Re: [qubes-users] Re: [HCL] ThinkPad T430

[Sven Semmler]

One more update: I exchanged the 04W3269 (Toshiba) fan with a 04W3270 (Delta) 
fan, which is substantially quieter.

Now the machine is perfect, well worth what it cost.

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Re: [qubes-users] Re: [HCL] ThinkPad T430

[Sven Semmler]

On 9/11/21 08:23, Will Lewis wrote:

I'm using a 1TB 870 Pro


A few days ago I replaced the 870 QVO with a 860 PRO ... what a difference!!! 
Learned that lesson for sure.

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Re: [qubes-users] Re: [HCL] ThinkPad T430

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On 9/14/21 06:58, Billy Lewis wrote:

Other than these issues mentioned above, your fhd mod worked smoothly?


Smoother than any other computer I ever used with Qubes OS. You will love it!

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Re: [qubes-users] Re: [HCL] ThinkPad T430

[Billy Lewis]

Hi Sven,

That's great info, thank you!

Other than these issues mentioned above, your fhd mod worked smoothly? As 
in, no need to add change anything during the heads build process?

I will certainly let you know how it went although, I will probably be back 
asking more stupid questions in the future before it's finished lol

Thanks,
Stacey

On Sunday, September 12, 2021 at 11:46:21 PM UTC+1 sv...@svensemmler.org 
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> Hi Will,
>
> I basically used whatever was the HEAD revision of the Heads project at 
> that time. That worked reasonably well, but a few issues remained:
>
> -> A weird seemingly random data corruption issue when restoring backups 
> [1], which I cannot reproduce any longer. I suspect either the VRAM change 
> (see below) or the switch to the 4.19 kernel (see below) or maybe a 
> combination of both fixed it.
>
> -> Distorted graphics (looked like random data in the video buffer) for 
> the first 1-2 seconds when booting. This went away after setting 
> 'gfx_uma_size=224M' in cmos.default and 'select USE_OPTION_TABLE' and 
> 'select STATIC_OPTION_TABLE' in Kconfig. I use an external 4K screen and 
> never checked if this is also an issue without it being connected. You 
> might not need to do this.
>
> -> Random freezes of the system ... this is clearly connected to the 5.4 
> kernel and never happens when using the 4.19 kernel. As long as the 4.19 
> kernel is supported I feel no pressure to do anything about it and hope 
> that when the day comes, the newer kernel at that time will not have this 
> issue anymore. There is some talk about this being connected to the i915 
> driver.
>
> -> Some warnings about the CPU having issues when booting... that's a bug 
> in Coreboot you can simply ignore. If you however want to fix it, just 
> apply this fix [2] manually.
>
> Good luck and let us know how it went!
>
> /Sven
>
> [1] https://github.com/QubesOS/qubes-issues/issues/6227
> [2] https://review.coreboot.org/28443
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Re: [qubes-users] Re: [HCL] ThinkPad T430

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Hi Will,

I basically used whatever was the HEAD revision of the Heads project at that 
time. That worked reasonably well, but a few issues remained:

-> A weird seemingly random data corruption issue when restoring backups [1], 
which I cannot reproduce any longer. I suspect either the VRAM change (see below) 
or the switch to the 4.19 kernel (see below) or maybe a combination of both fixed 
it.

-> Distorted graphics (looked like random data in the video buffer) for the 
first 1-2 seconds when booting. This went away after setting 'gfx_uma_size=224M' 
in cmos.default and 'select USE_OPTION_TABLE' and 'select STATIC_OPTION_TABLE' in 
Kconfig. I use an external 4K screen and never checked if this is also an issue 
without it being connected. You might not need to do this.

-> Random freezes of the system ... this is clearly connected to the 5.4 kernel 
and never happens when using the 4.19 kernel. As long as the 4.19 kernel is 
supported I feel no pressure to do anything about it and hope that when the day 
comes, the newer kernel at that time will not have this issue anymore. There is 
some talk about this being connected to the i915 driver.

-> Some warnings about the CPU having issues when booting... that's a bug in 
Coreboot you can simply ignore. If you however want to fix it, just apply this fix 
[2] manually.

Good luck and let us know how it went!

/Sven

[1] https://github.com/QubesOS/qubes-issues/issues/6227
[2] https://review.coreboot.org/28443

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Re: [qubes-users] Re: [HCL] ThinkPad T430

[Billy Lewis]

Oh I see, okay that's a key piece of info, thank you.

I am not aversed to research but Heads is seeming enigmatic, do you have 
any suggestions for guides etc. any advice you could give me would be much 
appreciated.

Will I have to add my FHD 1080p screen to the build?

