Re: [qubes-users] Has anybody gotten increased scrutiny at an international checkpoint because of having qubes installed?

2019-12-10 Thread duc01k
billol...@gmail.com:
> 
> 
>>
>> Is there actually anyone working on the hidden OS option for the 
>> linux? Would be very much appreciated. 
>>
>>
> 
> Hah. I actually did something like this by accident the first time I 
> installed Qubes.  I had KDE neon installed, and I couldn't get it to dual 
> boot correctly.  It turned out that the order in which I installed the OSes 
> made a difference.  
> 
> In any case, my laptop has two drives -- a 256G SSD and a 1 TB conventional 
> hard drive.  I got frustrated trying to get it to work, so simply installed 
> one OS on the SSD and one on the hard drive, each with it's own MBR, UEFI 
> setup and grub.  So, if you turned the machine on, it defaulted to booting 
> into KDE neon, and booted from the hard drive.  If I wanted to boot from 
> Qubes, I had to frantically hit the escape key and choose to boot from the 
> MBR on the SSD in the BIOS/startup menu.
> 
> I thought it was kind of cool, but decided I was wasting disk space so 
> deleted everything when rc2 came out and just use Qubes now -- though I 
> wish KDE worked better...
> 
> billo
> 

If you're travelling to the US, then there's /some/ good news:

https://www.eff.org/deeplinks/2019/11/federal-judge-issues-historic-opinion-digital-privacy-border

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Re: [qubes-users] Has anybody gotten increased scrutiny at an international checkpoint because of having qubes installed?

2019-12-09 Thread billollib


>
> Is there actually anyone working on the hidden OS option for the 
> linux? Would be very much appreciated. 
>
>

Hah. I actually did something like this by accident the first time I 
installed Qubes.  I had KDE neon installed, and I couldn't get it to dual 
boot correctly.  It turned out that the order in which I installed the OSes 
made a difference.  

In any case, my laptop has two drives -- a 256G SSD and a 1 TB conventional 
hard drive.  I got frustrated trying to get it to work, so simply installed 
one OS on the SSD and one on the hard drive, each with it's own MBR, UEFI 
setup and grub.  So, if you turned the machine on, it defaulted to booting 
into KDE neon, and booted from the hard drive.  If I wanted to boot from 
Qubes, I had to frantically hit the escape key and choose to boot from the 
MBR on the SSD in the BIOS/startup menu.

I thought it was kind of cool, but decided I was wasting disk space so 
deleted everything when rc2 came out and just use Qubes now -- though I 
wish KDE worked better...

billo

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Re: [qubes-users] Has anybody gotten increased scrutiny at an international checkpoint because of having qubes installed?

2019-12-09 Thread haaber

Is there actually anyone working on the hidden OS option for the
linux? Would be very much appreciated.


What's about this: take a harddrive, make a dd copy of your first 128 GB
data on it. Encrypt it additionally (symmetric cipher), if you wish to
avoid any luks or other headers. Hide it, if you wish. Now make a 100GB
partition, (thereby overwriting qubes), install std linux on it, give it
some plausibility data and pass the frontier. Once passed, you pull out
your harddrive, and dd qubes back.

Or: host your HD-content encrypted attached to your favourite raspberry
@home, re-install a vanilla-debian, and pass border. Once there, install
a fresh qubes form iso, fetch your data over internet and import it.

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Re: [qubes-users] Has anybody gotten increased scrutiny at an international checkpoint because of having qubes installed?

2019-12-09 Thread haaber


Carry another then, that's the safest.

The easy solution (if you accept some "risks") that works as well is a
micro-usb & some std linux on it, that is already booted. Give it a
family picture background with sweet kids & some green :) And two or
three non-sense documents that you can open.


I agree with this.

Also, the lack of understanding by border agents how digital devices
work amazes me. What the heck are they even expecting to achieve by
trying to search someone's device? Hunt for serious criminals? LOL.


I always encountered idiots. But if you go the the excited states be
careful. They are as idiotic s others but use powerful tools they do not
understand. A single "I take this with me for a routine check" and you
better are able to run some serious anti-AEM measures afterwards.


If some person wanted to smuggle data (i.e. child porno) into the
country, he would simply have to upload an encrypted ZIP container to a
remote server, enter the country with a blank device and redownload it
once inside. It's not even that difficult to do even for an average user.

