Re: [qubes-users] Save virtual machine state?

2018-01-25 Thread Loren Rogers
 Original Message 
 On January 25, 2018 9:54 AM, Chris Laprise <tas...@posteo.net> wrote:

>On 01/24/2018 10:33 PM, Loren Rogers wrote:
>>I'm sure this has already been discussed, but is there a way to save the
>> state of a virtual machine, instead of shutting it down? I can't find
>> any info in the docs on what exactly pausing a VM does, but could this
>> be similar?
>>Thanks
>>
>
> Pausing is only in-memory stopping of the VM. Un-pausing makes the VM
> continue running.
>
> Qubes doesn't (yet) support saving to disk like hibernate. If this ever
> does become a feature it will probably be for use with HVMs in Qubes 4.x.
>
>
>
> Chris Laprise, tas...@posteo.net
>https://github.com/tasket
>https://twitter.com/ttaskett
> PGP: BEE2 20C5 356E 764A 73EB  4AB3 1DC4 D106 F07F 1886
>


Thanks Chris - good to know. 
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[qubes-users] Save virtual machine state?

2018-01-24 Thread Loren Rogers
I'm sure this has already been discussed, but is there a way to save the state 
of a virtual machine, instead of shutting it down? I can't find any info in the 
docs on what exactly pausing a VM does, but could this be similar?

Thanks

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[qubes-users] Two disposable VM options?

2017-02-22 Thread Loren Rogers
I've been thinking that it would be handy to have two options for a disposable 
VM: online and off. I know I can change the default VM, but I often think that 
it would be nice to have two options always available. (E.g. from the menus, 
have something like "open in disposable VM" and "open in offline disposable 
VM".)

Or, it would probably be more useful to have the option to choose the VM 
template for the disposable VM in a popup, much like qvm-move-to-vm. I'm not 
sure how technically difficult this would be, but as a user I would personally 
find this very handy.

Would this be useful to others?

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Re: [qubes-users] Disposable VMs

2017-02-04 Thread Loren Rogers
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Subject: Re: [qubes-users] Disposable VMs
Local Time: February 4, 2017 3:59 PM
UTC Time: February 4, 2017 8:59 PM
From: un...@thirdeyesecurity.org
To: john.david.r.smith <john.david.r.sm...@openmailbox.org>
Loren Rogers <lo...@lorentrogers.com>, qubes-users 
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On Sat, Feb 04, 2017 at 07:02:57PM +0100, john.david.r.smith wrote:
> On 04/02/17 18:42, Loren Rogers wrote:
> >Hi all,
> >
> >I'm confused about running disposable VMs - if I open a browser or file 
> >viewer, then want to open a terminal for the same VM, how could I do this? 
> >(E.g. I want to view an untrusted file, then make some edits.)
> right click the dispvm in the qubes manager.
> select run command.
> enter xterm or whatever you want to run
>
> or user (in dom0) qvm-run DISPVM_NAME xterm
> >
> >Is there a way to configure the default disposable VM in the Qubes menu? I 
> >see that disposable VMs can be configured for individual domains, but I 
> >can't find where the generic one is.
> >
> >Also, is it possible to specify a different template for disposable 
> >machines? Say I'm running something based on the default fedora-23, and I 
> >want to open a document from my work VM, which uses that template. But I 
> >want to open it with my fedora-23-custom template as a disposable VM. (E.g. 
> >running a video in VLC that has untrustworthy components.) Is this doable?
>
> currently you can only have one dispvm.
> if you want, you can set the template as default for dispvms 
> (qvm-create-default-dvm)
>
> -john

Loren,

You can't configure disposable VMs for individual qubes - what you can
do is change the netVM which will apply if you start a disposableVM from
that qube. The dispVM that will be started is determined by the default
dvm, and this is set by qvm-create-default-dvm.

As John said, you can only have one default dvm, but it's trivial to
work around this with a small script. It's possible to do this because
qvm-create-default-dvm does NOT remove the files for old dvms. You can
see this if you generate a new default-dvm, and then look in
/var/lib/qubes/appvms.
So if you generate a number of different dvms based on different
templates, it's simple to switch between them before launching a new
dispVM. The launch time isn't noticeably different from starting up a
new dispVM, and voila - multiple template disposable VMs on the cheap.

I do this without any apparent ill effects, but it certainly isn't part
of the canon.

unman

Very interesting - thanks for the info on how it's done. I'm glad I wasn't just 
missing something obvious!

