[qubes-users] New HCL Entry: Lenovo ThinkPad T470 (20HDCTO1WW)

2018-01-23 Thread leonardo . porpora2000
I have got problems on installing qubes r4.0 on the Lenovo pc. I get a kernel 
panic. Where can I publish the photo of the screen? Please help me :)

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Re: [qubes-users] New HCL Entry: Lenovo ThinkPad T470 (20HDCTO1WW)

2018-01-08 Thread rysiek
Dnia Saturday, January 6, 2018 9:32:20 PM CET Sven Semmler pisze:
> On 12/15/2017 03:20 AM, kotot...@gmail.com wrote:
> > It does boot but the X server cannot start. Text installation did
> > not work.
> 
> Based on swami's post from 9/15/17 I suspect you need kernel 4.9 in
> dom0 ...
> 
> https://groups.google.com/d/msg/qubes-users/ZFZT7mQNeWY/xZ1AiCYOAwAJ

I can confirm that T470 won't work with stock R3.2 kernel. Just go for R4.0, 
works pretty well.

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[qubes-users] New HCL Entry: Lenovo ThinkPad T470 (20HDCTO1WW)

2018-01-07 Thread leonardo . porpora2000
Sorry man,
My question might be a duplicate but I’m not really good in IT would you be so 
nice to tell me with which of these components is that laptop compatible HVM
 IOMMU   SLATTPM Xen Kernel
Let me know. 
Thanks very much 
Leonardo 

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Re: [qubes-users] New HCL Entry: Lenovo ThinkPad T470 (20HDCTO1WW)

2018-01-07 Thread kototamo
Thanks everyone for the replies. I finally opted for RC3 and after fixing the 
iso with a live fedora and livecd-tools it went almost almost without problems. 
The only problem was that the keyboard layout chosen during the installation 
was not taken in account for promting the encryption password when booting.

I hope I will not encounter too much bugs with it and be able to work. It seems 
okay for the few hours I had to use it and even more resistant to usb devices 
being physically disconnected without detaching them than 3.2. 

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Re: [qubes-users] New HCL Entry: Lenovo ThinkPad T470 (20HDCTO1WW)

2018-01-06 Thread Josef Johansson
Just to note this here, we tried to install Qubes 3.2 on a T470p with intel
and nvidia graphics, with secureboot off and starting the installer through
refind. It all went fine, except that neither ethernet nor wifi was
detected ( solvable through fw updates I assume ). X started ok though.

/Josef

On Fri, 15 Dec 2017, 20:23 Josef Johansson,  wrote:

> Sorry, I missed that part of your reply. I was answering both of you :)
>
> I'll see if I can get Qubes 3.2 running on my T470p in the weekend if
> there's time. My collegue ended up with 4.0 with legacy boot to get
> everything working, so I just started from there. Using it for critical
> work and so far it's quite stable.
>
> Regards
>
>
> Josef
>
> On Fri, 15 Dec 2017, 16:20 ,  wrote:
>
>> Thank you for your reply.
>>
>> Could you explain to me why using EFI would solve the problem of the X
>> server not starting?
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Re: [qubes-users] New HCL Entry: Lenovo ThinkPad T470 (20HDCTO1WW)

2018-01-06 Thread Sven Semmler
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On 12/15/2017 03:20 AM, kotot...@gmail.com wrote:
> It does boot but the X server cannot start. Text installation did
> not work.

Based on swami's post from 9/15/17 I suspect you need kernel 4.9 in
dom0 ...

https://groups.google.com/d/msg/qubes-users/ZFZT7mQNeWY/xZ1AiCYOAwAJ

> In BIOS setup, disable Secure Boot and set graphics mode to
> DISCRETE, otherwise the graphical installer won't start - You can
> set graphics mode back to Hybrid once Qubes is installed an kernel
> is upgraded to 4.9.45-21.pvops.qubes.x86_64

He is talking about a ThinkPad P51 which has both DISCRETE (NVidia only)
and HYBRID (Intel with option to switch to NVidia) graphics. I just
recently installed Qubes 3.2 on ThinkPad P51 and posted my experience to
qubes-users and my website:

http://svensemmler.org/blog/2017/12/17/qubes-on-thinkpad-p51.html

There I also describe an alternative to Stephan Marwedel's approach to
the network drivers. I used an Ethernet-to-USB adapter to run the
initial dom0 update.

Anyway, all that doesn't help you.

1. Text install is not working for you
2. X server with Intel graphics needs dom0 on 4.9
3. Install media of Qubes 3.2 is kernel 4.4

So you either get R4 to work (my last attempt with RC3 was rough - but
your mileage may differ) OR you give Frédéric Pierret's _unofficial_
R3.3 a try ...

https://groups.google.com/d/msg/qubes-users/4le5YK2V9Qg/HrdmUi6dBAAJ

/Sven



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Re: [qubes-users] New HCL Entry: Lenovo ThinkPad T470 (20HDCTO1WW)

2017-12-15 Thread Josef Johansson
Sorry, I missed that part of your reply. I was answering both of you :)

I'll see if I can get Qubes 3.2 running on my T470p in the weekend if
there's time. My collegue ended up with 4.0 with legacy boot to get
everything working, so I just started from there. Using it for critical
work and so far it's quite stable.

Regards
Josef

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> Thank you for your reply.
>
> Could you explain to me why using EFI would solve the problem of the X
> server not starting?
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Re: [qubes-users] New HCL Entry: Lenovo ThinkPad T470 (20HDCTO1WW)

2017-12-15 Thread kototamo
Thank you for your reply.

Could you explain to me why using EFI would solve the problem of the X server 
not starting?

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Re: [qubes-users] New HCL Entry: Lenovo ThinkPad T470 (20HDCTO1WW)

2017-12-15 Thread Josef Johansson
Hi,

I would try my path, download rEFInd to another usb-stick and boot the
installer from there.

