Re: [qubes-users] Re: Qubes top priorities suggestions for me as an user.
On Sunday, July 10, 2016 at 2:04:26 AM UTC-4, raah...@gmail.com wrote: > On Saturday, July 9, 2016 at 4:12:28 AM UTC-4, juri...@gmail.com wrote: > > > I definitely think we should remove that guide though. Nouveau supports > > > almost all Nvidia cards, and Qubes includes the signed firmware required > > > for the newer Nvidia cards. With Nouveau we can now have 3D acceleration > > > in dom0 without the proprietary driver. From hardware support perspective > > > we don't need to show people how to install proprietary driver in dom0, > > > if they want to, can't they just ask on the mailing list? It is also bad > > > for people's software freedom to support the proprietary driver. Thoughts? > > > > > > D. > > > > Duncan, nouveau is kinda bugged, new distros are starting to have this > > issues in their forums or add an NVIDIA or AMD option in their grub menu > > (nomodeset option), for example, check the small distro FATDOG 64 (puppy > > linyx) grub menu, for the problematic new cards that doesnt work with those > > old drivers anymore > > I find the opposie. nvidia drivers on the latest de's have all sorts of > screen tearing issues and fullscreen flickers due to compositing effects. > the noueveau drivers have no issues though. I should of said regarding my card 650 ti, which just might be too old now. But I've always liked linux distros because it didn't force me to ugprade my hardware all the time, maybe things are changing... -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "qubes-users" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to qubes-users+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to qubes-users@googlegroups.com. To view this discussion on the web visit https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/qubes-users/eaf29840-1e78-4385-a8e2-70b44828e6fb%40googlegroups.com. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
Re: [qubes-users] Re: Qubes top priorities suggestions for me as an user.
On Saturday, July 9, 2016 at 4:12:28 AM UTC-4, juri...@gmail.com wrote: > > I definitely think we should remove that guide though. Nouveau supports > > almost all Nvidia cards, and Qubes includes the signed firmware required > > for the newer Nvidia cards. With Nouveau we can now have 3D acceleration in > > dom0 without the proprietary driver. From hardware support perspective we > > don't need to show people how to install proprietary driver in dom0, if > > they want to, can't they just ask on the mailing list? It is also bad for > > people's software freedom to support the proprietary driver. Thoughts? > > > > D. > > Duncan, nouveau is kinda bugged, new distros are starting to have this issues > in their forums or add an NVIDIA or AMD option in their grub menu (nomodeset > option), for example, check the small distro FATDOG 64 (puppy linyx) grub > menu, for the problematic new cards that doesnt work with those old drivers > anymore I find the opposie. nvidia drivers on the latest de's have all sorts of screen tearing issues and fullscreen flickers due to compositing effects. the noueveau drivers have no issues though. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "qubes-users" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to qubes-users+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to qubes-users@googlegroups.com. To view this discussion on the web visit https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/qubes-users/58c3c460-37b2-46a9-b49a-c593a81ca1cd%40googlegroups.com. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
Re: [qubes-users] Re: Qubes top priorities suggestions for me as an user.
Em sexta-feira, 8 de julho de 2016 18:04:10 UTC-3, Achim Patzner escreveu: > Am 08.07.2016 um 10:56 schrieb juris...@gmail.com: > > HERE!!! This is the perfect qubes solution according to this guy. > Whatever they prescribed you, please take your pills. You really need them. > > To the rest: Could everybody please stop feeding the troll; some of us > had quite a busy week and it is bad enough having to catch up with this > list without having to wade through this kind of bullshit. > > > Achim Achim. Don't forget YOU are the homosexual, NOT ME. That's a mental disease, doesn't matter if for political reasons was removed or not from disease list. By the way, you are not THAT secure, are you? Too bad for you there are no pills to heal your condition. That kinda porn can get you in jail, you know? lol "pills"; right. Listen, communist: Do NOT forget that it is YOU that got medicated because of depression. If you have nothing to say about the matter, BE QUIET. Or get back to your pills. I never needed them. And NO, i am not "trolling", this "security expert" noob got hacked by a friend of mine, and was discovered he is gay and communist. Back to YOUR pills, depressed noob. They record everyone that takes those pills, do you know that? pff Thanks Marek, Andrew Wong, Chris Laprise, Niels, and Duncan, for your usefull and smart comments. Achim, if you have nothing to say about nvidia in dom-0 and it's telemetry, just remain quiet. I do not like gay people anyway. For Qubes, is a great and secure alternative for computers without nvidia gpu. Maybe the BEST. But i concluded that WITH nvidia, kvm passtrough is more secure than Xen. Compared with the nvidia spy telemetry and the need to use proprietary drivers, the bigger kvm code poses a smaller treath. We are FORCED to use USA hardware anyway. When USA forced companies to start using CLOSED source in hardware (yes, that was forced), IBM was against and they made a deal to boost it for the agreement. They changed the RIGHT and for the first time you buy a closed box without the right of being proprietary of all inside. Since that, things went worst, until the LAVABIT incident where i saw and checked USA laws and saw that they are doing this with hardware companies too. And they must agree by the power of usa law. So, you will not escape usa spy if you usa usa hardware. But nvidia went too far. I will still use a computer with nvidia, but isolate it. Can`t do it in qubes. Moving to KVM. Thanks to all. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "qubes-users" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to qubes-users+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to qubes-users@googlegroups.com. To view this discussion on the web visit https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/qubes-users/753786bd-beeb-4248-a33c-47d773928a27%40googlegroups.com. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
Re: [qubes-users] Re: Qubes top priorities suggestions for me as an user.
