 
Mode.


> How powerful is your CPU? Percentages are arbitrary numbers without something 
> to compare the percentage with. For example if you got an Intel i5 4th 
> generation, or AMD A6, or something, it might be more easy to relate with the 
> percentages.

It's an i7. I'll have to get the full specs for you.
I have 2 threads with 2 GB RAM assigned to the Windows 7 Guest.
FYI, it is NOT running in Seamless Mode. That's just standard.


> If you got a powerful machine, and it uses that much percentages, it gives a 
> different view, compared to, say a weaker machine. 


> I might not be able to provide a fix, but the more information you provide, 
> the easier it gets for those who maybe can provide one.

What more information can I provide?
 
> There is also a chance that this is fixed in the upcoming Qubes 4.

Qubes 4 will NOT run on my hardware. Qubes 4 REQUIRES things that my hardware 
does NOT have.

My PC is a Hex Core (Hyper Threaded) Xeon with 24 GB RAM.
Not something I need to upgrade any time soon.

Is Qubes 4 still built around using Python as the middle-man ? Or has it been 
upgraded to something less resource intensive?

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[qubes-users] QWT

[Drew White]

Hi folks,

Is there a leak in the QWT QGA.EXE that means it jsut keeps consuming CPU 
resources?

It uses between 10% and 60% of the CPUs that I assign to the system, slowing 
the whole thing down.

It's not like I'm using 3D graphics or anything advanced. Just simple rendering 
things.

Also...

System Tray is not respected into Qubes itself, even under a sub-menu item in 
the system tray for that one guest.

Is there any way that this could be implemented please? If I minimise something 
to the system tray I can no longer access it. Task Bar is fine, but System Tray 
is not.

Have I not set something up that should be?
Is there something that is required for it to be done that I have not got 
installed?

What is it that you would require to be able to look into this issue?

Sincerely,
Drew.

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[qubes-users] Trim Windows Template?

[Drew White]

Hi folks,

What's the best way to trim a Windows template?

They have some pretty bloated space at times, and I was wondering if anyone has 
found a reliable way to trim the img files yet please?

Thanks in advance.

Sincerely,
Drew.

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[qubes-users] Re: Install software inside dom0

[Drew White]

On Tuesday, 22 August 2017 11:13:52 UTC+10, Gecko  wrote:
> Can I install something like GParted inside dom0? I don't know how to make 
> any of the VM's see all of my partitions. I can only see the entire disk 
> inside dom0 terminal.
> 
> How can I delete all other partitions and resize Qubes to use all the hd?

[root@dom0 ~]# qubes-dom0-update gparted
That will install what you want.

Run fdisk on your hdd then.

Or else you are using LVM's?
Or is it GPT? MBR?

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[qubes-users] Re: Grub Boot Screen cannot open Windows

[Drew White]

Easiest way is to manually edit the grub configuration files and just pass 
through from grub to windows.

There are many ways to do it depending on how your system is built and set up.

Google it, and there will be many ways to do it, or else you can inform us here 
for your setup, and the grub config is easy to do.

HDD Layout (Wether HDA HDB SDA SDB etc... And what the partition layout is 
completely. an 'fdisk -l' run as root will suffice.) 

Then I can easily tell you what you need to add in where to do it.


On Sunday, 20 August 2017 01:35:07 UTC+10, Person  wrote:
> I made an entry for Windows 7 on the Grub Boot Screen, but when I attempt to 
> open it, it shows the error "hd1 cannot get c/h/s values".
> 
> I've tried changing BIOS to UEFI mode, but it displays the same error. I've 
> also tried changing the device boot order. 
> 
> I've also tried to recover Windows through sudo mount /dev/sdC on both BIOS 
> and UEFI mode, but the terminal states that the device does not exist.
> 
> I know that Qubes is working fine, and that I did not overwrite the Windows 
> OS file (it still appears when I check the file system on Qubes).
> 
> I wish to be able to dual boot Windows 7 with Qubes 3.2 without losing any 
> programs installed on Windows 7 and without messing up Qubes. What do I do?