The only file you need is the EFI-file:
https://sourceforge.net/projects/refind/

Also, that is an interesting data point as well, the bootx64.efi loader on
the usb install works if it is started through rEFInd.

Cheers
Josef

On Fri, 15 Dec 2017, 05:00 ,  wrote:

> OK, here is (I hope) a *public* version of said screen shot:
>
> https://photos.google.com/share/AF1QipMRlHUC5EOV-PQD5kfWWfCp9BDroAHDXGAFdWcq_SrmJhfhnHHOF6ZvYU7-JenLOA?key=MlJxWFRyZm1OTHBnWXpHd1pfUXNVYzJjMmJsTlRR
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Re: [qubes-users] New HCL Entry: Lenovo ThinkPad T470 (20HDCTO1WW)

2017-12-15 Thread kototamo
Hello everyone,

I tried to install Qubes 3.2 on a T470s without success. I have the version 
with the Intel graphics. I did everything in Legacy Mode (no EFI). It does boot 
but the X server cannot start. Text installation did not work.

Stephan Marwedel says in this thread he managed to install 3.2. How?

I cannot wait for version 4 to come in January or later and installing RC 
version is risky since I need the laptop for work and no migration path from RC 
to candidate is guaranteed by the Qubes OS team.

Any help will be highly appreciated!

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Re: [qubes-users] New HCL Entry: Lenovo ThinkPad T470 (20HDCTO1WW)

2017-12-14 Thread pub08goog
OK, here is (I hope) a *public* version of said screen shot:
https://photos.google.com/share/AF1QipMRlHUC5EOV-PQD5kfWWfCp9BDroAHDXGAFdWcq_SrmJhfhnHHOF6ZvYU7-JenLOA?key=MlJxWFRyZm1OTHBnWXpHd1pfUXNVYzJjMmJsTlRR

(Just learning Google Photo, Google+, gmail, etc., for purposes of this post.  
Until now I've been able to avoid them :-/ )

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Re: [qubes-users] New HCL Entry: Lenovo ThinkPad T470 (20HDCTO1WW)

2017-12-14 Thread Eric Siegerman
Here's a screenshot of the above-described boot error:
https://photos.google.com/photo/AF1QipMO-vL-kcyiORVEZ5P4ydjpdBJwwzzTZ00JuNm1

On Thu, Dec 14, 2017 at 10:04 PM,  wrote:

> > Does anyone have an idea what the difference livecd-iso-to-disk make,
> > compared to isohybrid? If possible, we'd like to installation iso work
> > out of the box on UEFI systems, including new ones...
>
> No, but I have what seems like another data point.  On my Lenovo
> T520 under UEFI, trying to boot the 4.0rc3 installer produces
> similar symptoms: whichever option I choose from the grub menu,
> the screen goes blank briefly (I didn't measure, but probably
> <2sec), then comes back to the grub menu.  Repeat ad nauseam.
>
> But if I try the same thing from EFI Shell (version 1, because my
> UEFI firmware's too old to support version 2), I get this:
> Read failed for initrd.img: Device error
> fs1:\EFI\BOOT># i.e. it comes right back to the shell prompt
>
> And sure enough, when I try again from grub, I can *sometimes*
> see a very brief flash of purple before the grub menu returns.  I
> suspect that Qubes/Xen is displaying the same message, but then
> grub is clearing the screen too quickly for me to read it.
>
> Details:
>   - Hardware: Lenovo T520, model 4239-CTO (this laptop was bought
> in 2012, and has been happily running Ubuntu in UEFI mode
> ever since)
>
>   - BIOS: 8AET56WW (1.36 ) 12/06/2011
>   - I think the UEFI version is 2.0, but not totally sure
>
>   - TPM *disabled* (one thing at a time, y'know?)
>
>   - I'm not using USB, but rather a real DVD+R, burned directly
> from the (signature-verified) .iso
>
>   - I've verified the DVD media against the original .iso image
> *after* seeing these symptoms, which suggests it isn't an
> actual media error
>
> So, two things:
>   - If this is helpful (and it's a solvable problem), awesome!
>
>   - I'd suggest adding a "Hit  to continue" (perhaps with
> timeout) after a failed boot attempt, to keep any error
> message on screen for a while
>
> > I wonder if Fedora netinst iso (_not_ Live iso) boot on such new
> > hardware, after directly dd-ing it to USB stick. Can you check that?
>
> I already have :-)  Fedora 27 netinst (again, signature-verified
> and burned to optical media) boots successfully.  I aborted the
> installer at its first (language) prompt.  I was't sure which
> Fedora version 4.0rc3 contains, so picked the newest; if you'd
> like me to test an older one, please let me know -- or if you
> need more information (including a reboot to verify the UEFI
> version).
>
>   - Eric
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Re: [qubes-users] New HCL Entry: Lenovo ThinkPad T470 (20HDCTO1WW)

2017-12-14 Thread pub08goog
> Does anyone have an idea what the difference livecd-iso-to-disk make,
> compared to isohybrid? If possible, we'd like to installation iso work
> out of the box on UEFI systems, including new ones...

No, but I have what seems like another data point.  On my Lenovo
T520 under UEFI, trying to boot the 4.0rc3 installer produces
similar symptoms: whichever option I choose from the grub menu,
the screen goes blank briefly (I didn't measure, but probably
<2sec), then comes back to the grub menu.  Repeat ad nauseam.

But if I try the same thing from EFI Shell (version 1, because my
UEFI firmware's too old to support version 2), I get this:
Read failed for initrd.img: Device error
fs1:\EFI\BOOT># i.e. it comes right back to the shell prompt

And sure enough, when I try again from grub, I can *sometimes*
see a very brief flash of purple before the grub menu returns.  I
suspect that Qubes/Xen is displaying the same message, but then
grub is clearing the screen too quickly for me to read it.

Details:
  - Hardware: Lenovo T520, model 4239-CTO (this laptop was bought
in 2012, and has been happily running Ubuntu in UEFI mode
ever since)

  - BIOS: 8AET56WW (1.36 ) 12/06/2011
  - I think the UEFI version is 2.0, but not totally sure

  - TPM *disabled* (one thing at a time, y'know?)