Btw, i did NOT test to remove the combined gpus (onboard + nvidia) from bios and did not try to use exclusively just the nvidia. Maybe if i do that might work. Qubes also gave problem in both UEFI and BIOS to install. I had even to disconnect my second monitor to install, or else i saw some writings in a black "DOS" screen with a green "taskbar" in working menu and the graphical installer was sent into the nvidia problematic monitor. Nvidia has a new "CAPTURE SCREEN AND STREAM" dedicated function to help people to stream their games without a drop in the FPS. I was VERY suspicious when i saw that function. Plus, they install nvidia network. In the end, they started to FORCE people to use GEFORCE EXPERIENCE to deliver driver updates. Check in these comments how people reacted: https://forums.geforce.com/default/topic/885587/forcing-us-to-use-geforce-experience-/ It is amazing how many enemies nvidia is doing with this "you do what i want i dont care if you like" posture. Thats why i do not trust nvidia at all. Plus, i leave my windows comodo firewall in paranoid config, and nvidia try to communicate with several processes to several ips spread around the world all the time. Thats the main reason i would NEVER let nvidia inside a linux host. Specially with their proprietary drivers and their "telemetry" terms of use that allows them to spy on you, thats important to remember too. The only "most secure" approach is to run the host inside INTEL (we have to trust their intel hardware like it or not, since they can install ring-0 backdoors with deniability) to ISOLATE nvidia and let it see ONLY one virtual machine we choose to use with passtrough, but NEVER use the newer cards in the main system. So, i would like to use a good GPU in my good desktop. But would not like to dedicate it to be spyed. And i do not recommend anyone to use nvidia inside qubes, not even with nouveau. UNLESS with a passtrough in a SEPARATED monitor. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "qubes-users" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to qubes-users+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to qubes-users@googlegroups.com. To view this discussion on the web visit https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/qubes-users/e44b6ad3-92eb-476a-b017-da24076d5e5d%40googlegroups.com. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
Re: [qubes-users] Re: Qubes top priorities suggestions for me as an user.
On 9 July 2016 09:32:35 BST, juris...@gmail.com wrote: >Em sábado, 9 de julho de 2016 05:24:04 UTC-3, Duncan Guthrie escreveu: >> On 9 July 2016 09:12:28 BST, juris...@gmail.com wrote: >> >> I definitely think we should remove that guide though. Nouveau >> >supports almost all Nvidia cards, and Qubes includes the signed >> >firmware required for the newer Nvidia cards. With Nouveau we can >now >> >have 3D acceleration in dom0 without the proprietary driver. From >> >hardware support perspective we don't need to show people how to >> >install proprietary driver in dom0, if they want to, can't they just >> >ask on the mailing list? It is also bad for people's software >freedom >> >to support the proprietary driver. Thoughts? >> >> >> >> D. >> > >> >Duncan, nouveau is kinda bugged, new distros are starting to have >this >> >issues in their forums or add an NVIDIA or AMD option in their grub >> >menu (nomodeset option), for example, check the small distro FATDOG >64 >> >(puppy linyx) grub menu, for the problematic new cards that doesnt >work >> >with those old drivers anymore >> >> Links, evidence? >> Newer cards do work, with signed firmware, which Qubes includes. Look >at the supported cards page on Nouveau. >> >> D. > >Sorry, got no links. But i have a nvidia gtx 960. Is not working with >nouveau combined with my onboard intel in all distros. This last month >i tested like 8 or 9 distros and i had problems with all. The only >solutions are the proprietary driver or grub nomodeset. FatDog 64 has >nvidia and amd options in main grub menu for problematic new gpus. Oh, I see. This means Nouveau works, it is just that Fedora doesn't set the right GRUB options. What you should do is raise the issue with Fedora as a bug. They will probably fix it. Hope that works, D. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "qubes-users" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to qubes-users+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to qubes-users@googlegroups.com. To view this discussion on the web visit https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/qubes-users/0DDE40F4-BECB-495E-B58E-166A85621681%40posteo.net. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
Re: [qubes-users] Re: Qubes top priorities suggestions for me as an user.
Em sábado, 9 de julho de 2016 05:24:04 UTC-3, Duncan Guthrie escreveu: > On 9 July 2016 09:12:28 BST, juris...@gmail.com wrote: > >> I definitely think we should remove that guide though. Nouveau > >supports almost all Nvidia cards, and Qubes includes the signed > >firmware required for the newer Nvidia cards. With Nouveau we can now > >have 3D acceleration in dom0 without the proprietary driver. From > >hardware support perspective we don't need to show people how to > >install proprietary driver in dom0, if they want to, can't they just > >ask on the mailing list? It is also bad for people's software freedom > >to support the proprietary driver. Thoughts? > >> > >> D. > > > >Duncan, nouveau is kinda bugged, new distros are starting to have this > >issues in their forums or add an NVIDIA or AMD option in their grub > >menu (nomodeset option), for example, check the small distro FATDOG 64 > >(puppy linyx) grub menu, for the problematic new cards that doesnt work > >with those old drivers anymore > > Links, evidence? > Newer cards do work, with signed firmware, which Qubes includes. Look at the > supported cards page on Nouveau. > > D. Sorry, got no links. But i have a nvidia gtx 960. Is not working with nouveau combined with my onboard intel in all distros. This last month i tested like 8 or 9 distros and i had problems with all. The only solutions are the proprietary driver or grub nomodeset. FatDog 64 has nvidia and amd options in main grub menu for problematic new gpus. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "qubes-users" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to qubes-users+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to qubes-users@googlegroups.com. To view this discussion on the web visit https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/qubes-users/03fada23-0cf4-4463-8709-a15219a64157%40googlegroups.com. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
Re: [qubes-users] Re: Qubes top priorities suggestions for me as an user.
