Re: [qubes-users] How to delete or upgrade app VMs?

2018-02-23 Thread Yuraeitha 
On Friday, February 23, 2018 at 8:03:55 PM UTC+1, Unman wrote:
> On Fri, Feb 23, 2018 at 10:44:04AM -0800, Yuraeitha wrote:
> > On Friday, February 23, 2018 at 3:00:51 AM UTC+1, Kyle Breneman wrote:
> > > >Does this help?
> > > 
> > > >https://www.qubes-os.org/doc/templates/fedora/#after-installing
> > > 
> > > 
> > > Yes, somewhat, but I found #7 on this page more helpful.  I've almost 
> > > gotten everything configured the way I want, but one thing still puzzles 
> > > me.  I used "sudo dnf remove qubes-template-fedora-23" from the terminal 
> > > (mistakenly did this before deleting/switching all app VMs that depended 
> > > on it), but apparently that didn't completely remove fedora-23 template 
> > > VM because even after several restarts the fedora-23 template VM is still 
> > > showing up in the Qubes VM Manager.  How can I get rid of it for good?
> > > 
> > > 
> > > Regards,
> > > 
> > > Kyle
> > > 
> > > 
> > > 
> > > On Wed, Feb 21, 2018 at 1:25 AM, Andrew David Wong  
> > > wrote:
> > > -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE-
> > > 
> > > Hash: SHA512
> > > 
> > > 
> > > 
> > > 
> > > 
> > > On 2018-02-20 22:48, Kyle Breneman wrote:
> > > 
> > > > I'm running Qubes 3.2.  I have the default Fedora 23 template VM, and 
> > > > the
> > > 
> > > > default app VMs built from it, but I also installed a Fedora 26 template
> > > 
> > > > VM.  Now I want to delete or upgrade my Fedora 23 app VMs, but I cannot
> > > 
> > > > figure out how to do this.  The "Delete VM" menu option in the Qubes VM
> > > 
> > > > Manager always seems to be grayed-out.  How can I either delete these 
> > > > app
> > > 
> > > > VMs based on Fedora 23, or switch them over to my Fedora 26 template?
> > > 
> > > >
> > > 
> > > > Regards,
> > > 
> > > > Kyle
> > > 
> > > >
> > > 
> > > 
> > > 
> > > Does this help?
> > > 
> > > 
> > > 
> > > https://www.qubes-os.org/doc/templates/fedora/#after-installing
> > > 
> > > 
> > > 
> > > - --
> > > 
> > > Andrew David Wong (Axon)
> > > 
> > > Community Manager, Qubes OS
> > > 
> > > https://www.qubes-os.org
> > > 
> > > 
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> > It's an issue someone else encountered in the past, somewhere on these mail 
> > threads, at least a good couple months back if memory serves. I thought it 
> > had since then been made impossible by now to remove the template 
> > prematurely? But it seems not. In this case, you can now only remove it 
> > manually once the damage has been done. At least to my knowledge about it. 
> > The link Andrew linked should do the trick.
> > 
> > Currently there is not enough redundancy to prevent mistakes such as 
> > premature removal, or mixing up qvm-remove and "dnf remove", which both can 
> > cause mayharm. 
> > 
> > Is this something that's been put on github tracking issues/features? 
> > anyone knows?
> > 
> 
> I dont think it is possible to mix up qvm-remove and dnf remove. You
> cannot use qvm-remove on a template installed using dnf, and dnf remove
> wont do anything on a cloned template.
> Also, isnt there still a warning if trying to remove a template which
> has qubes using it? If not, that's a bad regression. I'm sure there was.
> 
> Does the template still appear if you run 'dnf list *template*'?
> If a template remains, I would first try dnf-remove again and note the
> response.
> Then manually remove it , if that hasnt worked and errors cant be fixed,
> but that sounds like a dnf issue.

Now that I read your post, I'm actually unsure which one of two scenarios it 
was that happened for this user posting some months back, it was either 
(qvm-remove on a rpm installed template that went through without being 
stopped), or it was ('dnf remove' which removed the template despite there 
still being AppVM's and system processes tied to it). Frustratingly I don't 
remember which one it was, it's been too long now.

I remember the user who had issues with this (one of the two scenarios above), 
was an issue that wasn't

Re: [qubes-users] How to delete or upgrade app VMs?

