Re: [qubes-users] Best options for a 4.x compatible Dell workstation
On 09/12/2017 01:31 AM, pixel fairy wrote: last i checked, nvidia is fine with virtualization of quadro cards. You shouldn't support a company that artificially hobbles their "consumer" drivers, not only refuses to develop open source drivers but puts in the extra effort to slow down the nouveau project and adds hardware enforced code signing to prevent firmware modifications. make sure the workstation doesnt have AMT (vpro etc) as bussiness lines tend to. you may be safer with what dell would otherwise sell as a consumer desktop or gaming rig, minus the fancy graphics card unless your going to use it. but, if thats a big part of your work, you may be better off with linux + kvm or something else instead of qubes. AMT/vPro is simply an addon to ME - setting it to disabled or not configuring it is the same as not having it at all - either way you have ME and all it's wonderful security problems. A certain company has brainwashed people in to believing a system without a vPro license is secure from ME attacks, it isn't - there literally isn't any difference at all. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "qubes-users" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to qubes-users+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to qubes-users@googlegroups.com. To view this discussion on the web visit https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/qubes-users/53c86f69-6261-17d4-1990-d5c473f25cb6%40gmx.com. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
Re: [qubes-users] Best options for a 4.x compatible Dell workstation
On 2017-09-12 05:32, pixel fairy wrote: > On Monday, September 11, 2017 at 10:31:56 PM UTC-7, pixel fairy wrote: >> given that appvms cant use 3d acceleration anyway, your best bet is intel >> graphics. if your going to give a gpu to a vm, then it depends on the os of >> that vm. >> >> last i checked, nvidia is fine with virtualization of quadro cards. >> >> make sure the workstation doesnt have AMT (vpro etc) as bussiness lines tend >> to. you may be safer with what dell would otherwise sell as a consumer >> desktop or gaming rig, minus the fancy graphics card unless your going to >> use it. but, if thats a big part of your work, you may be better off with >> linux + kvm or something else instead of qubes. > > damn nonlinear editing. that last sentence was supposed to go at the > end of the first paragraph. Well, the good news is that enabling vPro on a Dell is an extra option that you can select (costs $19), so I made sure that selection was off. Thanks for the heads up. The newer Xeon chips in the E5 Series no longer include on-board processor graphics, so Intel graphics isn't an option if I go this route. They can handle a lot more RAM (1.2TB vs. 64GB) and have more cores (10 vs. 4). There's generally a lot more I could do simultaneously with this chip it seems looking at the specs. Researching through these forums and even the Qubes Docs there seems to be a "stay away from nVidia" theme; That's why I was focusing on the AMD graphics card option. Is nVidia Quadro a viable option? Using the Dell configurator, and plugging in RedHat Linux 7.2 as the OS I find that the very newest AMD FirePro graphics card I selected isn't compatible. (I'm assuming RHEL 7.2 is a roughly equivalent to the Fedora 23 in dom0) So I dropped down to the older W5100 card and that seemed to work for them. The graphics aren't really a big part of my work. I just want a box that will be ready to run Qubes v4. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "qubes-users" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to qubes-users+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to qubes-users@googlegroups.com. To view this discussion on the web visit https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/qubes-users/47474469fc53f6c87fec3a43c44b9863%40riseup.net. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
Re: [qubes-users] Best options for a 4.x compatible Dell workstation
On Monday, September 11, 2017 at 10:31:56 PM UTC-7, pixel fairy wrote: > given that appvms cant use 3d acceleration anyway, your best bet is intel > graphics. if your going to give a gpu to a vm, then it depends on the os of > that vm. > > last i checked, nvidia is fine with virtualization of quadro cards. > > make sure the workstation doesnt have AMT (vpro etc) as bussiness lines tend > to. you may be safer with what dell would otherwise sell as a consumer > desktop or gaming rig, minus the fancy graphics card unless your going to use > it. but, if thats a big part of your work, you may be better off with linux + > kvm or something else instead of qubes. damn nonlinear editing. that last sentence was supposed to go at the end of the first paragraph. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "qubes-users" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to qubes-users+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to qubes-users@googlegroups.com. To view this discussion on the web visit https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/qubes-users/651d3c74-40af-4d66-a838-5c4db6282ce8%40googlegroups.com. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
Re: [qubes-users] Best options for a 4.x compatible Dell workstation