On 9 July 2016 09:12:28 BST, juris...@gmail.com wrote: >> I definitely think we should remove that guide though. Nouveau >supports almost all Nvidia cards, and Qubes includes the signed >firmware required for the newer Nvidia cards. With Nouveau we can now >have 3D acceleration in dom0 without the proprietary driver. From >hardware support perspective we don't need to show people how to >install proprietary driver in dom0, if they want to, can't they just >ask on the mailing list? It is also bad for people's software freedom >to support the proprietary driver. Thoughts? >> >> D. > >Duncan, nouveau is kinda bugged, new distros are starting to have this >issues in their forums or add an NVIDIA or AMD option in their grub >menu (nomodeset option), for example, check the small distro FATDOG 64 >(puppy linyx) grub menu, for the problematic new cards that doesnt work >with those old drivers anymore Links, evidence? Newer cards do work, with signed firmware, which Qubes includes. Look at the supported cards page on Nouveau. D. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "qubes-users" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to qubes-users+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to qubes-users@googlegroups.com. To view this discussion on the web visit https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/qubes-users/A4F7F31F-5620-49D6-B806-85617FCE9213%40posteo.net. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
Re: [qubes-users] Re: Qubes top priorities suggestions for me as an user.
Am 08.07.2016 um 10:56 schrieb juris...@gmail.com: > HERE!!! This is the perfect qubes solution according to this guy. Whatever they prescribed you, please take your pills. You really need them. To the rest: Could everybody please stop feeding the troll; some of us had quite a busy week and it is bad enough having to catch up with this list without having to wade through this kind of bullshit. Achim -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "qubes-users" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to qubes-users+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to qubes-users@googlegroups.com. To view this discussion on the web visit https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/qubes-users/011a562e-b234-b264-4fd4-84a0fe531d80%40noses.com. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
Re: [qubes-users] Re: Qubes top priorities suggestions for me as an user.
On 07/08/2016 10:56 AM, juris...@gmail.com wrote: > Install nvidia proprietary driver on dom-0 and be happy with the huge > security it will provide And "BE HAPPY" like he is!!! > Dont forget to remove the security warnings about installing those drivers > from the page. Oh, there is none. Cool. > > I am glad someone so smart came to tell how to "be happy" now!!! Thats what > you do when you have a gpu. Don`t isolate it to use, just use in dom-0! great! Seems, you have absolutely no clue about Qubes, Xen and virtualization in general. -- Laszlo Zrubecz -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "qubes-users" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to qubes-users+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to qubes-users@googlegroups.com. To view this discussion on the web visit https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/qubes-users/f74b8acd-05ab-beda-7b2c-e359d69ff11e%40gmail.com. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
Re: [qubes-users] Re: Qubes top priorities suggestions for me as an user.
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA256 On 07/08/2016 10:40 AM, juris...@gmail.com wrote: > Em sexta-feira, 8 de julho de 2016 05:17:54 UTC-3, Laszlo Zrubecz > escreveu: On 07/08/2016 09:54 AM, juris...@gmail.com wrote: Ah and just 1 more thing. Dont forget that a large part of users has FAMILY that uses the computer. And family WILL keep wanting to use windows. And wont allow people to change the system if their fully working windows is not there. > I did not like your tone and i will take that as an insult. Sorry to hear that, because that was not my intention. However I would never talked to you that way you did. I'm only referring to your sentences like: > And family WILL keep wanting to use windows. And wont allow people > to change the system if their fully working windows is not there. > 99% OF PEOPLE WILL NOT INSTALL AND ABANDON WINDOWS IF THEY CANT FULLY > USE VIRTUALIZED WINDOWS INCLUDING GAMES Those people will never ever be the target audience of ANY other operating system. Because they not really need the SOLUTIONS that Qubes can provide. They already sacrificed all the things Qubes can give: Security and Privacy - in turn they can play games and use skype. And all your thinking are around windows?? A commercial, proprietary product of Microsoft. - Who the heck cares about that thing??? (I'm also using that OS anyway, but only for gaming on a SEPARATE machin e) This is an open source desktops solution. If ANY would care about running windows under Qubes for real, why not managed to get a team of programmers to make that work?? - -- Zrubi -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v2 iQIcBAEBCAAGBQJXf4ViAAoJEC3TtYFBiXSvKAcP/3adVRMei3RDo4Ji8F1b7gsm Ldp0QdsipTGTosVIQ3ea+ucGnYwHUWrENAVL9SAOPCfGcu7Q4MOlbyAwqwy03eU/ vdN9/dSKLs4m9sfcS2tl7rvKsyYSN93kIKRGK48SsLmu+pQP1jXQ2Q6pltjGUg2y wLEGU42bkLu2eFwV3XGEhCffbpWUPr41xGQH0nhj4HCUNJgVQUK6cve/hWG/Y3WT wRX+n59EFt9N9Ot4dgKVYyWd79yVwtTr08cAFrNl7PaT51qQc+asb0CDac+sJ7FE 8HGktDt+uYiYsLqbjcsxsvLvFE3pB7LzR9FBS/NLCEFWnLlqz1x5qTkxZeFhrESC BfkoFFCOrVeTVtwdpe0Q1/VqVeSdVGx0bLWDQDLuQQVLiZZFW8I6z1M6qnNSOpA6 rZ4VsI+2O+xL239rM3Z2yA3M6odvDCHFRoWbD/be1bWZzwe1Kh/VUC/y8LN7zi5u G3cZLNzxy/GSpEFrmMgfKxvyI19/YGvvO4P4icuglsjwsHMNpaO0IU8KDaSgRJn+ 3mHOK/8odIyJYh8bgQtYtA2S92EzwOaRxW2qwjrOxfr4DNqyRYKLRiP0W2f4cvQi t4E+TF/qrv0td4utlVtBDw8smOPaDaz7koW0Sbb90kxfujN9xmEc84cgcwRWBGkH kYTtnzJEf0UKXCKDRGNv =0d0k -END PGP SIGNATURE- -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "qubes-users" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to qubes-users+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to qubes-users@googlegroups.com. To view this discussion on the web visit https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/qubes-users/59f8e8e4-dd3f-ffa5-8a11-9328470d2cbc%40zrubi.hu. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
Re: [qubes-users] Re: Qubes top priorities suggestions for me as an user.