2018-02-23 Thread Unman 
On Fri, Feb 23, 2018 at 10:44:04AM -0800, Yuraeitha wrote:
> On Friday, February 23, 2018 at 3:00:51 AM UTC+1, Kyle Breneman wrote:
> > >Does this help?
> > 
> > >https://www.qubes-os.org/doc/templates/fedora/#after-installing
> > 
> > 
> > Yes, somewhat, but I found #7 on this page more helpful.  I've almost 
> > gotten everything configured the way I want, but one thing still puzzles 
> > me.  I used "sudo dnf remove qubes-template-fedora-23" from the terminal 
> > (mistakenly did this before deleting/switching all app VMs that depended on 
> > it), but apparently that didn't completely remove fedora-23 template VM 
> > because even after several restarts the fedora-23 template VM is still 
> > showing up in the Qubes VM Manager.  How can I get rid of it for good?
> > 
> > 
> > Regards,
> > 
> > Kyle
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > On Wed, Feb 21, 2018 at 1:25 AM, Andrew David Wong  
> > wrote:
> > -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE-
> > 
> > Hash: SHA512
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > On 2018-02-20 22:48, Kyle Breneman wrote:
> > 
> > > I'm running Qubes 3.2.  I have the default Fedora 23 template VM, and the
> > 
> > > default app VMs built from it, but I also installed a Fedora 26 template
> > 
> > > VM.  Now I want to delete or upgrade my Fedora 23 app VMs, but I cannot
> > 
> > > figure out how to do this.  The "Delete VM" menu option in the Qubes VM
> > 
> > > Manager always seems to be grayed-out.  How can I either delete these app
> > 
> > > VMs based on Fedora 23, or switch them over to my Fedora 26 template?
> > 
> > >
> > 
> > > Regards,
> > 
> > > Kyle
> > 
> > >
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > Does this help?
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > https://www.qubes-os.org/doc/templates/fedora/#after-installing
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > - --
> > 
> > Andrew David Wong (Axon)
> > 
> > Community Manager, Qubes OS
> > 
> > https://www.qubes-os.org
> > 
> > 
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> It's an issue someone else encountered in the past, somewhere on these mail 
> threads, at least a good couple months back if memory serves. I thought it 
> had since then been made impossible by now to remove the template 
> prematurely? But it seems not. In this case, you can now only remove it 
> manually once the damage has been done. At least to my knowledge about it. 
> The link Andrew linked should do the trick.
> 
> Currently there is not enough redundancy to prevent mistakes such as 
> premature removal, or mixing up qvm-remove and "dnf remove", which both can 
> cause mayharm. 
> 
> Is this something that's been put on github tracking issues/features? anyone 
> knows?
> 

I dont think it is possible to mix up qvm-remove and dnf remove. You
cannot use qvm-remove on a template installed using dnf, and dnf remove
wont do anything on a cloned template.
Also, isnt there still a warning if trying to remove a template which
has qubes using it? If not, that's a bad regression. I'm sure there was.

Does the template still appear if you run 'dnf list *template*'?
If a template remains, I would first try dnf-remove again and note the
response.
Then manually remove it , if that hasnt worked and errors cant be fixed,
but that sounds like a dnf issue.

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Re: [qubes-users] How to delete or upgrade app VMs?

2018-02-23 Thread Yuraeitha 
On Friday, February 23, 2018 at 3:00:51 AM UTC+1, Kyle Breneman wrote:
> >Does this help?
> 
> >https://www.qubes-os.org/doc/templates/fedora/#after-installing
> 
> 
> Yes, somewhat, but I found #7 on this page more helpful.  I've almost gotten 
> everything configured the way I want, but one thing still puzzles me.  I used 
> "sudo dnf remove qubes-template-fedora-23" from the terminal (mistakenly did 
> this before deleting/switching all app VMs that depended on it), but 
> apparently that didn't completely remove fedora-23 template VM because even 
> after several restarts the fedora-23 template VM is still showing up in the 
> Qubes VM Manager.  How can I get rid of it for good?
> 
> 
> Regards,
> 
> Kyle
> 
> 
> 
> On Wed, Feb 21, 2018 at 1:25 AM, Andrew David Wong  wrote:
> -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE-
> 
> Hash: SHA512
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> On 2018-02-20 22:48, Kyle Breneman wrote:
> 
> > I'm running Qubes 3.2.  I have the default Fedora 23 template VM, and the
> 
> > default app VMs built from it, but I also installed a Fedora 26 template
> 
> > VM.  Now I want to delete or upgrade my Fedora 23 app VMs, but I cannot
> 
> > figure out how to do this.  The "Delete VM" menu option in the Qubes VM
> 
> > Manager always seems to be grayed-out.  How can I either delete these app
> 
> > VMs based on Fedora 23, or switch them over to my Fedora 26 template?
> 
> >
> 
> > Regards,
> 
> > Kyle
> 
> >
> 
> 
> 
> Does this help?
> 
> 
> 
> https://www.qubes-os.org/doc/templates/fedora/#after-installing
> 
> 
> 
> - --
> 
> Andrew David Wong (Axon)
> 
> Community Manager, Qubes OS
> 
> https://www.qubes-os.org
> 
> 
> 
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It's an issue someone else encountered in the past, somewhere on these mail 
threads, at least a good couple months back if memory serves. I thought it had 
since then been made impossible by now to remove the template prematurely? But 
it seems not. In this case, you can now only remove it manually once the damage 
has been done. At least to my knowledge about it. The link Andrew linked should 
do the trick.

