Re: [qubes-users] PCIE gen 4 m.2 cards supported?
On 11/10/20 2:10 PM, 'Totally Zoid' via qubes-users wrote: I can't answer your question for certain, I changed my disk and CPU at the same time. It takes me ~10 sec to start a disposable Firefox, from clicking on the start menu entry to the window popping up (with about 20 VMs running in the background and no heatsink on the SSD). I used to have an i5 and a 5400rpm drive and it was slow as hell, I couldn't even start two VMs at the same time without one of them crashing. Then a couple years ago I upgraded to Ryzen 7 and a gen3x4 SSD and while things aren't quite as instant as I'd like, it's good. I dunno if you're running / can run at full speed a NVMe drive with the chipset you're on. If not your CPU might be bottlenecking your disk speed, not just your code execution speed. If you're upgrading the CPU you'll have to buy a new motherboard, which is roughly $150 for Ryzens. Sent with ProtonMail Secure Email. ‐‐‐ Original Message ‐‐‐ On Tuesday, November 10, 2020 6:13 PM, Stumpy wrote: Thanks for the response! Regarding not being able to tell the difference, I have an older system (Intel(R) Core(TM) i5-4570 CPU @ 3.20GHz w 32gb mem) with a fairly new/fast Samsung ssd I got this year but it still takes over 20 sec to start up a firefox in a fed32 dvm, is that normal? Is it most likely that the majority of the slowness is attributable to my ancient proc? I just want to get a clear idea of where I should focus my spending, that is on a CPU, faster drives, etc. Thanks in advance! Thanks for the response. I figure my cpu is likely at least alittle bit of a bottle neck, i just dont know how much of a bottleneck but the confirmation is helpful. I havent bothered with m.2 on my current setup as I am sure there is something that would slow it down and make the whole thing moot. I'd be curious to know what mobo you are using with your amd ryzen? In general I am seriously considering going the AMD route but thats only if I can be reasonably sure it'll "just work" Cheers -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "qubes-users" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to qubes-users+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To view this discussion on the web visit https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/qubes-users/04062bdc-f20b-8dd5-8dd8-535af756a0c4%40posteo.net.
Re: [qubes-users] PCIE gen 4 m.2 cards supported?
I can't answer your question for certain, I changed my disk and CPU at the same time. It takes me ~10 sec to start a disposable Firefox, from clicking on the start menu entry to the window popping up (with about 20 VMs running in the background and no heatsink on the SSD). I used to have an i5 and a 5400rpm drive and it was slow as hell, I couldn't even start two VMs at the same time without one of them crashing. Then a couple years ago I upgraded to Ryzen 7 and a gen3x4 SSD and while things aren't quite as instant as I'd like, it's good. I dunno if you're running / can run at full speed a NVMe drive with the chipset you're on. If not your CPU might be bottlenecking your disk speed, not just your code execution speed. If you're upgrading the CPU you'll have to buy a new motherboard, which is roughly $150 for Ryzens. Sent with ProtonMail Secure Email. ‐‐‐ Original Message ‐‐‐ On Tuesday, November 10, 2020 6:13 PM, Stumpy wrote: > Thanks for the response! > > Regarding not being able to tell the difference, I have an older system > (Intel(R) Core(TM) i5-4570 CPU @ 3.20GHz w 32gb mem) with a fairly > new/fast Samsung ssd I got this year but it still takes over 20 sec to > start up a firefox in a fed32 dvm, is that normal? Is it most likely > that the majority of the slowness is attributable to my ancient proc? > > I just want to get a clear idea of where I should focus my spending, > that is on a CPU, faster drives, etc. > > Thanks in advance! -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "qubes-users" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to qubes-users+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To view this discussion on the web visit https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/qubes-users/hRTadzugHnYueeSqOhH1P6vK9niIaWM1gb7XnJoNhOgrxOvS91D_NG2ll_RVZqp6amqjQlD6jcpVpwOCOf05JCuF6NETiAPS-de5qtwVBx0%3D%40protonmail.com.
Re: [qubes-users] PCIE gen 4 m.2 cards supported?