On 8 July 2016 09:56:18 BST, juris...@gmail.com wrote: >Em sexta-feira, 8 de julho de 2016 05:17:54 UTC-3, Laszlo Zrubecz >escreveu: >> -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- >> Hash: SHA256 >> >> On 07/08/2016 09:54 AM, juris...@gmail.com wrote: >> > Ah and just 1 more thing. Dont forget that a large part of users >> > has FAMILY that uses the computer. And family WILL keep wanting to >> > use windows. And wont allow people to change the system if their >> > fully working windows is not there. >> >> >> If somebody is happy with his/her windows/MAC/Ubuntu/WhatEver, then >no >> problem at all. They should keep using it. >> >> Qubes is not for everyone. Especially not for the "happy windows >users". >> >> First priority for Qubes is security and privacy. On windows those >tho >> phrase not even exists. Maybe that is the reason for the Windows >users >> not even care about those as well. >> >> BTW Windows itself is not ready for Qubes. It cannot be run as a >> template based system because of: >> - - legal shit. Let's consult your windows licencing expert about >this. >> - - It has no real file system standards, >> - - Moreover don't even keep any standards. >> - - I is keeping all kind of thing in the registry. >> >> These points prevents it from running from template. Or at least make >> your life really hard. >> >> And it is just the OS, then we can start using software made for such >> OS ;) >> >> Most of those are unable to run on a template based windows because >> placing it's shit all over the system, including registry -> they >will >> not survive a reboot and/or messing up everything. >> >> >> Only the real "portable" apps are compatible. >> >> >> >> Ohh, and I'm just a hapy Qubes user - for ages. >> >> - -- >> Zrubi >> -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- >> Version: GnuPG v2 >> >> iQIcBAEBCAAGBQJXf2GjAAoJEC3TtYFBiXSvqCoP/AiL5a2pRcBngzUG54WBOq+s >> bMh86xkOPFjD+Qb7uhumnGR8lPlE/CBus7TbWppyV6Knil26j7QgJODpIHqqhm07 >> YM5uQ7J/z0bgHcIq/hubc3MD7ZYxEXLhtRpqpK8SUPPy6pyjF019LwMyesSiXRCm >> sVfuOeFU+hemZo3SxmNmkmF+2b+g2PovRtpX04qJvuwK8L+aGg9Dcae17Lg/u2V8 >> YRBZBE5EJEow7wRZDWgZ7xlDk2qCN7FtqO52iIl6k9+bhw6Gy/iRLYFxq2Vd/Mhj >> xokQ5kmo2tK3w0gbzQxpkjMMHGlt0mFwpLQ14iNaHLrySwII/wRUSEcpl6LugXiX >> sQXZvwklDF1k+3Kc8SKirMgMWObq/zR6gLypTUVAsRak/+NGwtenbnUkG+fU9g7n >> DlZLtmMSDwWbP77ecJbrRq0xAp4k4jOiJjnZr9EsuGpEyGKd0tEEC5e2ivNyRcYP >> mrPacgCiUwTcR6l8FLM/BU5Ujlwda5oLnpKeEUFcT/OwF2YB5BmFHeoFzBpCNC2p >> 5vJYelE+0sufI6Y9Wmgt6pHOMp6R8JV5j8bYs46paKwXTc97BrJvLtPiJS8Ni2xy >> 3BoxMJuy2RMqtXYMdcKXYSKh5mKydVgznFbWSFOaN6qbVKRQ12bEfSJidky76lKd >> ed9yLHLGj0c6FbKrz4F7 >> =HkUz >> -END PGP SIGNATURE- > >HERE!!! This is the perfect qubes solution according to this guy. > >https://www.qubes-os.org/doc/install-nvidia-driver/ > >Install nvidia proprietary driver on dom-0 and be happy with the huge >security it will provide And "BE HAPPY" like he is!!! >Dont forget to remove the security warnings about installing those >drivers from the page. Oh, there is none. Cool. > >I am glad someone so smart came to tell how to "be happy" now!!! Thats >what you do when you have a gpu. Don`t isolate it to use, just use in >dom-0! great! I agree that installing the Nvidia driver is definitely not a good idea in dom0, and that Qubes shouldn't be recommending how to install the driver, but there is no need to be so mocking. It is their computer after all. I definitely think we should remove that guide though. Nouveau supports almost all Nvidia cards, and Qubes includes the signed firmware required for the newer Nvidia cards. With Nouveau we can now have 3D acceleration in dom0 without the proprietary driver. From hardware support perspective we don't need to show people how to install proprietary driver in dom0, if they want to, can't they just ask on the mailing list? It is also bad for people's software freedom to support the proprietary driver. Thoughts? D. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "qubes-users" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to qubes-users+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to qubes-users@googlegroups.com. To view this discussion on the web visit https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/qubes-users/C140E843-68C5-443A-B084-998517E1BE2B%40posteo.net. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
Re: [qubes-users] Re: Qubes top priorities suggestions for me as an user.