  - I'm not using USB, but rather a real DVD+R, burned directly
from the (signature-verified) .iso

  - I've verified the DVD media against the original .iso image
*after* seeing these symptoms, which suggests it isn't an
actual media error

So, two things:
  - If this is helpful (and it's a solvable problem), awesome!

  - I'd suggest adding a "Hit  to continue" (perhaps with
timeout) after a failed boot attempt, to keep any error
message on screen for a while

> I wonder if Fedora netinst iso (_not_ Live iso) boot on such new
> hardware, after directly dd-ing it to USB stick. Can you check that?

I already have :-)  Fedora 27 netinst (again, signature-verified
and burned to optical media) boots successfully.  I aborted the
installer at its first (language) prompt.  I was't sure which
Fedora version 4.0rc3 contains, so picked the newest; if you'd
like me to test an older one, please let me know -- or if you
need more information (including a reboot to verify the UEFI
version).

  - Eric

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Re: [qubes-users] New HCL Entry: Lenovo ThinkPad T470 (20HDCTO1WW)

2017-12-04 Thread Andrew Sorensen
On Saturday, December 2, 2017 at 1:02:52 AM UTC-8, Joe Hemmerlein wrote:
> On Friday, December 1, 2017 at 2:01:47 PM UTC-8, Stephan Marwedel wrote:
> > I have installed Qubes 3.2 successfully on my Thinkpad T470p
> >   (20J6CTO1WW). This machine is pretty similar to the T470, except
> >   that is has a quad-core i7 CPU.  It runs perfectly and all Qubes
> >   functionality is available on that machine. The installation,
> >   however, was not an easy task. 
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > 1. Booting: UEFI is not a problem for the Qubes installer, but
> >   you must pay attention on how you created the bootable install
> >   media. Just using dd is not sufficient. I had to use the
> >   livecd-tools from Fedora to create the install media. After
> >   creating the media I had to manually set the partition label to
> >   BOOT using the dosfslabel utility. Otherwise, I was unable to boot
> >   from the media. It was not necessary to fall back to legacy boot
> >   or to mess around with the Grub configuration. 
> > 
> > 
> > 2. Networking: The onboard ethernet  hardware is only supported by a
> > 4.9 kernel or later, but the installer containts a 4.4 kernel. So
> > you have no network in teh sys-net vm. You have to manually download
> > the source of the Intel network driver, compile it and install it
> > using a USB media in the template vm. As soon as you have network
> > access, upgrade dom0 to using the testing or unstable repository.
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > 3. Graphics: The Kaby Lake Intel graphics works well with a newer
> > kernel. 
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > Summary: Prepare the boot media with more care than for older
> > machines. Compile the ethernet network driver manually to enable
> > network access after the install. Upgrade to kernel 4.9 in dom0 as
> > soon as possible to enable graphics and networking support of your
> > Thinkpad.
> 
> Danke, Stephan, your pointers were very valuable!
> 
> At first, I decided to just borrow an external DVD drive and boot off a DVD 
> burned from the ISO, in UEFI mode. The result however was the same as when 
> booting from my previously-created USB stick: grub boots, but no matter what 
> i select, the screen briefly flashes and takes me back to grub. So.. yeah, 
> the ISO image does not appear to be usable out of the box on some UEFI 
> devices, even when burning it to a DVD.
> 
> Your description of the livecd-tools helped make good progress, but still 
> without ability to boot the installer completely, but they sent me in the 
> right direction. I then found 
> https://groups.google.com/forum/#!topic/qubes-users/4VsKdxnKHBk, which 
> described a process very similar to yours (it omits the part about using 
> dosfslabel, but has a part about also updating the xen.cfg file).
> 
> Altogether, this did the trick!
> 
> In condensed form, this is what i did to create a USB install stick that 
> works with UEFI on the T470:
> 1. Use the "livecd-iso-to-disk" utility from fedora livecd-tools to put the 
> ISO image onto an USB stick
> 2. rename the USB stick's partition label to BOOT
> 3. edit the /BOOT/EFI/xen.cfg file on the USB stick's partition to make sure 
> all LABEL= instances are replaced with LABEL=BOOT
> 
> In a bit more detail:
> - booted Fedora 26 live USB stick in UEFI mode
> - installed livecd-tools: sudo dnf install livecd-tools
> - attached a USB stick that contains the Qubes 4 RC3 x86-64 ISO image file
> - verified digests and signatures for ISO image
> - attached another USB stick to the fedora live instance to put the Qubes 
> installer on (/dev/sdd)
> - repartitioned /dev/sdd USB stick with a single (8GB) FAT32 partition and 
> MBR, and marked bootable
> - started imaging: sudo livecd-iso-to-disk 
> /run/media/liveuser/qsrc/Qubes-R4.0-rc3-x86_64.iso /dev/sdd1
> - waited for everything to complete (took quite a while)
> - used dosfslabel to rename the qubes installer USB stick: sudo dosfslabel 
> /dev/sdd1 BOOT
> - manually edited the xen.cfg file on the install stick (located at 
> /BOOT/EFI): replaced all instances of 
> "LABEL=Qubes-R4.0-rc3-x86_64" with "LABEL=BOOT"
> 
> Success!
> 
> Now one thing that is different is that after installation, the 
> correct/selected keyboard layout (in my case English-Dvorak) isn't active 
> when prompted for the LUKS passphrase; but after entering it in QWERTY, Qubes 
> OS boots and completes configuration. 
> 
> But the primary issue, not being able to boot in UEFI mode, is solved.
> 
> Thanks everyone for your input!
> 
> Cheers,
> -joe

Thanks for the detailed write-up. Based on the steps you've provided, it 
appears that the TPM is present in /sys/class/devices/tpm, but no PCRs are 
present and it's not possible to take ownership of the TPM with 
tpm_takeownership. Did you get further on this, e.g. to setup anti-evil-maid?
 

