Re: [qubes-users] session managers for VMs?

2018-10-05 Thread brendan . hoar
On Friday, October 5, 2018 at 12:13:42 AM UTC-4, Manuel Amador (Rudd-O) wrote:
> On 2018-09-22 07:13, Daniel Allcock wrote:
> > Even better would be to "hibernate" a qube by suspending it to disk,
> > but I know the qubes team has other priorities. I'm hoping per-vm
> > session management is something I could do right now.
> 
> Best bet would be to implement actual hibernate/thaw for VMs.  That's a
> tall order though.

Under Qubes 4.0, I've found that Win7 VMs can hibernate (at the guest OS level, 
of course), though now I am beginning to suspect that was only with a 
non-templated HVM. Why so difficult for Linux VMs? 

Hmm...ok...
- Significant additional work to support Templating w/ Hibernation, as I 
alluded to above (e.g. managing additional template disk changesets until 
hibernated systems that depend on them are thawed and shut down)? 
- Preferring hypervisor-initiated hibernate for additional security or 
performance reasons?
- More issues?

Brendan

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Re: [qubes-users] session managers for VMs?

2018-10-04 Thread Manuel Amador (Rudd-O)
On 2018-09-22 07:13, Daniel Allcock wrote:
> Sometimes I need to shut down a qube I'm working in for some reason
> (changing out sys-net for a specialized sys-net, or closing sensitive
> material before working in a public place).  It would be nice to be
> able to come back to the same window setup I left, when restarting the
> qube.
>
> dom0 has this kind of session management via xfce.  Is it possible to
> run a session manager in another qube?  How would I do this? I know
> how to start a window manager using exec, but I haven't figured out
> the X startup files in the VMs yet.  Perhaps each vm already has a
> window manager running?  But if so then I still need to enable that
> wm's session manager.
>
> Even better would be to "hibernate" a qube by suspending it to disk,
> but I know the qubes team has other priorities. I'm hoping per-vm
> session management is something I could do right now.
>
> Thank you very much,
> Daniel
>
>
X11 session management is dead (as much as it pains me to say that), and
so is multiple sessions by a single user (thank systemd session
management and dconf for that).

Best bet would be to implement actual hibernate/thaw for VMs.  That's a
tall order though.

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[qubes-users] session managers for VMs?

2018-09-22 Thread Daniel Allcock
Sometimes I need to shut down a qube I'm working in for some reason 
(changing out sys-net for a specialized sys-net, or closing sensitive 
material before working in a public place).  It would be nice to be able 
to come back to the same window setup I left, when restarting the qube.


dom0 has this kind of session management via xfce.  Is it possible to 
run a session manager in another qube?  How would I do this? I know how 
to start a window manager using exec, but I haven't figured out the X 
startup files in the VMs yet.  Perhaps each vm already has a window 
manager running?  But if so then I still need to enable that wm's 
session manager.


Even better would be to "hibernate" a qube by suspending it to disk, but 
I know the qubes team has other priorities. I'm hoping per-vm session 
management is something I could do right now.


Thank you very much,
Daniel


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