On 8 July 2016 08:51:00 BST, juris...@gmail.com wrote: >I think programers have some kinda problem. >They insist in trying to transform linux in something already is, >something that wont bring windows users, just people into the IT world. You do realise that most of us are not programmers? Just because we understand Qubes doesn't make us programmers. We use Qubes for general tasks because it suits us. Qubes is a general purpose operating system, albeit with some restrictions due to its unique design. >So lemme tell you. I posted a HOW TO in a 300k people group this week. >NORMAL people. Not what YOU think that are normal people. Not 3d >pinters. Just a facebook group in wich i have 3k friends and lots od >people read what i post. The thread had 700 comments. 99% OF PEOPLE >WILL NOT INSTALL AND ABANDON WINDOWS IF THEY CANT FULLY USE VIRTUALIZED >WINDOWS INCLUDING GAMES. AND MOST PEOPLE HAVE A DEDICATED GPU. >Specially the new generation. They do not live without games. PERIOD. If they want to use Qubes nothing is stopping them. But allowing GPU passthrough even more than now will destroy security. Then Qubes is just another GNU+Linux distribution. Can't these kids learn to compromise? >Most will still KEEP their unsafe windows profiles for facebook, skype >etc. With qubes they will CREATE new safe and isolated profiles for >different purposes. If you had paid an expensive market research you >would learn hat. Even canonical that HAS a good budget on this made a >mistake to force people to change too much to use their product. >Because of a single start menu button they wanted to EDUCATE people not >to use. > >If you want to REMAIN WRONg, you > >- consider some kinda autistic thinking about to WHO is qubes directed >with a limited mind about what are the activities of a NORMAL PERSON >inside a computer. You didn't need to say this. It stigmatises autistic people. > >- insist to ignore that people that pass from windows to linux are from >16 to 26 years mostly and that their profile nowadays is of people that >do not live without their games or their windows tools they used the >whole life and that qubes must provide ALTERNATIVES of isolated use for >things that APPEARS with profiles. > I know people who don't play video games heavily in this age group. They are quite knowledgeable about computers and not tethered to anything by games. And even if they were, they have a good mindset and are willing to compromise to protect their security. You criticised people on this thread for defining typical computing activities, and then make a generalised assertion about an entire age group based on your Facebook friends. >- insist to ignore that qubes users has high end computers and that >MOST has a second dedicated GPU > >- insist to ignore that most people WILL have a nvidia and that its use >in dom-0 or dual monitor will compromise the qubes security. > For a start, I use a computer from 2008 (a ThinkPad X200) and it is below the minimal hardware requirements. It works fine, and is hardly high-end by today's standards. If I also recall, dom0 supports 3D acceleration as it has access to hardware, I'm not sure where you get the idea you need a dedicated GPU. There are efforts to make GPU more secure by putting it in a domain so it in theory has no access to userspace programs running. >- insist in ignore that NOONE that has spent money in a dedicated gpu >will retire the gpu. > >- insist to ignore that qubes is also not directed to office public, in >office work, because qubes dont even have isolation for physical acess. >I can not even go to sleep and leave some stranger into my computer or >a girl with some gui menu that allows me to only release ONE vm for him >to mess while i am away and lock all other vms. We have NO way of >locking the acess to dom-0 yet and in a lock screen have button or a >password to release one vm. That is an idea a had but in this stage >with so many to do, is not a priority to isolate the physical machine >from normal unwanted guests to acess > >- ignore that all the distros that WORKED outside it world has a MAIN >reason that is providing a SMOOTH pass from windows to linux. wine, >virtualization, etc. AND that more than 90% of people, not to say 99% >if they are not from IT world will ONLY use windows WITH DUAL BOOT. > The IT world I assume is computer R and offices. If these people you refer to want games, then they should understand Qubes doesn't work for heavy gaming, as its design is to be secure. These people on Facebook who say they would switch, most will not. It is much easier not to. If they haven't switched to other GNU+Linux systems then they aren't going to switch to Qubes. Unless we let the games run in raw hardware (they are proprietary, incredibly complex, require many libraries) they won't be very fast. That would defeat the point of Qubes entirely. Tell your Facebook friends to run the games on a dedicated computer which has no
[qubes-users] Re: Qubes top priorities suggestions for me as an user.
Here, lazlo!!! I found a tale for you. is about HAPYNESS ang ignorance. it is 1 page only, from a guy named VOLTAIRE. http://www.online-literature.com/voltaire/4411/ "The Good Brahmin DOES HAPPINESS RESULT FROM IGNORANCE OR FROM KNOWLEDGE?" read it. And REMAIN HAPPY! I chose knowledge. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "qubes-users" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to qubes-users+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to qubes-users@googlegroups.com. To view this discussion on the web visit https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/qubes-users/ead40afd-101a-4cf7-ae26-9ceec241da65%40googlegroups.com. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
Re: [qubes-users] Re: Qubes top priorities suggestions for me as an user.