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[qubes-users] Re: Unable to uninstall Qubes

[Drew White]

On Tuesday, 22 August 2017 13:38:55 UTC+10, Person  wrote:
> I finally got access to the fdisk partitions, but I can't figure out how to 
> delete anything.
> What do I do?

write zero to the partitions from a LIVE DVD or RESCUE DVD and that will erase 
everything on those partitions. then delete and re-create, or else do whatever 
you want to do.

I have Qubes running under Qubes when I want to trial things.

So just use DD from Linux, whatever version you want to use.
#   dd if=/dev/zero of=/dev/sdXY bs=4096

Then fdisk to delete and create partitions, or just re-install Qubes.

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Re: [qubes-users] Win 7, Qubes 3.2, qubes-windows-tools 3.2.2-3 struggles

[Drew White]

On Saturday, 19 August 2017 03:14:40 UTC+10, Daniel Nelson  wrote:
> That seems to be a great question!  I have no idea what the answer is.  :-)  
> I can only say that I experienced the same problem symptoms that several 
> people before me did - that Windows setup hung at the initial boot screen 
> with glowing logo.  Following the same steps that helped many others also 
> helped me (changing to Cirrus driver).  All the details to the how are 
> summarised nicely here:  https://github.com/QubesOS/qubes-issues/issues/2488. 
>  I don't recall any mention of the why, though.

(I have never personally had this issue on ANY of the machines that I have used 
that has required this as a fix.)

I have had it lock once before because of other issues, which i just had to 
restart the pc to unlock the loops to get it working again.

> I guess I can also say that my system is a standard Intel Skylake Core M7 
> utilising the on-processor Intel HD graphics, and that my BIOS is a 
> combination of Coreboot and Tianocore, purely UEFI.  Just some fundamental 
> driver incompatibility maybe.

Perhaps.

> 
> 
> Incidentally, in case it might help anybody that comes after me and reads 
> this thread...
> 
> 
> I upgraded from the previous build of QWT to the latest (3.2.2-3) since the 
> previous version didn't work particularly better for me.
> Since then I was able to run Windows apps at least twice in seamless mode, no 
> debug!  It's pretty random, though.  It fails to display a window at all most 
> times, and the VM has to be killed.  I will try to find time to look deeper, 
> maybe increase the loglevel of some of the components and see more of what's 
> happening when it fails vs. when it succeeds.  Not sure on when I can find 
> the time for that, but I'll try to remember to report back if I find anything 
> that allows me to get it working consistently all the time.  For now I've 
> accepted running it always in debug mode for the stability.
> 

I am currently running the latest version. And I am having no issues on my 
laptop at this resolution.
1366x768
I also have my PC running at 1080p

My Dual Monitor Desktop is one monitor at 1920x1080 and the other at 1600x900
And that works fine.

But anything larger than that I have to run the system BEFORE i activate those 
screens and have the UI be notified of the size change to then do the resize 
after it's all working correctly and active.


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Re: [qubes-users] Windows 7 problems (R3.2)

[Drew White]

On Monday, 21 August 2017 00:17:25 UTC+10, Hugo Costa  wrote:
> Thank you for your answers.
> 
> 
> I've tried using an earlier version of the Windows tools (3.2.1-3) and the 
> problem persists. I'll have to try it in a new vm with no updates (this one 
> was fully updated, already came with SP1 out-of-the-ISO). My VM isn't a 
> template, I was a bit lazy.
> 
> 
Try installing as a template then. see if that helps?
SP1 has SP1, and is still missing about 1.* GB of updates.

If you update, it may help too.

Try tools version 3.0.2

I have the latest installed in my Win7 Standard Edition on my PC here, and it 
runs seamless with all the perks no issue. It's only on 30 day trial until I 
enter my key, only trial because i am currently just testing things out before 
i use my key again.