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Re: [qubes-users] New HCL Entry: Lenovo ThinkPad T470 (20HDCTO1WW)

2017-12-03 Thread Mike Keehan
On Sun, 3 Dec 2017 03:03:59 +0100
Marek Marczykowski-Górecki  wrote:

> -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE-
> Hash: SHA256
> 
> On Sat, Dec 02, 2017 at 01:02:52AM -0800, Joe Hemmerlein wrote:
> > Danke, Stephan, your pointers were very valuable!
> > 
> > At first, I decided to just borrow an external DVD drive and boot
> > off a DVD burned from the ISO, in UEFI mode. The result however was
> > the same as when booting from my previously-created USB stick: grub
> > boots, but no matter what i select, the screen briefly flashes and
> > takes me back to grub. So.. yeah, the ISO image does not appear to
> > be usable out of the box on some UEFI devices, even when burning it
> > to a DVD.
> > 
> > Your description of the livecd-tools helped make good progress, but
> > still without ability to boot the installer completely, but they
> > sent me in the right direction. I then found
> > https://groups.google.com/forum/#!topic/qubes-users/4VsKdxnKHBk,
> > which described a process very similar to yours (it omits the part
> > about using dosfslabel, but has a part about also updating the
> > xen.cfg file).
> > 
> > Altogether, this did the trick!  
> 
> Thanks for posting detailed instruction. And for the pull request for
> qubes-doc!
> 
> > In condensed form, this is what i did to create a USB install stick
> > that works with UEFI on the T470: 1. Use the "livecd-iso-to-disk"
> > utility from fedora livecd-tools to put the ISO image onto an USB
> > stick 2. rename the USB stick's partition label to BOOT 3. edit
> > the /BOOT/EFI/xen.cfg file on the USB stick's partition to make
> > sure all LABEL= instances are replaced with LABEL=BOOT  
> 
> Does anyone have an idea what the difference livecd-iso-to-disk make,
> compared to isohybrid? If possible, we'd like to installation iso work
> out of the box on UEFI systems, including new ones...
> 
> I wonder if Fedora netinst iso (_not_ Live iso) boot on such new
> hardware, after directly dd-ing it to USB stick. Can you check that?
> Just see if installer starts. It's here:
> 
> https://alt.fedoraproject.org/
> 
> If that would work, I can try to find what is different about those
> images and fix Qubes iso.
> 
> - -- 

Hi Marek,

Even using that network iso to boot my Dell XPS 15 (2017), I still need
to add the option "modprobe.blacklist=nouveau" to the boot command line
to allow the installer to work.  Without that option, the installer
gets a 'stuck cpu' error, with the stack trace showing the nouveau
driver as the culprit.

I could not figure out how to edit the xen.cfg file to add the option
there - others seem to have managed to do that though.

Best wishes,

Mike.

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Re: [qubes-users] New HCL Entry: Lenovo ThinkPad T470 (20HDCTO1WW)

2017-12-03 Thread Joe Hemmerlein
On Saturday, December 2, 2017 at 6:04:08 PM UTC-8, Marek Marczykowski-Górecki 
wrote:
> Does anyone have an idea what the difference livecd-iso-to-disk make,
> compared to isohybrid? If possible, we'd like to installation iso work
> out of the box on UEFI systems, including new ones...
> 
> I wonder if Fedora netinst iso (_not_ Live iso) boot on such new
> hardware, after directly dd-ing it to USB stick. Can you check that?
> Just see if installer starts. It's here:
> 
> https://alt.fedoraproject.org/
> 
> If that would work, I can try to find what is different about those
> images and fix Qubes iso.

Hi Marek,

I just tried the Fedora netinst image, dd'd it onto an USB stick, and it 
successfully booted.

One minor observation i made i the process: the Qubes ISO9660 volume label 
includes a dot/period; the netinst image doesn't.

This triggered a deja-vu from understanding why we need to update the volume 
label and edit xen.cfg after using livecd-iso-to-disk: this approach creates a 
FAT32 to hold everything, but the xen.cfg file uses the Qubes volume label 
"Qubes-R4.0-rc3-x86_64" to identify where to load inst.stage2 from, and FAT32 
volumes can't have labels that are this long and they also have trouble with 
periods in the label. Sure, FAT32 isn't ISO9660, but ISO9660 is also a bit 
troubled with a few different interpretations of the standard and restrictions.

Also, a Qubes dd'd USB stick contains an ISO9660 partition and a FAT16 
partition with a stub; I could validate that my T470 boots directly from 
ISO9660, ignoring the FAT16 partition.

Speaking of which... I found a way to make a USB install stick, much easier 
than using livecd-iso-to-disk tools:
- create a FAT32 partition (not too big) on the USB stick
- mark the partition as active (if MBR; not needed if GPT)
- mount the ISO image
- mirror the file system structure from the mounted ISO image to the FAT32 
volume
- give the FAT32 volume a meaningful label (not to exceed 11 chars)
- update EFI/BOOT/xen.cfg on the FAT32 volume to match that label

You can even do that on Windows without needing Rufus :) I'll update the doc 
one more time to include instructions for Windows users. Maybe even remove the 
livecd-iso-to-disk instructions again, I'm not sure.
-joe

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Re: [qubes-users] New HCL Entry: Lenovo ThinkPad T470 (20HDCTO1WW)

2017-12-02 Thread Marek Marczykowski-Górecki
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On Sat, Dec 02, 2017 at 01:02:52AM -0800, Joe Hemmerlein wrote:
> Danke, Stephan, your pointers were very valuable!
> 
> At first, I decided to just borrow an external DVD drive and boot off a DVD 
> burned from the ISO, in UEFI mode. The result however was the same as when 
> booting from my previously-created USB stick: grub boots, but no matter what 
> i select, the screen briefly flashes and takes me back to grub. So.. yeah, 
> the ISO image does not appear to be usable out of the box on some UEFI 
> devices, even when burning it to a DVD.
> 
> Your description of the livecd-tools helped make good progress, but still 
> without ability to boot the installer completely, but they sent me in the 
> right direction. I then found 
> https://groups.google.com/forum/#!topic/qubes-users/4VsKdxnKHBk, which 
> described a process very similar to yours (it omits the part about using 
> dosfslabel, but has a part about also updating the xen.cfg file).
> 
> Altogether, this did the trick!