Em sexta-feira, 8 de julho de 2016 05:17:54 UTC-3, Laszlo Zrubecz escreveu: > -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- > Hash: SHA256 > > On 07/08/2016 09:54 AM, juris...@gmail.com wrote: > > Ah and just 1 more thing. Dont forget that a large part of users > > has FAMILY that uses the computer. And family WILL keep wanting to > > use windows. And wont allow people to change the system if their > > fully working windows is not there. > > > If somebody is happy with his/her windows/MAC/Ubuntu/WhatEver, then no > problem at all. They should keep using it. > > Qubes is not for everyone. Especially not for the "happy windows users". > > First priority for Qubes is security and privacy. On windows those tho > phrase not even exists. Maybe that is the reason for the Windows users > not even care about those as well. > > BTW Windows itself is not ready for Qubes. It cannot be run as a > template based system because of: > - - legal shit. Let's consult your windows licencing expert about this. > - - It has no real file system standards, > - - Moreover don't even keep any standards. > - - I is keeping all kind of thing in the registry. > > These points prevents it from running from template. Or at least make > your life really hard. > > And it is just the OS, then we can start using software made for such > OS ;) > > Most of those are unable to run on a template based windows because > placing it's shit all over the system, including registry -> they will > not survive a reboot and/or messing up everything. > > > Only the real "portable" apps are compatible. > > > > Ohh, and I'm just a hapy Qubes user - for ages. > > - -- > Zrubi > -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- > Version: GnuPG v2 > > iQIcBAEBCAAGBQJXf2GjAAoJEC3TtYFBiXSvqCoP/AiL5a2pRcBngzUG54WBOq+s > bMh86xkOPFjD+Qb7uhumnGR8lPlE/CBus7TbWppyV6Knil26j7QgJODpIHqqhm07 > YM5uQ7J/z0bgHcIq/hubc3MD7ZYxEXLhtRpqpK8SUPPy6pyjF019LwMyesSiXRCm > sVfuOeFU+hemZo3SxmNmkmF+2b+g2PovRtpX04qJvuwK8L+aGg9Dcae17Lg/u2V8 > YRBZBE5EJEow7wRZDWgZ7xlDk2qCN7FtqO52iIl6k9+bhw6Gy/iRLYFxq2Vd/Mhj > xokQ5kmo2tK3w0gbzQxpkjMMHGlt0mFwpLQ14iNaHLrySwII/wRUSEcpl6LugXiX > sQXZvwklDF1k+3Kc8SKirMgMWObq/zR6gLypTUVAsRak/+NGwtenbnUkG+fU9g7n > DlZLtmMSDwWbP77ecJbrRq0xAp4k4jOiJjnZr9EsuGpEyGKd0tEEC5e2ivNyRcYP > mrPacgCiUwTcR6l8FLM/BU5Ujlwda5oLnpKeEUFcT/OwF2YB5BmFHeoFzBpCNC2p > 5vJYelE+0sufI6Y9Wmgt6pHOMp6R8JV5j8bYs46paKwXTc97BrJvLtPiJS8Ni2xy > 3BoxMJuy2RMqtXYMdcKXYSKh5mKydVgznFbWSFOaN6qbVKRQ12bEfSJidky76lKd > ed9yLHLGj0c6FbKrz4F7 > =HkUz > -END PGP SIGNATURE- HERE!!! This is the perfect qubes solution according to this guy. https://www.qubes-os.org/doc/install-nvidia-driver/ Install nvidia proprietary driver on dom-0 and be happy with the huge security it will provide And "BE HAPPY" like he is!!! Dont forget to remove the security warnings about installing those drivers from the page. Oh, there is none. Cool. I am glad someone so smart came to tell how to "be happy" now!!! Thats what you do when you have a gpu. Don`t isolate it to use, just use in dom-0! great! -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "qubes-users" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to qubes-users+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to qubes-users@googlegroups.com. To view this discussion on the web visit https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/qubes-users/f7c163a1-7962-4b3d-88d3-b56b6d63ab59%40googlegroups.com. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
Re: [qubes-users] Re: Qubes top priorities suggestions for me as an user.
Em sexta-feira, 8 de julho de 2016 05:17:54 UTC-3, Laszlo Zrubecz escreveu: > -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- > Hash: SHA256 > > On 07/08/2016 09:54 AM, juris...@gmail.com wrote: > > Ah and just 1 more thing. Dont forget that a large part of users > > has FAMILY that uses the computer. And family WILL keep wanting to > > use windows. And wont allow people to change the system if their > > fully working windows is not there. > > > If somebody is happy with his/her windows/MAC/Ubuntu/WhatEver, then no > problem at all. They should keep using it. > > Qubes is not for everyone. Especially not for the "happy windows users". > > First priority for Qubes is security and privacy. On windows those tho > phrase not even exists. Maybe that is the reason for the Windows users > not even care about those as well. > > BTW Windows itself is not ready for Qubes. It cannot be run as a > template based system because of: > - - legal shit. Let's consult your windows licencing expert about this. > - - It has no real file system standards, > - - Moreover don't even keep any standards. > - - I is keeping all kind of thing in the registry. > > These points prevents it from running from template. Or at least make > your life really hard. > > And it is just the OS, then we can start using software made for such > OS ;) > > Most of those are unable to run on a template based windows because > placing it's shit all over the system, including registry -> they will > not survive a reboot and/or messing up