I will give no help to carry forbidden and unethical data, but please
never use zip when security matters.


So I really don't see a legitimate reason to search electronic devices
at borders. Data smuggling is just too easy. The worst thing they can do
someone who knows what he's doing is be an annoyance.

They infect your device. You don't necessarily see it, and they don't
know that they actually do it. That's their job.

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Re: [qubes-users] Has anybody gotten increased scrutiny at an international checkpoint because of having qubes installed?

2019-12-09 Thread Defiant
On 8. 12. 19 18:47, haaber wrote:
>
> I I will be doing some international travel in the upcoming months.  In
>> the past, I have had to turn on my laptop, and once I had to bring the
>> system fully up and allow people to see my desktop -- though nobody has
>> actually seized and gone through my computer as yet.  Has anybody gotten
>> increased scrutiny because they were running an enhanced security OS
>> such as qubes when entering a country?  If qubes is a "red flag," then
>> I'll carry a different laptop.
> 
> Carry another then, that's the safest.
> 
> The easy solution (if you accept some "risks") that works as well is a
> micro-usb & some std linux on it, that is already booted. Give it a
> family picture background with sweet kids & some green :) And two or
> three non-sense documents that you can open.
>
I agree with this.

Also, the lack of understanding by border agents how digital devices
work amazes me. What the heck are they even expecting to achieve by
trying to search someone's device? Hunt for serious criminals? LOL.

If some person wanted to smuggle data (i.e. child porno) into the
country, he would simply have to upload an encrypted ZIP container to a
remote server, enter the country with a blank device and redownload it
once inside. It's not even that difficult to do even for an average user.

So I really don't see a legitimate reason to search electronic devices
at borders. Data smuggling is just too easy. The worst thing they can do
someone who knows what he's doing is be an annoyance.


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Re: [qubes-users] Has anybody gotten increased scrutiny at an international checkpoint because of having qubes installed?

2019-12-09 Thread scurge1tl
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haaber:
> I I will be doing some international travel in the upcoming months.
> In
>> the past, I have had to turn on my laptop, and once I had to
>> bring the system fully up and allow people to see my desktop --
>> though nobody has actually seized and gone through my computer as
>> yet.  Has anybody gotten increased scrutiny because they were
>> running an enhanced security OS such as qubes when entering a
>> country?  If qubes is a "red flag," then I'll carry a different
>> laptop.
>
> Carry another then, that's the safest.
>
> The easy solution (if you accept some "risks") that works as well
> is a micro-usb & some std linux on it, that is already booted. Give
> it a family picture background with sweet kids & some green :) And
> two or three non-sense documents that you can open.
>
>

Unfortunately with linux we still don't have the hidden OS option
available in Vercrypt for Windows systems, where you can one decoy and
another real system on the same HDD.
Till this increasingly needed feature is available, we will need to be
extremely creative. Border searches are more and more common and can
beat your secure position easily.

Is there actually anyone working on the hidden OS option for the
linux? Would be very much appreciated.

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Re: [qubes-users] Has anybody gotten increased scrutiny at an international checkpoint because of having qubes installed?

2019-12-08 Thread haaber

I I will be doing some international travel in the upcoming months.  In

the past, I have had to turn on my laptop, and once I had to bring the
system fully up and allow people to see my desktop -- though nobody has
actually seized and gone through my computer as yet.  Has anybody gotten
increased scrutiny because they were running an enhanced security OS
such as qubes when entering a country?  If qubes is a "red flag," then
I'll carry a different laptop.


Carry another then, that's the safest.

The easy solution (if you accept some "risks") that works as well is a
micro-usb & some std linux on it, that is already booted. Give it a
family picture background with sweet kids & some green :) And two or
three non-sense documents that you can open.


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[qubes-users] Has anybody gotten increased scrutiny at an international checkpoint because of having qubes installed?

2019-12-08 Thread billollib

I will be doing some international travel in the upcoming months.  In the 
past, I have had to turn on my laptop, and once I had to bring the system 
fully up and allow people to see my desktop -- though nobody has actually 
seized and gone through my computer as yet.  Has anybody gotten increased 
scrutiny because they were running an enhanced security OS such as qubes 
when entering a country?  If qubes is a "red flag," then I'll carry a 
different laptop.

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