Thanks for posting detailed instruction. And for the pull request for
qubes-doc!

> In condensed form, this is what i did to create a USB install stick that 
> works with UEFI on the T470:
> 1. Use the "livecd-iso-to-disk" utility from fedora livecd-tools to put the 
> ISO image onto an USB stick
> 2. rename the USB stick's partition label to BOOT
> 3. edit the /BOOT/EFI/xen.cfg file on the USB stick's partition to make sure 
> all LABEL= instances are replaced with LABEL=BOOT

Does anyone have an idea what the difference livecd-iso-to-disk make,
compared to isohybrid? If possible, we'd like to installation iso work
out of the box on UEFI systems, including new ones...

I wonder if Fedora netinst iso (_not_ Live iso) boot on such new
hardware, after directly dd-ing it to USB stick. Can you check that?
Just see if installer starts. It's here:

https://alt.fedoraproject.org/

If that would work, I can try to find what is different about those
images and fix Qubes iso.

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Re: [qubes-users] New HCL Entry: Lenovo ThinkPad T470 (20HDCTO1WW)

2017-12-02 Thread Joe Hemmerlein
On Saturday, December 2, 2017 at 3:41:26 AM UTC-8, Stephan Marwedel wrote:
> Now we have a nice recipe to install Qubes on modern Thinkpads. This 
> should become part of the official documentation.

Pull request: https://github.com/QubesOS/qubes-doc/pull/490

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Re: [qubes-users] New HCL Entry: Lenovo ThinkPad T470 (20HDCTO1WW)

2017-12-02 Thread Stephan Marwedel

Hi Joe,

thanks for the concise summary :-)

I actually forgot to mention the necessary changes to the xen.cfg that 
you correctly described.


Now we have a nice recipe to install Qubes on modern Thinkpads. This 
should become part of the official documentation.


Using this recipe will try to install Qubes on my recently acquired 
Anniversary Thinkpad 25 which is essentially a T470 with a different 
keyboard and a dedicated GPU.


Cheers,
Stephan

On 12/2/17 10:02 AM, Joe Hemmerlein wrote:

On Friday, December 1, 2017 at 2:01:47 PM UTC-8, Stephan Marwedel wrote:

I have installed Qubes 3.2 successfully on my Thinkpad T470p
   (20J6CTO1WW). This machine is pretty similar to the T470, except
   that is has a quad-core i7 CPU.  It runs perfectly and all Qubes
   functionality is available on that machine. The installation,
   however, was not an easy task.

 
 
1. Booting: UEFI is not a problem for the Qubes installer, but

   you must pay attention on how you created the bootable install
   media. Just using dd is not sufficient. I had to use the
   livecd-tools from Fedora to create the install media. After
   creating the media I had to manually set the partition label to
   BOOT using the dosfslabel utility. Otherwise, I was unable to boot
   from the media. It was not necessary to fall back to legacy boot
   or to mess around with the Grub configuration.

 
 2. Networking: The onboard ethernet  hardware is only supported by a

 4.9 kernel or later, but the installer containts a 4.4 kernel. So
 you have no network in teh sys-net vm. You have to manually download
 the source of the Intel network driver, compile it and install it
 using a USB media in the template vm. As soon as you have network
 access, upgrade dom0 to using the testing or unstable repository.

 


 3. Graphics: The Kaby Lake Intel graphics works well with a newer
 kernel.

 


 Summary: Prepare the boot media with more care than for older
 machines. Compile the ethernet network driver manually to enable
 network access after the install. Upgrade to kernel 4.9 in dom0 as
 soon as possible to enable graphics and networking support of your
 Thinkpad.

Danke, Stephan, your pointers were very valuable!

At first, I decided to just borrow an external DVD drive and boot off a DVD 
burned from the ISO, in UEFI mode. The result however was the same as when 
booting from my previously-created USB stick: grub boots, but no matter what i 
select, the screen briefly flashes and takes me back to grub. So.. yeah, the 
ISO image does not appear to be usable out of the box on some UEFI devices, 
even when burning it to a DVD.

Your description of the livecd-tools helped make good progress, but still 
without ability to boot the installer completely, but they sent me in the right 
direction. I then found 
https://groups.google.com/forum/#!topic/qubes-users/4VsKdxnKHBk, which 
described a process very similar to yours (it omits the part about using 
dosfslabel, but has a part about also updating the xen.cfg file).

Altogether, this did the trick!

In condensed form, this is what i did to create a USB install stick that works 
with UEFI on the T470:
1. Use the "livecd-iso-to-disk" utility from fedora livecd-tools to put the ISO 
image onto an USB stick
2. rename the USB stick's partition label to BOOT
3. edit the /BOOT/EFI/xen.cfg file on the USB stick's partition to make sure all 
LABEL= instances are replaced with LABEL=BOOT

In a bit more detail:
- booted Fedora 26 live USB stick in UEFI mode
- installed livecd-tools: sudo dnf install livecd-tools
- attached a USB stick that contains the Qubes 4 RC3 x86-64 ISO image file
- verified digests and signatures for ISO image
- attached another USB stick to the fedora live instance to put the Qubes 
installer on (/dev/sdd)
- repartitioned /dev/sdd USB stick with a single (8GB) FAT32 partition and MBR, 
and marked bootable
- started imaging: sudo livecd-iso-to-disk 
/run/media/liveuser/qsrc/Qubes-R4.0-rc3-x86_64.iso /dev/sdd1
- waited for everything to complete (took quite a while)
- used dosfslabel to rename the qubes installer USB stick: sudo dosfslabel 
/dev/sdd1 BOOT
- manually edited the xen.cfg file on the install stick (located at /BOOT/EFI): replaced 
all instances of "LABEL=Qubes-R4.0-rc3-x86_64" with "LABEL=BOOT"

Success!