Thanks,

Stacey 

On Saturday, September 11, 2021 at 3:58:31 PM UTC+1 Plexus wrote:

> Coreboot comes as part of heads - so you just build heads and flash that 
> to the 4mb and 8mb chips inside. 
>
> On Sat, 11 Sept 2021 at 14:23, Will Lewis  wrote:
>
>> I have to compliment your taste in hardware, I’m building almost exactly 
>> the same machine as we speak except for the SSD, I'm using a 1TB 870 Pro.
>>
>>  
>>
>> Although, I’m entirely new to coreboot and am trying to gather as much 
>> info as possible, I’m at the last stage before flashing but I am struggling 
>> to understand some of the config options. 
>>
>> If at all possible, could I have a look at your config file Sven as our 
>> builds are almost identical.
>>
>>  
>>
>> Also did you flash Coreboot with seabios and then internally flash heads?
>>
>>  
>>
>> Thanks,
>>
>> Stacey
>>
>>
>> On Saturday, June 12, 2021 at 10:48:01 PM UTC+1 sv...@svensemmler.org 
>> wrote:
>>
>>> On 6/10/21 3:12 PM, Sven Semmler wrote: 
>>> > The one I've used is the i7-3740QM which was recommended by @Plexus. 
>>> > It's a tiny bit less powerful than the i7-3840QM but about half the 
>>> > price (if you shop right and not just go for the first listing on 
>>> Amazon 
>>> > as I did). 
>>>
>>> Actually at least in the US the price difference is basically 
>>> non-existent and I can't stand the fact that I *could* have a faster 
>>> CPU. So I ordered the i7-3840QM and will pop it in / resubmit the HCL 
>>> when it arrives. 
>>>
>>> /Sven 
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Re: [qubes-users] Re: [HCL] ThinkPad T430

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Coreboot comes as part of heads - so you just build heads and flash that to
the 4mb and 8mb chips inside.

On Sat, 11 Sept 2021 at 14:23, Will Lewis 
wrote:

> I have to compliment your taste in hardware, I’m building almost exactly
> the same machine as we speak except for the SSD, I'm using a 1TB 870 Pro.
>
>
>
> Although, I’m entirely new to coreboot and am trying to gather as much
> info as possible, I’m at the last stage before flashing but I am struggling
> to understand some of the config options.
>
> If at all possible, could I have a look at your config file Sven as our
> builds are almost identical.
>
>
>
> Also did you flash Coreboot with seabios and then internally flash heads?
>
>
>
> Thanks,
>
> Stacey
>
>
> On Saturday, June 12, 2021 at 10:48:01 PM UTC+1 sv...@svensemmler.org
> wrote:
>
>> On 6/10/21 3:12 PM, Sven Semmler wrote:
>> > The one I've used is the i7-3740QM which was recommended by @Plexus.
>> > It's a tiny bit less powerful than the i7-3840QM but about half the
>> > price (if you shop right and not just go for the first listing on
>> Amazon
>> > as I did).
>>
>> Actually at least in the US the price difference is basically
>> non-existent and I can't stand the fact that I *could* have a faster
>> CPU. So I ordered the i7-3840QM and will pop it in / resubmit the HCL
>> when it arrives.
>>
>> /Sven
>>
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Re: [qubes-users] Re: [HCL] ThinkPad T430

[Will Lewis]

I have to compliment your taste in hardware, I’m building almost exactly 
the same machine as we speak except for the SSD, I'm using a 1TB 870 Pro.

 

Although, I’m entirely new to coreboot and am trying to gather as much info 
as possible, I’m at the last stage before flashing but I am struggling to 
understand some of the config options. 

If at all possible, could I have a look at your config file Sven as our 
builds are almost identical.

 

Also did you flash Coreboot with seabios and then internally flash heads?

 

Thanks,

Stacey


On Saturday, June 12, 2021 at 10:48:01 PM UTC+1 sv...@svensemmler.org wrote:

> On 6/10/21 3:12 PM, Sven Semmler wrote: 
> > The one I've used is the i7-3740QM which was recommended by @Plexus. 
> > It's a tiny bit less powerful than the i7-3840QM but about half the 
> > price (if you shop right and not just go for the first listing on Amazon 
> > as I did). 
>
> Actually at least in the US the price difference is basically 
> non-existent and I can't stand the fact that I *could* have a faster 
> CPU. So I ordered the i7-3840QM and will pop it in / resubmit the HCL 
> when it arrives. 
>
> /Sven 
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Re: [qubes-users] Re: [HCL] ThinkPad T430

[Sven Semmler]

On 6/10/21 3:12 PM, Sven Semmler wrote:
The one I've used is the i7-3740QM which was recommended by @Plexus. 
It's a tiny bit less powerful than the i7-3840QM but about half the 
price (if you shop right and not just go for the first listing on Amazon 
as I did).


Actually at least in the US the price difference is basically 
non-existent and I can't stand the fact that I *could* have a faster 
CPU. So I ordered the i7-3840QM and will pop it in / resubmit the HCL 
when it arrives.


/Sven

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[qubes-users] Re: [HCL] ThinkPad T430

[Plexus]

Awesome work Sven and thank you for being the "one hard t430" guide 
collaborator and alpha tester. I have so many permutations of T430 in my 
home right now its hard to keep track of them all. 