Loren

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[qubes-users] Disposable VMs

2017-02-04 Thread Loren Rogers
Hi all,

I'm confused about running disposable VMs - if I open a browser or file viewer, 
then want to open a terminal for the same VM, how could I do this? (E.g. I want 
to view an untrusted file, then make some edits.)

Is there a way to configure the default disposable VM in the Qubes menu? I see 
that disposable VMs can be configured for individual domains, but I can't find 
where the generic one is.

Also, is it possible to specify a different template for disposable machines? 
Say I'm running something based on the default fedora-23, and I want to open a 
document from my work VM, which uses that template. But I want to open it with 
my fedora-23-custom template as a disposable VM. (E.g. running a video in VLC 
that has untrustworthy components.) Is this doable?


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[qubes-users] HCL - Asus G750JW

2017-02-02 Thread Loren Rogers
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To: qubes-users 

Hi all,

I've attached a hardware report for an Asus G750JW. I can say that Qubes 
appears to run just fine overall, but with a few limitations. The most 
important is the wifi -- the Broadcom unit installed isn't supported, so no 
wifi out of the box. Somewhat annoying, but workable, is the monitor - the 
display brightness doesn't work, so it's stuck at 100%. This is a known issue 
with the kernel, and may be fixed in future releases. Could be worse, but still 
annoying. Also, the keyboard functions don't work out of the box. Things like 
the keyboard backlight brightness, wireless on/off, enable/disable touchpad, 
all don't work. However, the volume buttons do work, along with the monitor-off 
button. I didn't really try any of the other functions or the webcam/mic.


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[qubes-users] HCL - Lenovo Thinkpad X201T

2017-02-02 Thread Loren Rogers
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To: qubes-users 

Figured I'd send along a report for my Thinkpad as well. (Attached.) Everything 
seems to be working fine with this setup, but it does tend to overheat 
occasionally. Pretty annoying, but for everyday workloads it seems to be fine.

Loren


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[qubes-users] Lenovo X201t Thinkpad Report

2017-01-30 Thread Loren Rogers
Figured I'd send along a report for my Thinkpad as well. (Attached.) Everything 
seems to be working fine with this setup, but it does tend to overheat 
occasionally. Pretty annoying, but for everyday workloads it seems to be fine.

Loren


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[qubes-users] Hardware report

2017-01-30 Thread Loren Rogers
Hi all,

I've attached a hardware report for an Asus G750JW. I can say that Qubes 
appears to run just fine overall, but with a few limitations. The most 
important is the wifi -- the Broadcom unit installed isn't supported, so no 
wifi out of the box. Somewhat annoying, but workable, is the monitor - the 
display brightness doesn't work, so it's stuck at 100%. This is a known issue 
with the kernel, and may be fixed in future releases. Could be worse, but still 
annoying. Also, the keyboard functions don't work out of the box. Things like 
the keyboard backlight brightness, wireless on/off, enable/disable touchpad, 
all don't work. However, the volume buttons do work, along with the monitor-off 
button. I didn't really try any of the other functions or the webcam/mic.


Loren

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[qubes-users] Re: Redshift in dom0?

2017-01-24 Thread Loren Rogers
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Subject: Re: Redshift in dom0?
Local Time: January 23, 2017 10:22 AM
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On Monday, January 23, 2017 at 3:37:23 PM UTC+1, Loren Rogers wrote:
> What's the best way to install something like Redshift in dom0?

sudo qubes-dom0-update redshift

Then you can do: redshift -l lat:lon &
Then just to quickly test, maybe adjust the system time, and see how it turns 
down the intensity of the screen.
Or a command-line switch to redshift.
Some say that redshift is too "red" in colour, you may want to experiment with 
the settings.

Please let's know how it turns out!

Thanks for the info - this worked for me! I managed to get it to start at login 
by creating a new item in System Tools > Session and Startup > Application 
Autostart.

How secure is this considered? I assume that I'm trusting Redshift 100%, 
because it's running in dom0. Is there any way to have this run in a 
non-trusted way? (Redshift is pretty OK for now, but there may be other 
services like this that I'd like to add later.)

Thanks again!
Loren

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[qubes-users] Redshift in dom0?

2017-01-23 Thread Loren Rogers
Hi all,

What's the best way to install something like Redshift in dom0?

Thanks!
Loren



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[qubes-users] External VM?