Now one thing that is different is that after installation, the 
correct/selected keyboard layout (in my case English-Dvorak) isn't active when 
prompted for the LUKS passphrase; but after entering it in QWERTY, Qubes OS 
boots and completes configuration.

But the primary issue, not being able to boot in UEFI mode, is solved.

Thanks everyone for your input!

Cheers,
-joe



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Re: [qubes-users] New HCL Entry: Lenovo ThinkPad T470 (20HDCTO1WW)

2017-12-02 Thread Joe Hemmerlein
On Friday, December 1, 2017 at 2:01:47 PM UTC-8, Stephan Marwedel wrote:
> I have installed Qubes 3.2 successfully on my Thinkpad T470p
>   (20J6CTO1WW). This machine is pretty similar to the T470, except
>   that is has a quad-core i7 CPU.  It runs perfectly and all Qubes
>   functionality is available on that machine. The installation,
>   however, was not an easy task. 
> 
> 
> 
> 1. Booting: UEFI is not a problem for the Qubes installer, but
>   you must pay attention on how you created the bootable install
>   media. Just using dd is not sufficient. I had to use the
>   livecd-tools from Fedora to create the install media. After
>   creating the media I had to manually set the partition label to
>   BOOT using the dosfslabel utility. Otherwise, I was unable to boot
>   from the media. It was not necessary to fall back to legacy boot
>   or to mess around with the Grub configuration. 
> 
> 
> 2. Networking: The onboard ethernet  hardware is only supported by a
> 4.9 kernel or later, but the installer containts a 4.4 kernel. So
> you have no network in teh sys-net vm. You have to manually download
> the source of the Intel network driver, compile it and install it
> using a USB media in the template vm. As soon as you have network
> access, upgrade dom0 to using the testing or unstable repository.
> 
> 
> 
> 3. Graphics: The Kaby Lake Intel graphics works well with a newer
> kernel. 
> 
> 
> 
> Summary: Prepare the boot media with more care than for older
> machines. Compile the ethernet network driver manually to enable
> network access after the install. Upgrade to kernel 4.9 in dom0 as
> soon as possible to enable graphics and networking support of your
> Thinkpad.

Danke, Stephan, your pointers were very valuable!

At first, I decided to just borrow an external DVD drive and boot off a DVD 
burned from the ISO, in UEFI mode. The result however was the same as when 
booting from my previously-created USB stick: grub boots, but no matter what i 
select, the screen briefly flashes and takes me back to grub. So.. yeah, the 
ISO image does not appear to be usable out of the box on some UEFI devices, 
even when burning it to a DVD.

Your description of the livecd-tools helped make good progress, but still 
without ability to boot the installer completely, but they sent me in the right 
direction. I then found 
https://groups.google.com/forum/#!topic/qubes-users/4VsKdxnKHBk, which 
described a process very similar to yours (it omits the part about using 
dosfslabel, but has a part about also updating the xen.cfg file).

Altogether, this did the trick!

In condensed form, this is what i did to create a USB install stick that works 
with UEFI on the T470:
1. Use the "livecd-iso-to-disk" utility from fedora livecd-tools to put the ISO 
image onto an USB stick
2. rename the USB stick's partition label to BOOT
3. edit the /BOOT/EFI/xen.cfg file on the USB stick's partition to make sure 
all LABEL= instances are replaced with LABEL=BOOT

In a bit more detail:
- booted Fedora 26 live USB stick in UEFI mode
- installed livecd-tools: sudo dnf install livecd-tools
- attached a USB stick that contains the Qubes 4 RC3 x86-64 ISO image file
- verified digests and signatures for ISO image
- attached another USB stick to the fedora live instance to put the Qubes 
installer on (/dev/sdd)
- repartitioned /dev/sdd USB stick with a single (8GB) FAT32 partition and MBR, 
and marked bootable
- started imaging: sudo livecd-iso-to-disk 
/run/media/liveuser/qsrc/Qubes-R4.0-rc3-x86_64.iso /dev/sdd1
- waited for everything to complete (took quite a while)
- used dosfslabel to rename the qubes installer USB stick: sudo dosfslabel 
/dev/sdd1 BOOT
- manually edited the xen.cfg file on the install stick (located at 
/BOOT/EFI): replaced all instances of "LABEL=Qubes-R4.0-rc3-x86_64" 
with "LABEL=BOOT"

Success!

Now one thing that is different is that after installation, the 
correct/selected keyboard layout (in my case English-Dvorak) isn't active when 
prompted for the LUKS passphrase; but after entering it in QWERTY, Qubes OS 
boots and completes configuration. 

But the primary issue, not being able to boot in UEFI mode, is solved.

Thanks everyone for your input!

Cheers,
-joe

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Re: [qubes-users] New HCL Entry: Lenovo ThinkPad T470 (20HDCTO1WW)

2017-12-01 Thread Stephan Marwedel
I have installed Qubes 3.2 successfully on my Thinkpad T470p 
(20J6CTO1WW). This machine is pretty similar to the T470, except that is 
has a quad-core i7 CPU.  It runs perfectly and all Qubes functionality 
is available on that machine. The installation, however, was not an easy 
task.


1. Booting: UEFI is not a problem for the Qubes installer, but you must 
pay attention on how you created the bootable install media. Just using 
dd is not sufficient. I had to use the livecd-tools from Fedora to 
create the install media. After creating the media I had to manually set 
the partition label to BOOT using the dosfslabel utility. Otherwise, I 
was unable to boot from the media. It was not necessary to fall back to 
legacy boot or to mess around with the Grub configuration.


