[qubes-users] Re: Is Fedora Really A Good Choice For QubeOS?

2017-01-09 Thread Drew White
On Tuesday, 10 January 2017 10:47:58 UTC+11, Connor Page wrote: > Sorry Drew, you asked what needs to be installed to make another dom0, not > the bare minimum that is required. I'm sorry that I was not more specific when I said "needs". It can be taken multiple ways, I should have been more

[qubes-users] Re: Is Fedora Really A Good Choice For QubeOS?

2017-01-09 Thread Connor Page
Sorry Drew, you asked what needs to be installed to make another dom0, not the bare minimum that is required. Every Qubes specific package provides a list of prerequisites and version conflicts. For instance, Name: qubes-core-dom0 Version:%{version} Release:1%{dist}

[qubes-users] Re: Is Fedora Really A Good Choice For QubeOS?

2017-01-09 Thread Drew White
On Friday, 6 January 2017 19:59:43 UTC+11, Connor Page wrote: > why wouldn't you consult the list of actually installed packages? > https://github.com/QubesOS/qubes-installer-qubes-os/blob/master/conf/comps-qubes.xml Can you, from that, tell me what are REQUIRED for Qubes-OS to be fully

[qubes-users] Re: Is Fedora Really A Good Choice For QubeOS?

2017-01-06 Thread Connor Page
why wouldn't you consult the list of actually installed packages? https://github.com/QubesOS/qubes-installer-qubes-os/blob/master/conf/comps-qubes.xml -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "qubes-users" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop

[qubes-users] Re: Is Fedora Really A Good Choice For QubeOS?

2017-01-05 Thread Drew White
The real question here I think is.. What needs to be installed in an O/S to create a new Dom0? I've asked this before, and none answers the question. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "qubes-users" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop

Re: [qubes-users] Re: Is Fedora Really A Good Choice For QubeOS?

2017-01-05 Thread Fred
The LUKS issue was all about getting a root shell as opposed to being able to defeat LUKS or get the keys or decrypt the data. I know this was a bit misreported in the press. A bigger issue is if /boot is not encrypted. And with modern GRUB there is no need for it not to be. Someone could then

Re: [qubes-users] Re: Is Fedora Really A Good Choice For QubeOS?

2017-01-05 Thread Vít Šesták
I have seen much more systemd hates than proper arguments against systemd. But if systemd is really wrong, this kind of debate does not contribute for rejecting it. >From security perspective in context of dom0, systemd is a process that >interacts with local processes and maybe with few other

Re: [qubes-users] Re: Is Fedora Really A Good Choice For QubeOS?

2017-01-04 Thread Vít Šesták
When you don't update, you will eventually have software full of known security bugs. Known security bugs (if they aren't properly managed, like analyzing their impact and mitigating them) are arguably worse than unknown security bugs (ceteris paribus), because they are much cheaper to exploit.

Re: [qubes-users] Re: Is Fedora Really A Good Choice For QubeOS?

2017-01-04 Thread Drew White
On Thursday, 5 January 2017 11:38:52 UTC+11, raah...@gmail.com wrote: > On Wednesday, January 4, 2017 at 7:37:42 PM UTC-5, raah...@gmail.com wrote: > > On Sunday, January 1, 2017 at 12:08:54 PM UTC-5, Jeremy Rand wrote: > > > -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- > > > Hash: SHA512 > > > > > >

Re: [qubes-users] Re: Is Fedora Really A Good Choice For QubeOS?

2017-01-04 Thread raahelps
On Wednesday, January 4, 2017 at 7:37:42 PM UTC-5, raah...@gmail.com wrote: > On Sunday, January 1, 2017 at 12:08:54 PM UTC-5, Jeremy Rand wrote: > > -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- > > Hash: SHA512 > > > > pixel fairy: > > > On Tuesday, October 1, 2013 at 6:32:41 PM UTC-7, ears...@gmail.com >

Re: [qubes-users] Re: Is Fedora Really A Good Choice For QubeOS?

2017-01-04 Thread raahelps
On Sunday, January 1, 2017 at 12:08:54 PM UTC-5, Jeremy Rand wrote: > -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- > Hash: SHA512 > > pixel fairy: > > On Tuesday, October 1, 2013 at 6:32:41 PM UTC-7, ears...@gmail.com > > wrote: > >> We all know Fedora is a big name, but is it a good choice for a > >>

[qubes-users] Re: Is Fedora Really A Good Choice For QubeOS?

2017-01-04 Thread raahelps
On Wednesday, December 28, 2016 at 12:01:57 AM UTC-5, Vít Šesták wrote: > While I agree Debian is a fair choice in terms of security, I disagree with > your reasoning. The “encryption bypass” is rather a minor vulnerability (i.e. > if attacker has all prerequisities to abuse it, she probably

Re: [qubes-users] Re: Is Fedora Really A Good Choice For QubeOS?

2017-01-03 Thread Drew White
On Wednesday, 4 January 2017 02:19:20 UTC+11, Ronald Duncan wrote: > This thread just sprung to life again. > > I had a quick look at > > https://www.qubes-os.org/doc/templates/ > > And along with Debian which is installed by default both > > Arch and > Ubuntu > > Are available... But not

Re: [qubes-users] Re: Is Fedora Really A Good Choice For QubeOS?

2017-01-03 Thread Ronald Duncan
This thread just sprung to life again. I had a quick look at https://www.qubes-os.org/doc/templates/ And along with Debian which is installed by default both Arch and Ubuntu Are available... My personal preference in Ubuntu because it generally just works, and Arch because it has the

Re: [qubes-users] Re: Is Fedora Really A Good Choice For QubeOS?

2017-01-02 Thread Foppe de Haan
Jeremy: That's all well and good (though without being specific, the criticism doesn't really impress me, unless the unstated assumption is that 'stable' software doesn't get security fixes), but (esp. in the case of Tor) you can just as easily turn that around: precisely because of the

Re: [qubes-users] Re: Is Fedora Really A Good Choice For QubeOS?

2017-01-01 Thread Jeremy Rand
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA512 pixel fairy: > On Tuesday, October 1, 2013 at 6:32:41 PM UTC-7, ears...@gmail.com > wrote: >> We all know Fedora is a big name, but is it a good choice for a >> Security Driven OS like QubeOS to be based around? What do others >> here think? > >

[qubes-users] Re: Is Fedora Really A Good Choice For QubeOS?

2016-12-27 Thread raahelps
I agree, redhat seems to always be finding the most crucial vulnerabilities in linux. Also imo, fedora is the most secure big linux distro by default. (a firewall on by default, selinux etc https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Security_Features?rd=Security/Features) So we know they take security

[qubes-users] Re: Is Fedora Really A Good Choice For QubeOS?

2016-12-27 Thread pixel fairy
On Tuesday, October 1, 2013 at 6:32:41 PM UTC-7, ears...@gmail.com wrote: > We all know Fedora is a big name, but is it a good choice for a Security > Driven OS like QubeOS to be based around? > What do others here think? There are a lot of packages creating a bigger attack surface. but, bigger

Re: [qubes-users] Re: Is Fedora Really A Good Choice For QubeOS?

2016-12-27 Thread taii...@gmx.com
On 12/26/2016 08:30 PM, Drew White wrote: On Thursday, 3 October 2013 08:52:22 UTC+10, Mailbe User wrote: I think the hardest problem here is people putting aside their distro war differences. Here I see Joanna mention this; 'it should have the latest Desktop Environment and Xorg drivers