2017-01-02 Thread Loren Rogers
Hi all,

I have a VM that I use for Calibre to read ebooks, and my library is getting 
quite large. Rather than putting the books on an external drive and connecting 
that to my Calibre VM, would it be possible to move the entire VM to an 
external drive? It doesn't need to be fast. (It's just a bunch of books.) At 
the moment, I just have all my documents on my HD, which is a bit of a waste of 
SSD. I'm only going to access these files through this VM, so it would be handy 
if I could just have them all collected together in one place.

I imagine that this feature doesn't exist today, and it may be somewhat 
complicated because of the integration with dom0. But I figure this ability may 
be useful to folks who have large VMs for specific tasks that aren't used very 
often. Is there a better way to approach this?

Thanks!
Loren



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Re: [qubes-users] Full Screen

2016-12-17 Thread 'Loren Rogers' via qubes-users
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Subject: Re: [qubes-users] Full Screen
Local Time: December 17, 2016 10:15 AM
UTC Time: December 17, 2016 3:15 PM
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On 2016-12-17 06:00, Unman wrote:
> On Sat, Dec 17, 2016 at 08:51:37AM -0500, 'Loren Rogers' via
> qubes-users wrote:
>> Hi all,
>>
>> I'm not sure how I do it, but sometimes my applications go into
>> full-screen mode. This usually happens when I press a shortcut by
>> accident, so I'm not sure what the shortcut actually is. (I'm
>> usually trying to do something else, and I bump the wrong key.)
>> But, I know that I can make a window full-screen by
>> right-clicking the top bar of the window and selecting
>> Fullscreen.
>>
>> How do I get out of this?
>>
>> So far, my only solution has been to close the window or
>> otherwise quit out of the application. Although not the end of
>> the world, it's super annoying. [The docs say]
>> (https://www.qubes-os.org/doc/full-screen-mode/)that full screen
>> needs to be enabled for a VM to use it, but is this no longer
>> the case? Is it enabled by default?
>>
>> Thanks in advance, Loren
>>
>
> Yes, you are right about the docs.
>
> No need to close the application. In the window, try ALT+SPACE -
> this will show you the window menu and you can "Leave Fullscreen".
> That's an Xfce thing.
>
> unman
>

Looks like this was documented on this page:

https://www.qubes-os.org/doc/config-files/

But not on the fullscreen mode page. I've updated the latter.

Here's the relevant portion:

"Regardless of the settings [in /etc/qubes/guid.conf], you can always
put a window into fullscreen mode using the trusted window manager by
right-clicking on a window’s title bar and selecting 'Fullscreen'."

The new functionality should still be considered safe, since a VM
window still can't voluntarily enter fullscreen mode. The user has to
select this option from the trusted window manager in dom0.

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Perfect! Thanks for pointing that out. It may also be useful to mention the 
ALT+SPACE XFCE shortcut.

Loren

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[qubes-users] Full Screen

2016-12-17 Thread 'Loren Rogers' via qubes-users
Hi all,

I'm not sure how I do it, but sometimes my applications go into full-screen 
mode. This usually happens when I press a shortcut by accident, so I'm not sure 
what the shortcut actually is. (I'm usually trying to do something else, and I 
bump the wrong key.) But, I know that I can make a window full-screen by 
right-clicking the top bar of the window and selecting Fullscreen.

How do I get out of this?

So far, my only solution has been to close the window or otherwise quit out of 
the application. Although not the end of the world, it's super annoying. [The 
docs say ](https://www.qubes-os.org/doc/full-screen-mode/)that full screen 
needs to be enabled for a VM to use it, but is this no longer the case? Is it 
enabled by default?

Thanks in advance,
Loren

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Re: [qubes-users] Re: USB Scanner or Printer?

2016-12-01 Thread Loren Rogers



On 12/01/2016 06:25 AM, Franz wrote:



On Thu, Dec 1, 2016 at 12:47 AM, <raahe...@gmail.com 
<mailto:raahe...@gmail.com>> wrote:


On Wednesday, November 30, 2016 at 7:02:19 PM UTC-5, Loren Rogers
wrote:
> What's the recommended way to handle scanners and printers? It
>   sounds like I'll need to go through a USB Qube, but I
> don't trust the closed-source drivers to run alongside
my USB
> keyboard.
>
> Will I need to assign a USB PCI device to a particular
>   printer-scanner Qube and have the others go through dom0?

most use network printer i believe cause easier to print to. 
Printer is never considered secure or printing private.



If you do not have a network printer you cann buy a printer server for 
a few dollars.

best
Fran

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Good point - I suppose it makes most sense to set up a print/scan server 
and just connect to it remotely.


However, assuming I had some other USB device that required 
closed-source drivers, would my only option be to connect it to the USB 
Qube or dedicate a PCI USB device to a separate Qube?