On 11/10/20 5:41 AM, Zrubi wrote: On 11/8/20 4:38 PM, Stumpy wrote: I was listening to the ubuntu podcast and one of the guys there mentioned he just setup his new computer with a PCIE gen4 m.2 card which enabled him to run 4 m.2 drives at the same time, he also squeezed more performance out of it by doing raid 0 across the 4 drives. Theoretically, and in some test cases, maybe... Asides from the risk of loosing data, does/would #1 Qubes support pcie gen4? #2 Is is possible to (if the hardware doesnt support it for some strange reason) to do raid0 across 4 drives on a pcie m.2 card? Not as strange as you thing... as usually those RAID features are meaning windonws only software raid. So in practice, there is no (or at least very rare) hardware RAID on a desktop board. on Qubes (or in Linux in general) you can safely relay on software raid not the one your motherboard suggest, but what the Linux kernel (even the fedora installer) provides you I am not in a huge hurry to upgrade but when i do i am keen on getting a storage option that will make my qubes setup fairly fast and i assume that with a super fast drive setup it would be able to sping up appvms faster? In practice (like appvm startup times), you can't even tell if your system runs from a SATA SSD or from an NVME m.2 SSD. Imagine the much less theoretical speed difference you may get using a PCI gen 4 device Thanks for the response! Regarding not being able to tell the difference, I have an older system (Intel(R) Core(TM) i5-4570 CPU @ 3.20GHz w 32gb mem) with a fairly new/fast Samsung ssd I got this year but it still takes over 20 sec to start up a firefox in a fed32 dvm, is that normal? Is it most likely that the majority of the slowness is attributable to my ancient proc? I just want to get a clear idea of where I should focus my spending, that is on a CPU, faster drives, etc. Thanks in advance! -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "qubes-users" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to qubes-users+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To view this discussion on the web visit https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/qubes-users/b3b248bb-dbb7-25d8-cc65-317ae7d2f0fd%40posteo.net.
Re: [qubes-users] PCIE gen 4 m.2 cards supported?
On 11/8/20 4:38 PM, Stumpy wrote: > I was listening to the ubuntu podcast and one of the guys there > mentioned he just setup his new computer with a PCIE gen4 m.2 card which > enabled him to run 4 m.2 drives at the same time, he also squeezed more > performance out of it by doing raid 0 across the 4 drives. Theoretically, and in some test cases, maybe... > Asides from the risk of loosing data, does/would #1 Qubes support pcie > gen4? #2 Is is possible to (if the hardware doesnt support it for some > strange reason) to do raid0 across 4 drives on a pcie m.2 card? Not as strange as you thing... as usually those RAID features are meaning windonws only software raid. So in practice, there is no (or at least very rare) hardware RAID on a desktop board. on Qubes (or in Linux in general) you can safely relay on software raid not the one your motherboard suggest, but what the Linux kernel (even the fedora installer) provides you > I am not in a huge hurry to upgrade but when i do i am keen on getting a > storage option that will make my qubes setup fairly fast and i assume > that with a super fast drive setup it would be able to sping up appvms > faster? In practice (like appvm startup times), you can't even tell if your system runs from a SATA SSD or from an NVME m.2 SSD. Imagine the much less theoretical speed difference you may get using a PCI gen 4 device -- Zrubi -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "qubes-users" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to qubes-users+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To view this discussion on the web visit https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/qubes-users/2a03bcf8-9e7b-c98d-da5f-56bdc5dac9b9%40zrubi.hu.
Re: [qubes-users] PCIE gen 4 m.2 cards supported?
On 11/8/20 11:38 AM, Stumpy wrote: I was listening to the ubuntu podcast and one of the guys there mentioned he just setup his new computer with a PCIE gen4 m.2 card which enabled him to run 4 m.2 drives at the same time, he also squeezed more performance out of it by doing raid 0 across the 4 drives. Asides from the risk of loosing data, does/would #1 Qubes support pcie gen4? #2 Is is possible to (if the hardware doesnt support it for some strange reason) to do raid0 across 4 drives on a pcie m.2 card? I am not in a huge hurry to upgrade but when i do i am keen on getting a storage option that will make my qubes setup fairly fast and i assume that with a super fast drive setup it would be able to sping up appvms faster? Another, perhaps more basic question, is anyone running qubes on a pci-e gen 4 enabled motherboard? (and able to take, more or less, full advantage of its speed). -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "qubes-users" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to qubes-users+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To view this discussion on the web visit https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/qubes-users/ac4646b5-701f-3142-c14b-6b0a6da8a28d%40posteo.net.
[qubes-users] PCIE gen 4 m.2 cards supported?
I was listening to the ubuntu podcast and one of the guys there mentioned he just setup his new computer with a PCIE gen4 m.2 card which enabled him to run 4 m.2 drives at the same time, he also squeezed more performance out of it by doing raid 0 across the 4 drives. Asides from the risk of loosing data, does/would #1 Qubes support pcie gen4? #2 Is is possible to (if the hardware doesnt support it for some strange reason) to do raid0 across 4 drives on a pcie m.2 card? I am not in a huge hurry to upgrade but when i do i am keen on getting a storage option that will make my qubes setup fairly fast and i assume that with a super fast drive setup it would be able to sping up appvms faster? -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "qubes-users" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to qubes-users+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To view this discussion on the web visit https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/qubes-users/8d64a237-e0bf-a914-4482-47d99183bbce%40posteo.net.
