On Sunday, November 12, 2017 at 6:42:33 PM UTC, qubest...@tutanota.com wrote: > Hello Qubes users > > Does anyone have an AMD based laptop that doesn't have PSP (i.e. anything > pre-2013), and if so, does it work with Qubes 4? Mainly asking for hardware > recommendation and so that I can choose a stock model that does come with a > working AMD-V with RVI and AMD-Vi (aka AMD IOMMU). > > Thanks infinitely for any help!
I can't say I know any pre-2013 models (unless its like 10-14 years back which is presumably too old, especially for Qubes 3.2 or 4). I can mostly speak about AMD Ryzen running on Qubes 3.2 or Qubes 4 though, since it's been what I've been running and also looking into recently. I can also share my experience with Qubes 4 and Ryzen if its somerhing you need, but if you want something pre-2013, I suppose it's no point to go there. AMD has been known to be semi-open source over the years, and also less aggressively segmenting the market compared to Intel. Therefore they do not try to force chips without virtualization as aggressively as Intel do, by what I've heard and experienced. Chances are that many pre-2013, but past-2012 AMD chips, can run Qubes 4 RC-2, by having the required features, but I'm not really sure which that would be. I'm guessing when it comes to older AMD's, it's more a question whether its powerful enough, than whether it has the right/correct features. Perhaps within the AMD FX series but going back to 2012-2013? or another series? Also if virtualization works on other Linux systems or Windows for the given AMD chip you're looking at, then there are likely to have been people discussing this on the internet for any given chip, if it was common enough. If you find an AMD chip that have the right specs and looks decent on the benchmarks, then try follow up your search by googling (duckduckgoing) it up, and see what you can find on the topic. Also make use of benchmark websites, but don't compare across/between websites/tool resources, as they can be different in how they calculate the benchmark. Use the same website for comparing between chips, one at a time, i.e. compare benchmarks with your current system/systems to the chip you're looking to maybe buying. It works best if you have experience with a few computers, and you can feel their calculation power when you used them (pushing them to their limit in various different calculative tasks), and then compare the benchmark numbers with your personal user experience, to get an impression/feeling what the benchmark numbers represent in real life. This way it gives a better idea how powerful the chip you're about to buy is, i.e. if it has 20% higher benchmark, it might be slightly stronger than what you experienced before. If 20-40% less or further less, for example, then it's risky, since you might hit a performance wall you didn't experience before. It takes some careful considerations to get it right before accepting and buying. I'm sorry that I can't provide any suggestions, but hopefully it was of little use. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "qubes-users" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to qubes-users+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to qubes-users@googlegroups.com. To view this discussion on the web visit https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/qubes-users/4acf29fc-c6d9-4d80-846b-19797a1ca3fa%40googlegroups.com. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