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[qubes-users] Re: TemplateVM Best-Practices?

2016-11-30 Thread Loren Rogers

On 11/30/2016 09:14 AM, Daniel Moerner wrote:


On Wednesday, November 30, 2016 at 8:59:58 AM UTC-5, Loren Rogers wrote:

Hi all,

Are there any recommended strategies for creating and managing
TemplateVMs for regular users?

Speaking personally, I use four templates: (based on Debian 9)

base: For sys-*, vault, gpg, shopping, banking, etc.
office: Libreoffice, thunderbird extensions, latex. For work and personal VMs.
dev: Developer tools, compilers, etc. For dev VMs.
untrusted: Media software (vlc, etc.) as well as Chrome.

This lets me keep the individual templates to a more manageable size and 
prevents me from accidentally mixing up my workflow across VMs.

I would be open to using a more stripped-down base template but I'm not 
convinced it's worth it.
Thanks - it's really helpful to hear how others manage things. I'll give 
a similar setup a try.


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[qubes-users] USB Scanner or Printer?

2016-11-30 Thread Loren Rogers
What's the recommended way to handle scanners and printers? It sounds 
like I'll need to go through a USB Qube, but I don't trust the 
closed-source drivers to run alongside my USB keyboard 
.


Will I need to assign a USB PCI device to a particular printer-scanner 
Qube and have the others go through dom0?


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Re: [qubes-users] Re: Qubes not shutting down

2016-11-24 Thread Loren Rogers



On 11/24/2016 03:57 AM, Pawel Debski wrote:

W dniu środa, 23 listopada 2016 00:34:09 UTC+1 użytkownik Drew White napisał:

On Tuesday, 22 November 2016 13:41:30 UTC+11, Loren Rogers  wrote:

On 11/21/2016 06:24 PM, Drew White wrote:

On Tuesday, 22 November 2016 06:04:43 UTC+11, Loren Rogers  wrote:

On 11/21/2016 11:04 AM, Loren Rogers wrote:

On 11/21/2016 12:42 AM, Drew White wrote:

On Sunday, 20 November 2016 04:56:03 UTC+11, Loren Rogers  wrote:

Another correlation I've noticed is that my machine randomly shuts
itself down without warning when I'm browsing in the Anon-Whonix VM. It
seems that simply having the Whonix browser open causes the problem.
I've not been able to pin down an exact cause, but it seems to happen
after about 5-20min. When this happens, the machine sometimes ends
up in
a hung state (black screen) at the end of the shutdown process.

I've also noticed that the fan speeds up right at it starts to
shutdown.
(The screen turns to the Qubes logo with the progress bar, then the fan
cranks up.) Sometimes the bar makes it all the way to the end, other
times it seems to simply crash to a hault. As I mentioned elsewhere,
the
Thinkpad X201t is known to have overheating issues, but I'm not sure if
this is related. I'm not working the machine particularly hard (just
browsing articles on the web), and the hardware is not particularly hot
to the touch.

When it gets to the qubes logo screen, press ESC to see what it's
actually doing.

If you wish to always know what it's doing, turn off rhgb and quiet
in the boot config.

Then you will see where the issue is.

Thanks, I'll give that a shot next time it happens. I feel like it'll
go by too quickly for me to see what's happening; does it also write
its activity to a log somewhere?

I can now confirm that it's an over heating issue. When it went into the
automatic shutdown sequence, I pressed escape and managed to take note
of a few of the messages. One of the very first ones was something about
"thermal_zone_0 critical temperature reached: 128C", which I assume is
the cause. (This isn't an exact quote, since I noted it from memory.)

This raises some questions:
- What could be causing this overheating issue in Whonix?
- Is 128C a normal temperature for the safety shutdown to kick in?
- Does Qubes have a warning / alert system for potential overheat? (Like
low battery)

It is a high temperature, but does it ONLY happen in Whonix?
Or if you push the PC does it happen also?
Have you tried limiting the threads Whonix can use?

Sometimes CPUs have shutdown at 99 degrees.
So 128 degrees is a bit high in my own opinion.

I recommend you check the CPU Fan and heatsinks (if it has them).

Thanks for the input - I just dusted out the fan, and we'll see if it
helps. It wasn't too bad, but we'll see if there's an improvement.

No, it also randomly goes into auto-shutdown when backing up VMs.
However, that happens about 20% of the time. Whonix seems to do it about
80% of the time, the other 20% I figure I shut it down before it does so
on its own. I figure there may be something in the Whonix VM that's
causing my processor to over work itself. The auto-shutdowns may be
ultimately linked to dust in the fan or something like that, but if
there's something processor intensive in Whonix, it may be worth looking
into.