given that appvms cant use 3d acceleration anyway, your best bet is intel graphics. if your going to give a gpu to a vm, then it depends on the os of that vm. last i checked, nvidia is fine with virtualization of quadro cards. make sure the workstation doesnt have AMT (vpro etc) as bussiness lines tend to. you may be safer with what dell would otherwise sell as a consumer desktop or gaming rig, minus the fancy graphics card unless your going to use it. but, if thats a big part of your work, you may be better off with linux + kvm or something else instead of qubes. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "qubes-users" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to qubes-users+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to qubes-users@googlegroups.com. To view this discussion on the web visit https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/qubes-users/0fb64ef4-15cf-4d34-aeed-73c3f45d6c66%40googlegroups.com. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
Re: [qubes-users] Best options for a 4.x compatible Dell workstation
On 2017-09-11 12:34, Gaijin wrote: > On 2017-09-11 10:17, taii...@gmx.com wrote: >> On 09/11/2017 05:45 AM, Gaijin wrote: >> >>> My company forces me to only buy Dell hardware. They're OK with me >>> running Qubes on my next workstation, but I'm a bit unsure about what >>> hardware options to choose, and would appreciate any advice. >> That's pretty lame you can't build your own and get a real mans >> computer - one that is owner controlled (ex: talos2, kcma-d8/kgpe-d16) >>> Being uncertain of the Qubes 4.x requirements more than a year ago I put >>> in a request for a Dell Precision T5810 workstation with: >>> CPU: Xeon E5-2630 v4 (10 cores) >>> RAM: 64GB 2400MHz DDR4 RDIMM ECC RAM >>> Graphics: AMD FirePro W7100 >>> >>> However, looking at the 4.x requirements page and some forum threads, it >>> doesn't sound like AMD graphics cards are very Qubes-friendly. My only >>> other option at this product level is an nVidia Quadro (or AMD Radeon). >> Nonsense, as with any linux video driver issue it depends on how new >> the hardware is. >> The professional series card means you can contact AMD for skilled >> tech support, I would also get Dell's ProSupport so that you can get >> an american on the phone. >> >> Nvidia is unfriendly to open source and virtualization (on their >> consumer devices) even more than AMD these days so I wouldn't, I for >> one dislike recompiling the kernel every time I update an nvidia >> computer running linux. >>> I'd like to know if this looks like a good setup to proceed with, or if >>> I should consider something else (within the Dell lineup/options). >>> >>> If I wanted to get a Xeon chip with the built-in Intel Graphics built in >>> I could look at the Precision 3000 series where they offer machines with >>> a Xeon E3-1275 with only 4 cores, and a maximum of 64GB RAM. Only >>> problem there is that I run a lot of simultaneous Qubes, including >>> Windows, so I was concerned that I couldn't expand the RAM on this >>> machine in the future if necessary. I'll be stuck with this machine >>> quite a while, so I wanted to make the most of this purchase. >> 64gb is fine, if you want to save your (their?) money. > > Yeah, I suggested some other hardware, but they wouldn't budge on that > point, so I have to make do with Dell. I'll have to save the good stuff > for the home build... > > So you think I could get away with the AMD graphics card and the E5 Xeon > setup? Or will I be saving myself a lot of hassle by going with the > integrated Intel graphics on the slightly lower end processor? > > Part of my motivation here is to hopefully have Qubes up and running on > this machine without too much hassle...like recompiling kernels or > spending tons of time with support. Was wondering about this myself. Are the AMD graphics cards better than nVidia? -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "qubes-users" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to qubes-users+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to qubes-users@googlegroups.com. To view this discussion on the web visit https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/qubes-users/d34f46ce865532f27d32f0714ad887d4%40riseup.net. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
Re: [qubes-users] Best options for a 4.x compatible Dell workstation
On 2017-09-11 10:17, taii...@gmx.com wrote: > On 09/11/2017 05:45 AM, Gaijin wrote: > >> My company forces me to only buy Dell hardware. They're OK with me >> running Qubes on my next workstation, but I'm a bit unsure about what >> hardware options to choose, and would appreciate any advice. > That's pretty lame you can't build your own and get a real mans > computer - one that is owner controlled (ex: talos2, kcma-d8/kgpe-d16) >> Being uncertain of the Qubes 4.x requirements more than a year ago I put >> in a request for a Dell Precision T5810 workstation with: >> CPU: Xeon E5-2630 v4 (10 cores) >> RAM: 64GB 2400MHz DDR4 RDIMM ECC RAM >> Graphics: AMD FirePro W7100 >> >> However, looking at the 4.x requirements page and some forum threads, it >> doesn't sound like AMD graphics cards are very Qubes-friendly. My only >> other option at this product level is an nVidia Quadro (or AMD Radeon). > Nonsense, as with any linux video driver issue it depends on how new > the hardware is. > The professional series card means you can contact AMD for skilled > tech support, I would also get Dell's ProSupport so that you can get > an american on the phone. > > Nvidia is unfriendly to open source and virtualization (on their > consumer devices) even more than AMD these days so I wouldn't, I for > one dislike recompiling the kernel every time I update an nvidia > computer running linux. >> I'd like to know if this looks like a good setup to proceed with, or if >> I should consider something else (within the Dell lineup/options). >> >> If I wanted to get a Xeon chip with the built-in Intel Graphics built in >> I could look at the Precision 3000 series where they offer machines with >> a Xeon E3-1275 with only 4 cores, and a maximum of 64GB RAM. Only >> problem there is that I run a lot of simultaneous Qubes, including >> Windows, so I was concerned that I couldn't expand the RAM on this >> machine in the future if necessary. I'll be stuck with this machine >> quite a while, so I wanted to make the most of this purchase. > 64gb is fine, if you want to save your (their?) money. Yeah, I suggested some other hardware, but they wouldn't budge on that point, so I have to make do with Dell. I'll have to save the good stuff for the home build... So you think I could get away with the AMD graphics card and the E5 Xeon setup? Or will I be saving myself a lot of hassle by going with the integrated Intel graphics on the slightly lower end processor? Part of my motivation here is to hopefully have Qubes up and running on this machine without too much hassle...like recompiling kernels or spending tons of time with support. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "qubes-users" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to qubes-users+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to qubes-users@googlegroups.com. To view this discussion on the web visit https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/qubes-users/e81f4f03f5c9193f12ebe2eb7a114d5f%40riseup.net. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
Re: [qubes-users] Best options for a 4.x compatible Dell workstation
On 09/11/2017 05:45 AM, Gaijin wrote: My company forces me to only buy Dell hardware. They're OK with me running Qubes on my next workstation, but I'm a bit unsure about what hardware options to choose, and would appreciate any advice. That's pretty lame you can't build your own and get a real mans computer - one that is owner controlled (ex: talos2, kcma-d8/kgpe-d16) Being uncertain of the Qubes 4.x requirements more than a year ago I put in a request for a Dell Precision T5810 workstation with: CPU: Xeon E5-2630 v4 (10 cores) RAM: 64GB 2400MHz DDR4 RDIMM ECC RAM Graphics: AMD FirePro W7100 However, looking at the 4.x requirements page and some forum threads, it doesn't sound like AMD graphics cards are very Qubes-friendly. My only other option at this product level is an nVidia Quadro (or AMD Radeon). Nonsense, as with any linux video driver issue it depends on how new the hardware is. The professional series card means you can contact AMD for skilled tech support, I would also get Dell's ProSupport so that you can get an american on the phone. Nvidia is unfriendly to open source and virtualization (on their consumer devices) even more than AMD these days so I wouldn't, I for one dislike recompiling the kernel every time I update an nvidia computer running linux. I'd like to know if this looks like a good setup to proceed with, or if I should consider something else (within the Dell lineup/options). If I wanted to get a Xeon chip with the built-in Intel Graphics built in I could look at the Precision 3000 series where they offer machines with a Xeon E3-1275 with only 4 cores, and a maximum of 64GB RAM. Only problem there is that I run a lot of simultaneous Qubes, including Windows, so I was concerned that I couldn't expand the RAM on this machine in the future if necessary. I'll be stuck with this machine quite a while, so I wanted to make the most of this purchase. 64gb is fine, if you want to save your (their?) money. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "qubes-users" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to qubes-users+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to qubes-users@googlegroups.com. To view this discussion on the web visit https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/qubes-users/7d035224-af41-be61-6244-e0827081ee15%40gmx.com. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
[qubes-users] Best options for a 4.x compatible Dell workstation
My company forces me to only buy Dell hardware. They're OK with me running Qubes on my next workstation, but I'm a bit unsure about what hardware options to choose, and would appreciate any advice. Being uncertain of the Qubes 4.x requirements more than a year ago I put in a request for a Dell Precision T5810 workstation with: CPU: Xeon E5-2630 v4 (10 cores) RAM: 64GB 2400MHz DDR4 RDIMM ECC RAM Graphics: AMD FirePro W7100 However, looking at the 4.x requirements page and some forum threads, it doesn't sound like AMD graphics cards are very Qubes-friendly. My only other option at this product level is an nVidia Quadro (or AMD Radeon). I'd like to know if this looks like a good setup to proceed with, or if I should consider something else (within the Dell lineup/options). If I wanted to get a Xeon chip with the built-in Intel Graphics built in I could look at the Precision 3000 series where they offer machines with a Xeon E3-1275 with only 4 cores, and a maximum of 64GB RAM. Only problem there is that I run a lot of simultaneous Qubes, including Windows, so I was concerned that I couldn't expand the RAM on this machine in the future if necessary. I'll be stuck with this machine quite a while, so I wanted to make the most of this purchase. Should I stick with my original configuration, or would you suggest other options? I really want a machine that will be 4.x compatible, that would have the least potential hardware issues. I'm not doing video editing or gaming, but I run a lot of VMs at the same time that might be memory hungry. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "qubes-users" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to qubes-users+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to qubes-users@googlegroups.com. To view this discussion on the web visit https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/qubes-users/758ab18f99365c9f2d4b5b8317d17b63%40riseup.net. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