everything. > > > Only the real "portable" apps are compatible. > > > > Ohh, and I'm just a hapy Qubes user - for ages. > > - -- > Zrubi > -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- > Version: GnuPG v2 > > iQIcBAEBCAAGBQJXf2GjAAoJEC3TtYFBiXSvqCoP/AiL5a2pRcBngzUG54WBOq+s > bMh86xkOPFjD+Qb7uhumnGR8lPlE/CBus7TbWppyV6Knil26j7QgJODpIHqqhm07 > YM5uQ7J/z0bgHcIq/hubc3MD7ZYxEXLhtRpqpK8SUPPy6pyjF019LwMyesSiXRCm > sVfuOeFU+hemZo3SxmNmkmF+2b+g2PovRtpX04qJvuwK8L+aGg9Dcae17Lg/u2V8 > YRBZBE5EJEow7wRZDWgZ7xlDk2qCN7FtqO52iIl6k9+bhw6Gy/iRLYFxq2Vd/Mhj > xokQ5kmo2tK3w0gbzQxpkjMMHGlt0mFwpLQ14iNaHLrySwII/wRUSEcpl6LugXiX > sQXZvwklDF1k+3Kc8SKirMgMWObq/zR6gLypTUVAsRak/+NGwtenbnUkG+fU9g7n > DlZLtmMSDwWbP77ecJbrRq0xAp4k4jOiJjnZr9EsuGpEyGKd0tEEC5e2ivNyRcYP > mrPacgCiUwTcR6l8FLM/BU5Ujlwda5oLnpKeEUFcT/OwF2YB5BmFHeoFzBpCNC2p > 5vJYelE+0sufI6Y9Wmgt6pHOMp6R8JV5j8bYs46paKwXTc97BrJvLtPiJS8Ni2xy > 3BoxMJuy2RMqtXYMdcKXYSKh5mKydVgznFbWSFOaN6qbVKRQ12bEfSJidky76lKd > ed9yLHLGj0c6FbKrz4F7 > =HkUz > -END PGP SIGNATURE- SORRY PEOPLE I APOLOGIZE!!! i have a NVIDIA GPU. I failed to understand that if gpu spy is a security problem, i must not use my second monitor. I FAILED to understand that i NEED TO USE it in dom-0 and fail in security or throw it in garbage according to this guy. Virtualization of qubes is made to web browse and send e-mails. Seems i failed to understand that GPUS FOR QUBES USERS IS TO USE IN DOM-0 without virtualization! THAT is the idea of security!!! Ah!!! Remember to tell qubes developers to REMOVE windows tools! "Qubes is not made to use with windows", let them stay in their OS. Let EVERYONE stay in the OS they use. Is that what you want people to reach? Your way of thinking? One that is exclusive yours? ok. HE IS HAPPY with what he has so you need not to improve nothing else on qubes, did you understand developers? -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "qubes-users" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to qubes-users+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to qubes-users@googlegroups.com. To view this discussion on the web visit https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/qubes-users/3fdde75c-8e18-433f-af8d-9d25a86d029b%40googlegroups.com. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
Re: [qubes-users] Re: Qubes top priorities suggestions for me as an user.
Em sexta-feira, 8 de julho de 2016 05:17:54 UTC-3, Laszlo Zrubecz escreveu: > -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- > Hash: SHA256 > > On 07/08/2016 09:54 AM, juris...@gmail.com wrote: > > Ah and just 1 more thing. Dont forget that a large part of users > > has FAMILY that uses the computer. And family WILL keep wanting to > > use windows. And wont allow people to change the system if their > > fully working windows is not there. > > > If somebody is happy with his/her windows/MAC/Ubuntu/WhatEver, then no > problem at all. They should keep using it. > > Qubes is not for everyone. Especially not for the "happy windows users". > > First priority for Qubes is security and privacy. On windows those tho > phrase not even exists. Maybe that is the reason for the Windows users > not even care about those as well. > > BTW Windows itself is not ready for Qubes. It cannot be run as a > template based system because of: > - - legal shit. Let's consult your windows licencing expert about this. > - - It has no real file system standards, > - - Moreover don't even keep any standards. > - - I is keeping all kind of thing in the registry. > > These points prevents it from running from template. Or at least make > your life really hard. > > And it is just the OS, then we can start using software made for such > OS ;) > > Most of those are unable to run on a template based windows because > placing it's shit all over the system, including registry -> they will > not survive a reboot and/or messing up everything. > > > Only the real "portable" apps are compatible. > > > > Ohh, and I'm just a hapy Qubes user - for ages. > > - -- > Zrubi > -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- > Version: GnuPG v2 > > iQIcBAEBCAAGBQJXf2GjAAoJEC3TtYFBiXSvqCoP/AiL5a2pRcBngzUG54WBOq+s > bMh86xkOPFjD+Qb7uhumnGR8lPlE/CBus7TbWppyV6Knil26j7QgJODpIHqqhm07 > YM5uQ7J/z0bgHcIq/hubc3MD7ZYxEXLhtRpqpK8SUPPy6pyjF019LwMyesSiXRCm > sVfuOeFU+hemZo3SxmNmkmF+2b+g2PovRtpX04qJvuwK8L+aGg9Dcae17Lg/u2V8 > YRBZBE5EJEow7wRZDWgZ7xlDk2qCN7FtqO52iIl6k9+bhw6Gy/iRLYFxq2Vd/Mhj > xokQ5kmo2tK3w0gbzQxpkjMMHGlt0mFwpLQ14iNaHLrySwII/wRUSEcpl6LugXiX > sQXZvwklDF1k+3Kc8SKirMgMWObq/zR6gLypTUVAsRak/+NGwtenbnUkG+fU9g7n > DlZLtmMSDwWbP77ecJbrRq0xAp4k4jOiJjnZr9EsuGpEyGKd0tEEC5e2ivNyRcYP > mrPacgCiUwTcR6l8FLM/BU5Ujlwda5oLnpKeEUFcT/OwF2YB5BmFHeoFzBpCNC2p > 5vJYelE+0sufI6Y9Wmgt6pHOMp6R8JV5j8bYs46paKwXTc97BrJvLtPiJS8Ni2xy > 3BoxMJuy2RMqtXYMdcKXYSKh5mKydVgznFbWSFOaN6qbVKRQ12bEfSJidky76lKd > ed9yLHLGj0c6FbKrz4F7 > =HkUz > -END PGP SIGNATURE- I did not like your tone and i will take that as an insult. If you were happy with a TYPEWRITER, you should keep using it. That is your way of thinking. Sory to say, but you have a limited mind. If