Also, a heat warning message would be nice. I assume the thresholds are
set via the bios - is there a standard way of monitoring this? (I'm not
particularly well versed in this sort of thing.)



I recommend you get your HDD checked, and your RAM.

Test both thoroughly.
Could be some bad sectors.
Also run a smartd check.

Some PCs have system diagnostics built in for RAM in the startup sequence.

Thinkpads have known problem that after long time of usage GPU radiator glued to 
the chip goes loose and X201 is rather older model. Not sure how to measure GPU 
temp but if this is the case you can improve it yourself with superglue & 
silver smear or any repair shop around shall do it for a few coppers.

Thanks everyone -- this is great info.

I think the dust removal was really helpful. I've noticed that the fan 
is working a lot less, and it's not crashing during backups like it did 
before. I'll check the HDD and RAM soon, and I'll keep the GPU radiator 
issue in mind. (I had no idea this was an issue - thanks for the pointer!)


Any thoughts on a temperature warning message?

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[qubes-users] Warning when launching applications

2016-11-22 Thread Loren Rogers
I'm not sure if this is the expected behavior. When a VM is starting up, 
if I launch an application from the Applications menu, it gives me this 
error:


> domain '' qrexec not connected

I also get a warning in the VM Manager. (See attached.)

I imagined that the applications would queue while the VM started up, 
then launch when it was ready. Is there a reason it doesn't work this way?



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Re: [qubes-users] Re: Qubes not shutting down

2016-11-21 Thread Loren Rogers



On 11/21/2016 06:24 PM, Drew White wrote:

On Tuesday, 22 November 2016 06:04:43 UTC+11, Loren Rogers  wrote:

On 11/21/2016 11:04 AM, Loren Rogers wrote:

On 11/21/2016 12:42 AM, Drew White wrote:

On Sunday, 20 November 2016 04:56:03 UTC+11, Loren Rogers  wrote:

Another correlation I've noticed is that my machine randomly shuts
itself down without warning when I'm browsing in the Anon-Whonix VM. It
seems that simply having the Whonix browser open causes the problem.
I've not been able to pin down an exact cause, but it seems to happen
after about 5-20min. When this happens, the machine sometimes ends
up in
a hung state (black screen) at the end of the shutdown process.

I've also noticed that the fan speeds up right at it starts to
shutdown.
(The screen turns to the Qubes logo with the progress bar, then the fan
cranks up.) Sometimes the bar makes it all the way to the end, other
times it seems to simply crash to a hault. As I mentioned elsewhere,
the
Thinkpad X201t is known to have overheating issues, but I'm not sure if
this is related. I'm not working the machine particularly hard (just
browsing articles on the web), and the hardware is not particularly hot
to the touch.

When it gets to the qubes logo screen, press ESC to see what it's
actually doing.

If you wish to always know what it's doing, turn off rhgb and quiet
in the boot config.

Then you will see where the issue is.

Thanks, I'll give that a shot next time it happens. I feel like it'll
go by too quickly for me to see what's happening; does it also write
its activity to a log somewhere?

I can now confirm that it's an over heating issue. When it went into the
automatic shutdown sequence, I pressed escape and managed to take note
of a few of the messages. One of the very first ones was something about
"thermal_zone_0 critical temperature reached: 128C", which I assume is
the cause. (This isn't an exact quote, since I noted it from memory.)

This raises some questions:
- What could be causing this overheating issue in Whonix?
- Is 128C a normal temperature for the safety shutdown to kick in?
- Does Qubes have a warning / alert system for potential overheat? (Like
low battery)

It is a high temperature, but does it ONLY happen in Whonix?
Or if you push the PC does it happen also?
Have you tried limiting the threads Whonix can use?

Sometimes CPUs have shutdown at 99 degrees.
So 128 degrees is a bit high in my own opinion.

I recommend you check the CPU Fan and heatsinks (if it has them).


Thanks for the input - I just dusted out the fan, and we'll see if it 
helps. It wasn't too bad, but we'll see if there's an improvement.


No, it also randomly goes into auto-shutdown when backing up VMs. 
However, that happens about 20% of the time. Whonix seems to do it about 
80% of the time, the other 20% I figure I shut it down before it does so 
on its own. I figure there may be something in the Whonix VM that's 
causing my processor to over work itself. The auto-shutdowns may be 
ultimately linked to dust in the fan or something like that, but if 
there's something processor intensive in Whonix, it may be worth looking 
into.