I will get the guide finished soon and change the repo to public so the 
community can benefit.,

Cheers,
Plexus.

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Re: [qubes-users] Re: [HCL] ThinkPad T430

[Sven Semmler]

On 6/10/21 2:06 PM, BGW wrote:

I see that on the Nitrokey site that they say the i7 73740 is NOT
QUBES compatible?  Did I get that right?


There are three chips we should talk about to clarify this:

i7-3632QM (listed by Nitrokey, not compatible with Qubes OS)
i7-3740QM (the one I used, NOT listed by Nitrokey)
i7-3840QM (listed by Nitrokey)

The i7-3632QM is that fastest 4 core 35 watt chip Intel makes and the 
socket 2 version of it, which you would need for the T430 does not have 
Vt-d. Although there is a i7-3632QM version that has it, but that one 
can't be used with the T430.


I originally ordered a i7-3632QM because I wanted to stay within the 35 
watt design of the T430 and then found out that it lacks Vt-d when I 
tried to install Qubes OS. I asked Nitrokey about it and they continued 
to tell me that their i7-3632QM would have Vt-d. Then @Plexus made a 
post on the Qubes OS Forum regarding this and alerted the Qubes OS Team 
and that's when Nitrokey added the warning you saw.


You can however also use 45 watt chips with the T430 if you mod the 
cooling (like I've done). In that case the fastest chip is the i7-3840QM 
as offered by Nitrokey.


The one I've used is the i7-3740QM which was recommended by @Plexus. 
It's a tiny bit less powerful than the i7-3840QM but about half the 
price (if you shop right and not just go for the first listing on Amazon 
as I did).


Bottom-line: the i7-3740QM has Vt-d and works perfectly with Qubes OS!

/Sven

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[qubes-users] Re: [HCL] ThinkPad T430

[BGW]

I see that on the Nitrokey site that they say the i7 73740 is NOT QUBES 
compatible?  Did I get that right?

On Thursday, June 10, 2021 at 6:55:02 AM UTC+10 Ulrich Windl wrote:

> On 6/4/21 1:28 AM, Sven Semmler wrote:
> > A dream has come true!
> > 
> > * ThinkPad T430
> > * Coreboot/Heads with TOTP & HOTP (Nitrokey)
> > * ME cleaned & disabled
> > * Qubes OS R4.0.4 all debian-minimal, memory optimized
> > 
> > Upgrades:
> > 
> > * i7-3740QM
> > * 16 GB RAM
> > * 2 TB SSD
> > * Intel Wireless 7260
> > * 1080p display
>
> Hmm...: How many $$$ (€)?
>
> > 
> > I'll be using this machine for a long long time. :-)
> > 
> > /Sven
> > 
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Re: [qubes-users] Re: [HCL] ThinkPad T430

[Sven Semmler]

I forgot to mention the Nitrokey. But a Libremkey or Yubikey will do the 
same job. Whatever you already have or suits your wallet / location etc.


/Sven

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Re: [qubes-users] Re: [HCL] ThinkPad T430

[Sven Semmler]

On 6/9/21 3:54 PM, Ulrich Windl wrote:

How many $$$ (€)?

Laptop:

  $244.46 ThinkPad T430
  $237.62 i7-3740QM 2.70 GHz
   $39.75 CPU Cooling Fan Heatsink (04W3269 0B41088 04X3788)
   $84.32 Crucial RAM 16GB Kit (2x8GB) DDR3
  $219.99 870 QVO 2TB SSD
  $115.50 B140HAN01.3 FHD 1920x1080 High Gamut IPS LCD LED Display Panel
   $43.99 1080p IPS FHD Upgrade Kit
   $23.47 7260ac Wireless LAN PCIe
-
$1,009.10

Dock:

   $81.13 Mini Dock Series 3 Docking Sation - 433715

Tools:

$8.43 Noctua NT-H1 Thermal Compound Paste
   $12.80 Test Clips + CH341A 24 25 Series EEPROM Programmer
   $69.99 IFIXIT PRO TECH TOOLKIT
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   $91.22

If you shop a bit smarter than me, you can probably do the whole thing 
under $1,000. Seeing how the machine performs and how well it runs Qubes 
OS out of the box it is certainly worth every penny.


/Sven

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[qubes-users] Re: [HCL] ThinkPad T430

[Ulrich Windl]

On 6/4/21 1:28 AM, Sven Semmler wrote:

A dream has come true!

* ThinkPad T430
* Coreboot/Heads with TOTP & HOTP (Nitrokey)
* ME cleaned & disabled
* Qubes OS R4.0.4 all debian-minimal, memory optimized

Upgrades:

* i7-3740QM
* 16 GB RAM
* 2 TB SSD
* Intel Wireless 7260
* 1080p display


Hmm...: How many $$$ (€)?



I'll be using this machine for a long long time. :-)

/Sven



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