subject:"\[qubes\-users\] Can no longer copy text from xterm by default"

Re: [qubes-users] Can no longer copy text from xterm by default

2020-12-12 Thread Andrew David Wong

On 12/10/20 8:14 PM, unman wrote:

On Fri, Dec 11, 2020 at 03:56:16AM +, unman wrote:

On Thu, Dec 10, 2020 at 06:47:16PM -0800, Andrew David Wong wrote:

On 12/10/20 6:25 AM, unman wrote:

On Wed, Dec 09, 2020 at 06:49:35PM -0800, Andrew David Wong wrote:

I used to be able to be able to do the following to copy text from xterm in
Fedora and Debian VMs:

1. Select/highlight the desired text, thereby inserting it into the PRIMARY
buffer.

2. Press in order to bring up a menu (I think
it was the "VT Options" menu).

3. In this menu, select the option to copy text from the PRIMARY buffer to
that VM's local clipboard.

4. Press to copy text to the Qubes inter-VM clipboard and
proceed as usual.

However, some time ago, step 2 suddenly stopped working, and I have no idea
why. Pressing in xterm now does nothing, as far
as I can tell. I've checked my trackpad/mouse settings, and everything seems
fine and unchanged. I've tried pressing the left and right mouse buttons
simultaneously instead, but nothing.

I know that I can probably create custom xterm settings that will allow me
to copy text, but I'd still like to know whether there's a way to do it by
default for cases in which the VM is uncustomized. Does anyone know if there
is such a way?

On Debian you can hold down the Ctrl key before pressing the button, to get the
VT options menu. See if that works for you. Does for me.

No, that's exactly the behavior I described as no longer working for me.
means the same thing as holding down Ctrl
before pressing the middle mouse button.

In my experience, holding a key down *before* another action does not
always work the same as performing both actions simultaneously, so I
did not think that these "meant the same thing".

Ah, interesting. In my experience, they've always meant the same thing
in the context of computing, but I suppose it's possible that some
systems treat them differently.

Can you call up the Main options, and Font menus using buttons 1 and 2?

Yes, those are still working as expected.

Add "XTerm*selectToClipboard:true" to ~/.Xdefaults and you need not
invoke the menu

Right. As mentioned above, I'm aware that I can customize the xterm
settings in order to able to copy text, but I'd still like to know
whether there's a way to do it with the default settings for cases in
which the VM is uncustomized.

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Re: [qubes-users] Can no longer copy text from xterm by default

2020-12-10 Thread unman

On Fri, Dec 11, 2020 at 03:56:16AM +, unman wrote:
> On Thu, Dec 10, 2020 at 06:47:16PM -0800, Andrew David Wong wrote:
> > On 12/10/20 6:25 AM, unman wrote:
> > > On Wed, Dec 09, 2020 at 06:49:35PM -0800, Andrew David Wong wrote:
> > > > I used to be able to be able to do the following to copy text from 
> > > > xterm in
> > > > Fedora and Debian VMs:
> > > > 
> > > > 1. Select/highlight the desired text, thereby inserting it into the 
> > > > PRIMARY
> > > > buffer.
> > > > 
> > > > 2. Press  in order to bring up a menu (I 
> > > > think
> > > > it was the "VT Options" menu).
> > > > 
> > > > 3. In this menu, select the option to copy text from the PRIMARY buffer 
> > > > to
> > > > that VM's local clipboard.
> > > > 
> > > > 4. Press  to copy text to the Qubes inter-VM 
> > > > clipboard and
> > > > proceed as usual.
> > > > 
> > > > However, some time ago, step 2 suddenly stopped working, and I have no 
> > > > idea
> > > > why. Pressing  in xterm now does nothing, 
> > > > as far
> > > > as I can tell. I've checked my trackpad/mouse settings, and everything 
> > > > seems
> > > > fine and unchanged. I've tried pressing the left and right mouse buttons
> > > > simultaneously instead, but nothing.
> > > > 
> > > > I know that I can probably create custom xterm settings that will allow 
> > > > me
> > > > to copy text, but I'd still like to know whether there's a way to do it 
> > > > by
> > > > default for cases in which the VM is uncustomized. Does anyone know if 
> > > > there
> > > > is such a way?
> > > > 
> > > 
> > > On Debian you can hold down the Ctrl key before pressing the button, to 
> > > get the
> > > VT options menu. See if that works for you. Does for me.
> > > 
> > 
> > No, that's exactly the behavior I described as no longer working for me.
> >  means the same thing as holding down Ctrl
> > before pressing the middle mouse button.
> > 
> 
> In my experience, holding a key down *before* another action does not
> always work the same as performing both actions simultaneously, so I
> did not think that these "meant the same thing".
> Can you call up the Main options, and Font menus using buttons 1 and 2?
> 

Add "XTerm*selectToClipboard:true" to ~/.Xdefaults and you need not
invoke the menu

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Re: [qubes-users] Can no longer copy text from xterm by default

2020-12-10 Thread unman

On Thu, Dec 10, 2020 at 06:47:16PM -0800, Andrew David Wong wrote:
> On 12/10/20 6:25 AM, unman wrote:
> > On Wed, Dec 09, 2020 at 06:49:35PM -0800, Andrew David Wong wrote:
> > > I used to be able to be able to do the following to copy text from xterm 
> > > in
> > > Fedora and Debian VMs:
> > > 
> > > 1. Select/highlight the desired text, thereby inserting it into the 
> > > PRIMARY
> > > buffer.
> > > 
> > > 2. Press  in order to bring up a menu (I think
> > > it was the "VT Options" menu).
> > > 
> > > 3. In this menu, select the option to copy text from the PRIMARY buffer to
> > > that VM's local clipboard.
> > > 
> > > 4. Press  to copy text to the Qubes inter-VM clipboard 
> > > and
> > > proceed as usual.
> > > 
> > > However, some time ago, step 2 suddenly stopped working, and I have no 
> > > idea
> > > why. Pressing  in xterm now does nothing, as 
> > > far
> > > as I can tell. I've checked my trackpad/mouse settings, and everything 
> > > seems
> > > fine and unchanged. I've tried pressing the left and right mouse buttons
> > > simultaneously instead, but nothing.
> > > 
> > > I know that I can probably create custom xterm settings that will allow me
> > > to copy text, but I'd still like to know whether there's a way to do it by
> > > default for cases in which the VM is uncustomized. Does anyone know if 
> > > there
> > > is such a way?
> > > 
> > 
> > On Debian you can hold down the Ctrl key before pressing the button, to get 
> > the
> > VT options menu. See if that works for you. Does for me.
> > 
> 
> No, that's exactly the behavior I described as no longer working for me.
>  means the same thing as holding down Ctrl
> before pressing the middle mouse button.
> 

In my experience, holding a key down *before* another action does not
always work the same as performing both actions simultaneously, so I
did not think that these "meant the same thing".
Can you call up the Main options, and Font menus using buttons 1 and 2?

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Re: [qubes-users] Can no longer copy text from xterm by default

2020-12-10 Thread Andrew David Wong