Also, a heat warning message would be nice. I assume the thresholds are 
set via the bios - is there a standard way of monitoring this? (I'm not 
particularly well versed in this sort of thing.)





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Re: [qubes-users] Re: Qubes not shutting down

2016-11-21 Thread Loren Rogers



On 11/21/2016 11:04 AM, Loren Rogers wrote:


On 11/21/2016 12:42 AM, Drew White wrote:

On Sunday, 20 November 2016 04:56:03 UTC+11, Loren Rogers  wrote:

Another correlation I've noticed is that my machine randomly shuts
itself down without warning when I'm browsing in the Anon-Whonix VM. It
seems that simply having the Whonix browser open causes the problem.
I've not been able to pin down an exact cause, but it seems to happen
after about 5-20min. When this happens, the machine sometimes ends 
up in

a hung state (black screen) at the end of the shutdown process.

I've also noticed that the fan speeds up right at it starts to 
shutdown.

(The screen turns to the Qubes logo with the progress bar, then the fan
cranks up.) Sometimes the bar makes it all the way to the end, other
times it seems to simply crash to a hault. As I mentioned elsewhere, 
the

Thinkpad X201t is known to have overheating issues, but I'm not sure if
this is related. I'm not working the machine particularly hard (just
browsing articles on the web), and the hardware is not particularly hot
to the touch.
When it gets to the qubes logo screen, press ESC to see what it's 
actually doing.


If you wish to always know what it's doing, turn off rhgb and quiet 
in the boot config.


Then you will see where the issue is.


Thanks, I'll give that a shot next time it happens. I feel like it'll 
go by too quickly for me to see what's happening; does it also write 
its activity to a log somewhere?


I can now confirm that it's an over heating issue. When it went into the 
automatic shutdown sequence, I pressed escape and managed to take note 
of a few of the messages. One of the very first ones was something about 
"thermal_zone_0 critical temperature reached: 128C", which I assume is 
the cause. (This isn't an exact quote, since I noted it from memory.)


This raises some questions:
- What could be causing this overheating issue in Whonix?
- Is 128C a normal temperature for the safety shutdown to kick in?
- Does Qubes have a warning / alert system for potential overheat? (Like 
low battery)





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Re: [qubes-users] Can't update dom0?

2016-11-21 Thread Loren Rogers


On 11/19/2016 06:31 AM, Andrew David Wong wrote:

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On 2016-11-16 12:10, Loren Rogers wrote:

I can't seem to update dom0 using the regular updater. The system keeps telling 
me there are updates for dom0, but I can't get anything to actually update. Is 
there something I'm missing here?

Clicking the "Update VM System" button with dom0 selected seems like it starts, 
but it doesn't really go anywhere. I attached a screenshot of the system after it gets 
going. Eventually, it'll just silently crash. I can re-start the process, but it does the 
exact same thing.

I'm using R3.2 on a Thinkpad X201 Tablet.

Thanks!
Loren


Are you sure it's crashing instead of simply not finding any updates? There's a 
known issue with the update notification icon showing even when no updates are 
available:

https://github.com/QubesOS/qubes-issues/issues/2086

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No, I don't actually know what happens when it disappears. What would be 
a good way to determine if it crashes or exits without updates? Is there 
any indication that the process completed?


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Re: [qubes-users] Re: Qubes not shutting down

2016-11-21 Thread Loren Rogers
Thanks, I'll give that a shot next time it happens. I feel like it'll go 
by too quickly for me to see what's happening; does it also write its 
activity to a log somewhere?



On 11/21/2016 12:42 AM, Drew White wrote:

On Sunday, 20 November 2016 04:56:03 UTC+11, Loren Rogers  wrote:

Another correlation I've noticed is that my machine randomly shuts
itself down without warning when I'm browsing in the Anon-Whonix VM. It
seems that simply having the Whonix browser open causes the problem.
I've not been able to pin down an exact cause, but it seems to happen
after about 5-20min. When this happens, the machine sometimes ends up in
a hung state (black screen) at the end of the shutdown process.

I've also noticed that the fan speeds up right at it starts to shutdown.
(The screen turns to the Qubes logo with the progress bar, then the fan
cranks up.) Sometimes the bar makes it all the way to the end, other
times it seems to simply crash to a hault. As I mentioned elsewhere, the
Thinkpad X201t is known to have overheating issues, but I'm not sure if
this is related. I'm not working the machine particularly hard (just
browsing articles on the web), and the hardware is not particularly hot
to the touch.