2. Networking: The onboard ethernet  hardware is only supported by a 4.9 
kernel or later, but the installer containts a 4.4 kernel. So you have 
no network in teh sys-net vm. You have to manually download the source 
of the Intel network driver, compile it and install it using a USB media 
in the template vm. As soon as you have network access, upgrade dom0 to 
using the testing or unstable repository.


3. Graphics: The Kaby Lake Intel graphics works well with a newer kernel.

Summary: Prepare the boot media with more care than for older machines. 
Compile the ethernet network driver manually to enable network access 
after the install. Upgrade to kernel 4.9 in dom0 as soon as possible to 
enable graphics and networking support of your Thinkpad.


On 11/30/17 11:07 AM, Joe Hemmerlein wrote:

Hi,

so far it was easy to install and run Qubes OS 4.0 RC3 (and RC2) on 
this hardware - as long as I keep boot mode on "Legacy Only".


However, the TPM chip on this hardware works in UEFI boot mode only; 
and even with secureboot disabled and CSM support enabled, I can't get 
Qubes OS to boot in UEFI mode:
- The installer doesn't run in UEFI mode (I get text mode grub, but 
whatever i select simply does nothing and returns to grub)

- If I turn UEFI mode on after installing Qubes OS, I don't even get grub.
- I tried the UEFI troubleshooting guide to no avail, although I was 
unable to run efibootmgr directly while in legacy boot mode ("EFI 
variables are not supported on this system") so in order to run 
efibootmgr, i booted a separate Fedora 26 Live image which does boot 
in UEFI mode. However, even with updated records, the result is the 
same: selecting those options from the UEFI boot menu simply makes the 
screen flicker once and then i'm back in the UEFI boot menu.
- I tried copying the EFI and CFG file to /EFU/BOOT and renaming them 
to BOOTX64.EFI and .CFG, and also created new entries with efibootmgr 
for this, again without success.



I also tried installing Qubes OS 3.2 on this system which didn't work 
and initial troubleshooting failed; but I'd like to concentrate my 
efforts on making this work for Qubes 4.0 so i didn't spend too much 
time on getting Qubes OS 3.2 on the T470.


Any hints about troubleshooting the UEFI boot option are appreciated; 
i can also provide more exact details about what i already tried. 
Given the specs of this machine, I'm really determined to not give up 
easily.


For now, I'll test other functionality in legacy mode only.

Cheers,
-joe
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Re: [qubes-users] New HCL Entry: Lenovo ThinkPad T470 (20HDCTO1WW)

2017-12-01 Thread Mike Keehan
On Thu, 30 Nov 2017 17:10:46 -0800 (PST)
Joe Hemmerlein  wrote:

> On Thursday, November 30, 2017 at 1:37:59 PM UTC-8, Mike Keehan wrote:
> > Hi Joe,
> > 
> > This is the content of my EFI/qubes directory after installing
> > Qubes 4.0-rc3 in EFI mode :-
> > 
> > -rwxr-xr-x 1 root root 22231327 Nov 28 17:29
> > initramfs-4.9.56-21.pvops.qubes.x86_64.img -rwxr-xr-x 1 root root
> > 5316864 Nov 28 17:29 vmlinuz-4.9.56-21.pvops.qubes.x86_64
> > -rwxr-xr-x 1 root root  902 Nov 28 17:36 xen.cfg -rwxr-xr-x 1
> > root root  2056349 Nov 28 17:29 xen.efi
> > 
> > I then selected which EFI directory to boot from using the bios.
> > 
> > I think the EFI/Boot directory is just a default.
> > 
> > Mike.  
> 
> Thanks, Mike. In my case I can't even install Qubes in EFI mode
> because the installer won't run; and installing Qubes in Legacy mode
> will lead to an empty .cfg file. I'll take another stab at it
> tonight. -joe
> 

Hi Joe,

I had trouble installing due to video driver confusion.  As the Qubes
installer is based on Fedora, I tried installing that first to see what 
happens.  Same problem.  It turned out that I needed to add the
option "modprobe.blacklist=nouveau" to the kernel boot line in the
installer to allow Fedora to install OK.

The problem then was how to add that option to the Qubes installer.
Managed in the end by binary editing the iso.

Best of luck with your attempts.

   Mike.

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Re: [qubes-users] New HCL Entry: Lenovo ThinkPad T470 (20HDCTO1WW)

2017-11-30 Thread Joe Hemmerlein
On Thursday, November 30, 2017 at 1:37:59 PM UTC-8, Mike Keehan wrote:
> Hi Joe,
> 
> This is the content of my EFI/qubes directory after installing
> Qubes 4.0-rc3 in EFI mode :-
> 
> -rwxr-xr-x 1 root root 22231327 Nov 28 17:29 
> initramfs-4.9.56-21.pvops.qubes.x86_64.img
> -rwxr-xr-x 1 root root  5316864 Nov 28 17:29 
> vmlinuz-4.9.56-21.pvops.qubes.x86_64
> -rwxr-xr-x 1 root root  902 Nov 28 17:36 xen.cfg
> -rwxr-xr-x 1 root root  2056349 Nov 28 17:29 xen.efi
> 
> I then selected which EFI directory to boot from using the bios.
> 
> I think the EFI/Boot directory is just a default.
> 
> Mike.

Thanks, Mike. In my case I can't even install Qubes in EFI mode because the 
installer won't run; and installing Qubes in Legacy mode will lead to an empty 
.cfg file. I'll take another stab at it tonight.
-joe

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Re: [qubes-users] New HCL Entry: Lenovo ThinkPad T470 (20HDCTO1WW)

2017-11-30 Thread Joe Hemmerlein
On Thursday, November 30, 2017 at 11:12:34 AM UTC-8, Tom Zander wrote:
> I think its a known issue that Qubes doesn't support EFI.

Do you have a reference for that? I don't think that's true.