you failed to understand that gpu passtrough is a security problem, try to read again. Noone cares, and should not care if it reaches YOUR personal needs as an IT user. If you think that qubes is directed to provide security to a VERY SMALL AND RESTRICT group, congratulations. You failed again. At least as a thinker to direct the ship. You may even be good in isolated tasks, but you are unable to see the whole picture. i am sorry. In the post i teached how to use TAILS, there are HUNDREDS of people that uses it now. Qubes? There were hundreds interested. The main question was FULL WINDOWS FUNCIONALITY. And that lack made almost all give up untill that funcionality is ready. If you are happy with what you have, dont invent nothing else. That is a real stupid way of thinking. You are someone destinated to work for others. a sheep. Noone told you to PROVIDE A WINDOWS TEMPLATE. People install it. It is not forbidden. If you are HAPPY WITH WHAT YOU HAVE, do not upgrade anymore. Do not use NONE of new funcionalities. Stop. Freeze your system to make it become like your brain. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "qubes-users" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to qubes-users+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to qubes-users@googlegroups.com. To view this discussion on the web visit https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/qubes-users/1d95d9b0-77e1-4cb7-a031-11a9bd9446a9%40googlegroups.com. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
Re: [qubes-users] Re: Qubes top priorities suggestions for me as an user.
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA256 On 07/08/2016 09:54 AM, juris...@gmail.com wrote: > Ah and just 1 more thing. Dont forget that a large part of users > has FAMILY that uses the computer. And family WILL keep wanting to > use windows. And wont allow people to change the system if their > fully working windows is not there. If somebody is happy with his/her windows/MAC/Ubuntu/WhatEver, then no problem at all. They should keep using it. Qubes is not for everyone. Especially not for the "happy windows users". First priority for Qubes is security and privacy. On windows those tho phrase not even exists. Maybe that is the reason for the Windows users not even care about those as well. BTW Windows itself is not ready for Qubes. It cannot be run as a template based system because of: - - legal shit. Let's consult your windows licencing expert about this. - - It has no real file system standards, - - Moreover don't even keep any standards. - - I is keeping all kind of thing in the registry. These points prevents it from running from template. Or at least make your life really hard. And it is just the OS, then we can start using software made for such OS ;) Most of those are unable to run on a template based windows because placing it's shit all over the system, including registry -> they will not survive a reboot and/or messing up everything. Only the real "portable" apps are compatible. Ohh, and I'm just a hapy Qubes user - for ages. - -- Zrubi -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v2 iQIcBAEBCAAGBQJXf2GjAAoJEC3TtYFBiXSvqCoP/AiL5a2pRcBngzUG54WBOq+s bMh86xkOPFjD+Qb7uhumnGR8lPlE/CBus7TbWppyV6Knil26j7QgJODpIHqqhm07 YM5uQ7J/z0bgHcIq/hubc3MD7ZYxEXLhtRpqpK8SUPPy6pyjF019LwMyesSiXRCm sVfuOeFU+hemZo3SxmNmkmF+2b+g2PovRtpX04qJvuwK8L+aGg9Dcae17Lg/u2V8 YRBZBE5EJEow7wRZDWgZ7xlDk2qCN7FtqO52iIl6k9+bhw6Gy/iRLYFxq2Vd/Mhj xokQ5kmo2tK3w0gbzQxpkjMMHGlt0mFwpLQ14iNaHLrySwII/wRUSEcpl6LugXiX sQXZvwklDF1k+3Kc8SKirMgMWObq/zR6gLypTUVAsRak/+NGwtenbnUkG+fU9g7n DlZLtmMSDwWbP77ecJbrRq0xAp4k4jOiJjnZr9EsuGpEyGKd0tEEC5e2ivNyRcYP mrPacgCiUwTcR6l8FLM/BU5Ujlwda5oLnpKeEUFcT/OwF2YB5BmFHeoFzBpCNC2p 5vJYelE+0sufI6Y9Wmgt6pHOMp6R8JV5j8bYs46paKwXTc97BrJvLtPiJS8Ni2xy 3BoxMJuy2RMqtXYMdcKXYSKh5mKydVgznFbWSFOaN6qbVKRQ12bEfSJidky76lKd ed9yLHLGj0c6FbKrz4F7 =HkUz -END PGP SIGNATURE- -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "qubes-users" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to qubes-users+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to qubes-users@googlegroups.com. To view this discussion on the web visit https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/qubes-users/b34947f2-45a8-76dd-ba93-ab02cb6ca264%40zrubi.hu. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
[qubes-users] Re: Qubes top priorities suggestions for me as an user.
Ah and just 1 more thing. Dont forget that a large part of users has FAMILY that uses the computer. And family WILL keep wanting to use windows. And wont allow people to change the system if their fully working windows is not there. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "qubes-users" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to qubes-users+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to qubes-users@googlegroups.com. To view this discussion on the web visit https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/qubes-users/5a2e7b9c-0649-441f-947e-b4517252e812%40googlegroups.com. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