When it gets to the qubes logo screen, press ESC to see what it's actually 
doing.

If you wish to always know what it's doing, turn off rhgb and quiet in the boot 
config.

Then you will see where the issue is.



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Re: [qubes-users] Re: Qubes not shutting down

2016-11-21 Thread Loren Rogers


On 11/21/2016 12:42 AM, Drew White wrote:

On Sunday, 20 November 2016 04:56:03 UTC+11, Loren Rogers  wrote:

Another correlation I've noticed is that my machine randomly shuts
itself down without warning when I'm browsing in the Anon-Whonix VM. It
seems that simply having the Whonix browser open causes the problem.
I've not been able to pin down an exact cause, but it seems to happen
after about 5-20min. When this happens, the machine sometimes ends up in
a hung state (black screen) at the end of the shutdown process.

I've also noticed that the fan speeds up right at it starts to shutdown.
(The screen turns to the Qubes logo with the progress bar, then the fan
cranks up.) Sometimes the bar makes it all the way to the end, other
times it seems to simply crash to a hault. As I mentioned elsewhere, the
Thinkpad X201t is known to have overheating issues, but I'm not sure if
this is related. I'm not working the machine particularly hard (just
browsing articles on the web), and the hardware is not particularly hot
to the touch.

When it gets to the qubes logo screen, press ESC to see what it's actually 
doing.

If you wish to always know what it's doing, turn off rhgb and quiet in the boot 
config.

Then you will see where the issue is.


Thanks, I'll give that a shot next time it happens. I feel like it'll go 
by too quickly for me to see what's happening; does it also write its 
activity to a log somewhere?


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Re: [qubes-users] Re: Qubes not shutting down

2016-11-19 Thread Loren Rogers



On 11/19/2016 06:28 AM, Andrew David Wong wrote:

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On 2016-11-16 13:27, Loren Rogers wrote:

On 11/16/2016 02:33 PM, Grzesiek Chodzicki wrote:


W dniu środa, 16 listopada 2016 20:04:14 UTC+1 użytkownik Loren Rogers napisał:

Hi all,

I've successfully installed Qubes on my Thinkpad X201 tablet, but it has
issues shutting down. When I explicitly tell it to reboot or shutdown,
it goes through the entire shutdown sequence, but hangs on an empty
black screen. Occasionally, I see an unchanging white underscore (_)
character displayed in the top left when it hangs.

I tried leaving it in this state for about an hour, and no change--I've
always had to force-reset. I assume this is not normal?

Also, I find that the system randomly begins the shutdown sequence on
its own. (And hangs on the black screen at the end.)

Thanks,
Loren

The same issue occurs on my system only if I shut the system down while a VM 
with a PCI device without FLR support is running

Also, I just confirmed that it shuts down cleanly with all VMs off and no USB 
devices plugged in.


It sounds like you've encountered one (or both) of these issues:

https://github.com/QubesOS/qubes-issues/issues/1581
https://github.com/QubesOS/qubes-issues/issues/1826

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Another correlation I've noticed is that my machine randomly shuts 
itself down without warning when I'm browsing in the Anon-Whonix VM. It 
seems that simply having the Whonix browser open causes the problem. 
I've not been able to pin down an exact cause, but it seems to happen 
after about 5-20min. When this happens, the machine sometimes ends up in 
a hung state (black screen) at the end of the shutdown process.


I've also noticed that the fan speeds up right at it starts to shutdown. 
(The screen turns to the Qubes logo with the progress bar, then the fan 
cranks up.) Sometimes the bar makes it all the way to the end, other 
times it seems to simply crash to a hault. As I mentioned elsewhere, the 
Thinkpad X201t is known to have overheating issues, but I'm not sure if 
this is related. I'm not working the machine particularly hard (just 
browsing articles on the web), and the hardware is not particularly hot 
to the touch.



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Re: [qubes-users] Re: Incremental / continuous backups?

2016-11-18 Thread Loren Rogers



On 11/16/2016 06:02 PM, Marek Marczykowski-Górecki wrote:

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On Wed, Nov 16, 2016 at 01:35:53PM -0800, pixel fairy wrote:

On Wednesday, November 16, 2016 at 2:12:37 PM UTC-5, Loren Rogers wrote:

What's a good approach for regular backups?

