[qubes-users] Re: Qubes silently ditches Librem
Chris Laprise: > On 07/10/2017 10:56 AM, Unman wrote: >> This simply isn't true - it's clear from the Purism statement that Librem >> 13v2 has not been entered for certification. >> >> Since Qubes 4 is still at an early stage of development (not even RC1), >> there is little prospect of ANY machine being certified for it at this >> stage. >> The fact that there are issues with Coreboot now is irrelevant - there >> are issues with all sorts of things in 4 as it stands. But it was stated >> that Qubes certified hardware should run on open source boot firmware, >> and I dont think that has changed. >> >> I dont think that Librem users have been "left in the lurch". It was >> made clear that the Librem13 was not likely to be certified for Qubes 4. >> This doesnt mean that the machine wont work with 4 - if you look at the >> requirements page for 4, minimal are VT-x,VT-d SLAT. >> A quick look at the HCL and the purism site confirms that the 13 has >> CoreI5 6200U, and that CPU does have VT-x, VT-d and SLAT. >> So in what sense does OP have grounds for feeling "left in the lurch"? >> >> unman >> > > And I think its worth re-stating that Qubes wants a formal certification > process (which Purism chose not to continue). > > Qubes should be lauded for creating this process and standing by it; It > guards against the erroneous perceptions people have about "PC hardware" > being a uniform blank canvas for creating an OS. > Sorry guys, I realise you are a couple of die-hard Qubesmen and are desperately trying to defend Qubes reputation, but you need to remove the blinkers and examine the facts. Fact 1/ in my original post I stated "For those of us who followed Qubes hardware recommendations and then bought or ordered shiny new Librem 13 laptops, you'll maybe not have noticed that qubes has silently and sneakily withdrawn the recommendation...". Six months after Purism began taking orders for the version 2 of the Librem 13 and 12 hours after I posted, Andy Wong published an announcement acknowledging that Librem 13v2 was no longer certified by qubes. Now if that doesn't leave people who ordered a version2 Librem13 and just recently had it delivered, in the lurch - I don't know what does. Fact 2/ In December 15 Qubes trumpeted via its News pages https://www.qubes-os.org/news/2015/12/09/purism-partnership/.Entitled; Partnering with Purism and the first Qubes-certified laptop. Within the document is this statement; "This begins with the certification of the Librem 13" - the words Librem 13 provides a link to https://puri.sm/librem-13. Contrary to the arguments you've posted, you'll notice that nowhere within the document does it specify that the certification covers Version 1 of Librem13 only. To the contrary, clicking the link takes you to Version2 of the Librem 13. To summarise. Many months after Purism started taking orders for Version 2 of the Librem 13, Qubes formally withdrew its certification leaving users in the lurch. In the meantime Qubes pocketed $100 per order in commission. This is unforgivable, indefensible behavior. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "qubes-users" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to qubes-users+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to qubes-users@googlegroups.com. To view this discussion on the web visit https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/qubes-users/e5e3cb27-4a46-a4b9-f055-2221ea3895eb%40tutanota.com. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
[qubes-users] Re: Qubes silently ditches Librem
Chris Laprise: > On 07/10/2017 10:56 AM, Unman wrote: >> This simply isn't true - it's clear from the Purism statement that Librem >> 13v2 has not been entered for certification. >> >> Since Qubes 4 is still at an early stage of development (not even RC1), >> there is little prospect of ANY machine being certified for it at this >> stage. >> The fact that there are issues with Coreboot now is irrelevant - there >> are issues with all sorts of things in 4 as it stands. But it was stated >> that Qubes certified hardware should run on open source boot firmware, >> and I dont think that has changed. >> >> I dont think that Librem users have been "left in the lurch". It was >> made clear that the Librem13 was not likely to be certified for Qubes 4. >> This doesnt mean that the machine wont work with 4 - if you look at the >> requirements page for 4, minimal are VT-x,VT-d SLAT. >> A quick look at the HCL and the purism site confirms that the 13 has >> CoreI5 6200U, and that CPU does have VT-x, VT-d and SLAT. >> So in what sense does OP have grounds for feeling "left in the lurch"? >> >> unman >> > > And I think its worth re-stating that Qubes wants a formal certification > process (which Purism chose not to continue). > > Qubes should be lauded for creating this process and standing by it; It > guards against the erroneous perceptions people have about "PC hardware" > being a uniform blank canvas for creating an OS. > Sorry guys, I realise you are a couple of die-hard Qubesmen and are desperately trying to defend Qubes reputation, but you need to remove the blinkers and examine the facts. Fact 1/ in my original post I stated "For those of us who followed Qubes hardware recommendations and then bought or ordered shiny new Librem 13 laptops, you'll maybe not have noticed that qubes has silently and sneakily withdrawn the recommendation...". Six months after Purism began taking orders for the version 2 of the Librem 13 and 12 hours after I posted, Andy Wong published an announcement acknowledging that Librem 13v2 was no longer certified by qubes. Now if that doesn't leave people who ordered a version2 Librem13 and just recently had it delivered, in the lurch - I don't know what does. Fact 2/ In December 15 Qubes trumpeted via its News pages https://www.qubes-os.org/news/2015/12/09/purism-partnership/.Entitled; Partnering with Purism and the first Qubes-certified laptop. Within the document is this statement; "This begins with the certification of the Librem 13" - the words Librem 13 provides a link to https://puri.sm/librem-13. Contrary to the arguments you've posted, you'll notice that nowhere within the document does it specify that the certification covers Version 1 of Librem13 only. To the contrary, clicking the link takes you to Version2 of the Librem 13. To summarise. Many months after Purism started taking orders for Version 2 of the Librem 13, Qubes formally withdrew its certification leaving users in the lurch. In the meantime Qubes pocketed $100 per order in commission. This is unforgivable, indefensible behavior. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "qubes-users" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to qubes-users+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to qubes-users@googlegroups.com. To view this discussion on the web visit https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/qubes-users/5cf60532-3b46-d448-133a-31ef9ff4b372%40tutanota.com. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