I can run Qubes OS without problems with UEFI on other hardware, and there is 
even UEFI troubleshooting guidance at 
https://www.qubes-os.org/doc/uefi-troubleshooting/ - which doesn't mention lack 
of support for EFI...

-joe

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Re: [qubes-users] New HCL Entry: Lenovo ThinkPad T470 (20HDCTO1WW)

2017-11-30 Thread Mike Keehan
On Thu, 30 Nov 2017 02:07:56 -0800
Joe Hemmerlein  wrote:

> Hi,
> 
> so far it was easy to install and run Qubes OS 4.0 RC3 (and RC2) on
> this hardware - as long as I keep boot mode on "Legacy Only".
> 
> However, the TPM chip on this hardware works in UEFI boot mode only;
> and even with secureboot disabled and CSM support enabled, I can't
> get Qubes OS to boot in UEFI mode:
> - The installer doesn't run in UEFI mode (I get text mode grub, but
> whatever i select simply does nothing and returns to grub)
> - If I turn UEFI mode on after installing Qubes OS, I don't even get
> grub.
> - I tried the UEFI troubleshooting guide to no avail, although I was
> unable to run efibootmgr directly while in legacy boot mode ("EFI
> variables are not supported on this system") so in order to run
> efibootmgr, i booted a separate Fedora 26 Live image which does boot
> in UEFI mode. However, even with updated records, the result is the
> same: selecting those options from the UEFI boot menu simply makes
> the screen flicker once and then i'm back in the UEFI boot menu.
> - I tried copying the EFI and CFG file to /EFU/BOOT and renaming them
> to BOOTX64.EFI and .CFG, and also created new entries with efibootmgr
> for this, again without success.
> 
> 
> I also tried installing Qubes OS 3.2 on this system which didn't work
> and initial troubleshooting failed; but I'd like to concentrate my
> efforts on making this work for Qubes 4.0 so i didn't spend too much
> time on getting Qubes OS 3.2 on the T470.
> 
> Any hints about troubleshooting the UEFI boot option are appreciated;
> i can also provide more exact details about what i already tried.
> Given the specs of this machine, I'm really determined to not give up
> easily.
> 
> For now, I'll test other functionality in legacy mode only.
> 
> Cheers,
> -joe
> 

Hi Joe,

This is the content of my EFI/qubes directory after installing
Qubes 4.0-rc3 in EFI mode :-

-rwxr-xr-x 1 root root 22231327 Nov 28 17:29 
initramfs-4.9.56-21.pvops.qubes.x86_64.img
-rwxr-xr-x 1 root root  5316864 Nov 28 17:29 
vmlinuz-4.9.56-21.pvops.qubes.x86_64
-rwxr-xr-x 1 root root  902 Nov 28 17:36 xen.cfg
-rwxr-xr-x 1 root root  2056349 Nov 28 17:29 xen.efi

I then selected which EFI directory to boot from using the bios.

I think the EFI/Boot directory is just a default.

Mike.

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Re: [qubes-users] New HCL Entry: Lenovo ThinkPad T470 (20HDCTO1WW)

2017-11-30 Thread Rashiq
Hey,

Dnia Thursday, November 30, 2017 2:07:56 AM CET Joe Hemmerlein pisze:
> I also tried installing Qubes OS 3.2 on this system which didn't work and
> initial troubleshooting failed; but I'd like to concentrate my efforts on
> making this work for Qubes 4.0 so i didn't spend too much time on getting
> Qubes OS 3.2 on the T470.

also running Qubes R4.0 on a T470.

R3.2 won't run due to drivers for the graphics chip not present in the kernel 
(as far as I remember from my troubleshooting of this some half a year ago).

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Re: [qubes-users] New HCL Entry: Lenovo ThinkPad T470 (20HDCTO1WW)

2017-11-30 Thread 'Tom Zander' via qubes-users
On Thursday, 30 November 2017 11:07:56 CET Joe Hemmerlein wrote:
> However, the TPM chip on this hardware works in UEFI boot mode only

I think its a known issue that Qubes doesn't support EFI.
It ironically creates an efi partition, but the installer doesn't create the 
right stuff to actually boot from it.
And I can confirm that the installer doesn't boot without legacy boot 
systems either.

If your hardware is really incompatible with legacy boots, you are out of 
luck.

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[qubes-users] New HCL Entry: Lenovo ThinkPad T470 (20HDCTO1WW)

2017-11-30 Thread Joe Hemmerlein
Hi,

so far it was easy to install and run Qubes OS 4.0 RC3 (and RC2) on this
hardware - as long as I keep boot mode on "Legacy Only".

However, the TPM chip on this hardware works in UEFI boot mode only; and
even with secureboot disabled and CSM support enabled, I can't get Qubes OS
to boot in UEFI mode:
- The installer doesn't run in UEFI mode (I get text mode grub, but
whatever i select simply does nothing and returns to grub)
- If I turn UEFI mode on after installing Qubes OS, I don't even get grub.
- I tried the UEFI troubleshooting guide to no avail, although I was unable
to run efibootmgr directly while in legacy boot mode ("EFI variables are
not supported on this system") so in order to run efibootmgr, i booted a
separate Fedora 26 Live image which does boot in UEFI mode. However, even
with updated records, the result is the same: selecting those options from
the UEFI boot menu simply makes the screen flicker once and then i'm back
in the UEFI boot menu.
- I tried copying the EFI and CFG file to /EFU/BOOT and renaming them to
BOOTX64.EFI and .CFG, and also created new entries with efibootmgr for
this, again without success.


I also tried installing Qubes OS 3.2 on this system which didn't work and
initial troubleshooting failed; but I'd like to concentrate my efforts on
making this work for Qubes 4.0 so i didn't spend too much time on getting
Qubes OS 3.2 on the T470.

Any hints about troubleshooting the UEFI boot option are appreciated; i can
also provide more exact details about what i already tried. Given the specs
of this machine, I'm really determined to not give up easily.

For now, I'll test other functionality in legacy mode only.

Cheers,
-joe

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