Does Qubes have a simple way of automatically saving VM snapshots? And,
is there a way to do this incrementally? I assume not, since the
encryption would block it?

you can encrypt the volume and put snapshots on that. maybe the future of 
qubes-backup?

till then i use a script from dom0,
qvm-run backupkeeper "rm -rf QubesIncoming/*"
for i in `cat backuplist`;do qvm-run $i "qvm-copy-to-vm backupkeeper .";done

then rdiff-backup QubesIncoming /run/media/user/.../backups/rdiff

this way, the same drive can also keep appvm snapshots.
backupkeeper is just an appvm with no network access and a lot of space. the 
usb disks are setup with cryptsetup, ext4 and a backups folder owned by user. 
the first line is to get rid of old backups. qvm-copy-to-vm wont let you 
overwrite.

its no TimeMachine, and deleting and copying entire folders is inefficient. but 
does the job and easy to recover on any linux system.

would be nice to be able to initiate the file copy from dom0 and auto allow it. 
then it could run in the background.

Actually you can "auto allow it". Simply click "Yes to all" during one
backup run - it will add appropriate rule to policy to allow the same
operation (same source and target VM) in the future without asking.

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Very interesting - I'll look into these as options. Out of curiosity, 
would it be possible to post your script to Gist? (To be sure I don't 
miss something.) I'd like to explore this in more detail, and it would 
be really helpful to see a working example.


In the past, I've had great success with this rsync backup script:
https://github.com/eaut/rsync-time-backup

What would be the costs/benefits of using VM snapshots instead of rsync? 
Would it even be possible to run an rsync script like the one above in 
dom0 that reached into the VMs? (I'm still learning the ins and outs of 
Qubes.)


Loren

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[qubes-users] Re: Qubes not shutting down

2016-11-16 Thread Loren Rogers

On 11/16/2016 02:33 PM, Grzesiek Chodzicki wrote:


W dniu środa, 16 listopada 2016 20:04:14 UTC+1 użytkownik Loren Rogers napisał:

Hi all,

I've successfully installed Qubes on my Thinkpad X201 tablet, but it has
issues shutting down. When I explicitly tell it to reboot or shutdown,
it goes through the entire shutdown sequence, but hangs on an empty
black screen. Occasionally, I see an unchanging white underscore (_)
character displayed in the top left when it hangs.

I tried leaving it in this state for about an hour, and no change--I've
always had to force-reset. I assume this is not normal?

Also, I find that the system randomly begins the shutdown sequence on
its own. (And hangs on the black screen at the end.)

Thanks,
Loren

The same issue occurs on my system only if I shut the system down while a VM 
with a PCI device without FLR support is running


Also, I just confirmed that it shuts down cleanly with all VMs off and 
no USB devices plugged in.


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[qubes-users] Re: Qubes not shutting down

2016-11-16 Thread Loren Rogers


On 11/16/2016 02:33 PM, Grzesiek Chodzicki wrote:

W dniu środa, 16 listopada 2016 20:04:14 UTC+1 użytkownik Loren Rogers napisał:

Hi all,

I've successfully installed Qubes on my Thinkpad X201 tablet, but it has
issues shutting down. When I explicitly tell it to reboot or shutdown,
it goes through the entire shutdown sequence, but hangs on an empty
black screen. Occasionally, I see an unchanging white underscore (_)
character displayed in the top left when it hangs.

I tried leaving it in this state for about an hour, and no change--I've
always had to force-reset. I assume this is not normal?

Also, I find that the system randomly begins the shutdown sequence on
its own. (And hangs on the black screen at the end.)

Thanks,
Loren

The same issue occurs on my system only if I shut the system down while a VM 
with a PCI device without FLR support is running


Interesting - thanks for the info. Are you saying it doesn't shut down, 
or that it shuts down automatically?


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[qubes-users] Can't update dom0?

2016-11-16 Thread Loren Rogers
I can't seem to update dom0 using the regular updater. The system keeps 
telling me there are updates for dom0, but I can't get anything to 
actually update. Is there something I'm missing here?


Clicking the "Update VM System" button with dom0 selected seems like it 
starts, but it doesn't really go anywhere. I attached a screenshot of 
the system after it gets going. Eventually, it'll just silently crash. I 
can re-start the process, but it does the exact same thing.


I'm using R3.2 on a Thinkpad X201 Tablet.

Thanks!
Loren

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[qubes-users] Incremental / continuous backups?

2016-11-16 Thread Loren Rogers

What's a good approach for regular backups?

Does Qubes have a simple way of automatically saving VM snapshots? And, 
is there a way to do this incrementally? I assume not, since the 
encryption would block it?


Thanks,
Loren

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