> I've also noticed a new error. Qubes is unable to start the qrexec-daemon.
> 

That is normal, you will need to use qvm-prefs to set the timeout to maybe 120 
seconds. Depends how long it takes for your win7 guest to boot. mine takes 12 
seconds but i still have it set to 120 seconds timeout incase sometimes i have 
overloaded win7 and it takes forever to boot, or has to do a scan or an update 
install.


> 
> Thanks!
> 
> 
> On 10 August 2017 at 18:38,   wrote:
> Hey,
> 
> 
> 
> Installed everything, had to use this method 
> https://github.com/QubesOS/qubes-issues/issues/2488, and now it "works".
> 
> 
> 
> If I start the VM in Seemless GUI, it goes on but doesn't open any 
> application (with and without debug mode on).
> 
> If I start the VM without Seemless GUI, it only goes on with debug mode on, 
> otherwise it'll follow the above pattern.
> 
> 
> 
> Also, 2nd problem, I've installed MS Office, I've copied the shortcuts to the 
> "All Programs" folder and I'm unable to find them in the "Applications" tab 
> in the VM config. Is there anything I can do? Also, other installed 
> programmes don't appear on the list, it's not just Office.
> 
> 
> 
> Thanks for your time!
> 
> 
> 
> Hugo
> 
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[qubes-users] Re: Hello, can someone please help me with my first qubes computer?

[Drew White]

On Friday, 18 August 2017 12:07:08 UTC+10, Malin Fylking  wrote:
> Was thinking about bugs / crashes because of the hardware.
> Do you think it's a good computer for Qubes OS?

It's functional.

As per all PC's, you will have crashes every now and again because they use 
SystemD instead of SysV.

Which is why I have been trying to get a Slackware version working properly, 
but still tough to convert everything to get it installed and working.

If you remember to kill off the QubesVM Manager every now and again, as well as 
pause your guests (Fedora based) when you are going AFK overnight or for a 
while, then that will lessen the amount of crashes you will have.

I use an HP 4650b with Qubes, and that functions fine with 8 GB RAM and a Quad 
Core i7. 

Since it had Win7 on it, you can install Win7 into a Guest, then register using 
your key. So that is one good thing.

I run Qubes on a lot of older hardware as well as some not so old hardware.

My PC that I run it on has 24 GB RAM and a hyperthreaded Hex Core Xeon.

And I have this thing loaded to bare. I run 15+ Guests most of the time.
That includes 1 NetVM and 2 ProxyVMs.

My PC only locks every now and again when I have something that is built into 
Qubes go haywire. 

Don't run FF under Fedora and leave it for the weekend. That will lock things 
up if you have too many things open.
Close the Qubes Manager When you are going away overnight even. My Qubes 
Manager, when I boot starts about 1 GB RAM. After a day, it's used 75% of the 
Dom0 RAM. When it hits 80% or more, it generally locks the PC and I have to 
force a restart by powering off, not shutting down cleanly.

So if you base your Laptop off the PC that I use and how hard I run it, you can 
get an idea of what you could do with your Laptop and the stability.


My 4thread laptop with 8 GB RAM. I can typically run 4-5 guests without hastle.
XEN is very good at management that way. NetVM and ProxyVM running with only 
512MB RAM, 1 thread max. so that leaves 7GB for everything Else. I have my Dom0 
set to 2 GB RAM. So that leaves 5 for Guests.
I customised my Laptop version for maximum efficiency since it's not the 
workhorse my Desktop is. It's just a portable version for general work.

My Desktop runs with 5 monitors at times. Generally I just run 2-3 depending on 
what I am doing and how much I am working on. I have it set for 7 virtual 
desktops.

I have my own person self-built Qubes Suite working and doing most of the 
things I need it to do.
Typically I have about 80 windows open at any one time on a slow day.

Hope that this information is useful for you.

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