Currently there is not enough redundancy to prevent mistakes such as premature 
removal, or mixing up qvm-remove and "dnf remove", which both can cause 
mayharm. 

Is this something that's been put on github tracking issues/features? anyone 
knows?

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Re: [qubes-users] How to delete or upgrade app VMs?

2018-02-23 Thread Andrew David Wong 
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On 2018-02-22 20:02, Kyle Breneman wrote:
>> Yes, somewhat, but I found #7 on this page
>>  more
>> helpful.  I've almost gotten everything configured the way I want, but one
>> thing still puzzles me.  I used "sudo dnf remove qubes-template-fedora-23"
>> from the terminal (mistakenly did this before deleting/switching all app
>> VMs that depended on it), but apparently that didn't completely remove
>> fedora-23 template VM because even after several restarts the fedora-23
>> template VM is still showing up in the Qubes VM Manager.  How can I get rid
>> of it for good?
>>
> ​
> ​See link in first line.  I forgot link the first time I sent this.​
> 

Try this:

https://www.qubes-os.org/doc/remove-vm-manually/#how-to-remove-a-templatevm-manually

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Re: [qubes-users] How to delete or upgrade app VMs?

2018-02-22 Thread Kyle Breneman 
> Yes, somewhat, but I found #7 on this page
>  more
> helpful.  I've almost gotten everything configured the way I want, but one
> thing still puzzles me.  I used "sudo dnf remove qubes-template-fedora-23"
> from the terminal (mistakenly did this before deleting/switching all app
> VMs that depended on it), but apparently that didn't completely remove
> fedora-23 template VM because even after several restarts the fedora-23
> template VM is still showing up in the Qubes VM Manager.  How can I get rid
> of it for good?
>
​
​See link in first line.  I forgot link the first time I sent this.​

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Re: [qubes-users] How to delete or upgrade app VMs?

2018-02-22 Thread Kyle Breneman 
>Does this help?
>https://www.qubes-os.org/doc/templates/fedora/#after-installing


Yes, somewhat, but I found #7 on this page more helpful.  I've almost
gotten everything configured the way I want, but one thing still puzzles
me.  I used "sudo dnf remove qubes-template-fedora-23" from the terminal
(mistakenly did this before deleting/switching all app VMs that depended on
it), but apparently that didn't completely remove fedora-23 template VM
because even after several restarts the fedora-23 template VM is still
showing up in the Qubes VM Manager.  How can I get rid of it for good?

Regards,
Kyle

On Wed, Feb 21, 2018 at 1:25 AM, Andrew David Wong  wrote:

> -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE-
> Hash: SHA512
>
> On 2018-02-20 22:48, Kyle Breneman wrote:
> > I'm running Qubes 3.2.  I have the default Fedora 23 template VM, and the
> > default app VMs built from it, but I also installed a Fedora 26 template
> > VM.  Now I want to delete or upgrade my Fedora 23 app VMs, but I cannot
> > figure out how to do this.  The "Delete VM" menu option in the Qubes VM
> > Manager always seems to be grayed-out.  How can I either delete these app
> > VMs based on Fedora 23, or switch them over to my Fedora 26 template?
> >
> > Regards,
> > Kyle
> >
>
> Does this help?
>
> https://www.qubes-os.org/doc/templates/fedora/#after-installing
>
> - --
> Andrew David Wong (Axon)
> Community Manager, Qubes OS
> https://www.qubes-os.org
>
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Re: [qubes-users] How to delete or upgrade app VMs?

2018-02-20 Thread Andrew David Wong 
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On 2018-02-20 22:48, Kyle Breneman wrote:
> I'm running Qubes 3.2.  I have the default Fedora 23 template VM, and the
> default app VMs built from it, but I also installed a Fedora 26 template
> VM.  Now I want to delete or upgrade my Fedora 23 app VMs, but I cannot
> figure out how to do this.  The "Delete VM" menu option in the Qubes VM
> Manager always seems to be grayed-out.  How can I either delete these app
> VMs based on Fedora 23, or switch them over to my Fedora 26 template?
> 
> Regards,
> Kyle
> 

Does this help?

https://www.qubes-os.org/doc/templates/fedora/#after-installing

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[qubes-users] How to delete or upgrade app VMs?

2018-02-20 Thread Kyle Breneman 
I'm running Qubes 3.2.  I have the default Fedora 23 template VM, and the
default app VMs built from it, but I also installed a Fedora 26 template
VM.  Now I want to delete or upgrade my Fedora 23 app VMs, but I cannot
figure out how to do this.  The "Delete VM" menu option in the Qubes VM
Manager always seems to be grayed-out.  How can I either delete these app
VMs based on Fedora 23, or switch them over to my Fedora 26 template?

Regards,
Kyle

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