Re: [qubes-users] Re: Should there be a Qubes OS forum?
On Thursday, May 12, 2016 at 12:05:01 AM UTC-5, Chris Laprise wrote: > > > > On 05/11/2016 10:43 PM, Drew White wrote: > > > > > > On Wednesday, 11 May 2016 16:23:46 UTC+10, Jeremy Rand wrote: > > > > Long ago I stopped paying attention to Drew's comments, but this one > > is too funny not to notice. > > > > If you stopped paying attention then you wouldn't have seen this or read > > it. So you do not actually pay no attention. > > Saying it's too funny to notice means that you paid attention to it in > the > > first place to notice that it was funny by reading it. > > > > > > I'm not sure why Drew uses GNU/Linux (or other libre) systems at > all, > > given his belief in the cult of security by obscurity. Drew seems > > like he'd be better off using OS X or Windows. > > > > > > I have no belief in such a cult. I'm just paranoid about security. > > I use Linux because I can secure it better than Windows . And > > OS X is Apple, and I trust Apple only 1% more than I trust Microsoft. > > I trust Linux to a degree of 80%. > > Microsoft I trust maybe 1%, Apple only 2%. > > Now Grasshopper, contemplate the underlying reasons WHY. > > Why do so very many Windows technical queries on the web terminate with > crickets chirping: There are few-to-no experts below a certain > functional level on Windows. In open source systems, there is a > gradation of available expertise that allows people to keep digging > deeper until they get a definite answer (even if that answer is "No" or > "Not yet"). > > Chris > Chris, I agree with your points. I am a medium tech type, definitely Windows background and trying (out of "learner" interest) to gear up on Linux and derivations. When I first heard of Qubes I was very excited because it would finally solve a lot of problems I've experienced with my previous windows systems. And, since I have begun to do things on Linux the idea of having the Qubes framework seemed awesome and simple. If find however that reproducing my day to day paradigm is an extremely difficult journey. My paradigm includes a lot of technical, and also musician interest. Just getting to the basics of playing mp3s or running what I normally run in windows seems like a battle. I have a need to be "learner" on the Linux systems, but still flip to Windows on my day to day routine. I have to swap monitors and go to trouble right now switching - it concerns me that it's this hard. I want to learn, but getting answers is also difficult. I do understand the mantra on here about teaching people to help themselves. But, if the goal is to achieve wide spread adoption of Qubes then something else needs to happen. On the forum question specifically - I frankly like the idea. I also share the concern expressed that all the info is not in one place. For what it's worth, my vote would be to dump everything except the forum, take this to the next level. Thanks,. Patrick -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "qubes-users" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to qubes-users+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to qubes-users@googlegroups.com. To view this discussion on the web visit https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/qubes-users/42651f0f-962f-48fe-937d-3614f293597e%40googlegroups.com. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
[qubes-users] Re: Should there be a Qubes OS forum?
My vote is "YAY". On Wednesday, May 11, 2016 at 4:04:17 AM UTC+2, Andrew David Wong wrote: > > -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- > Hash: SHA512 > > Hi all, > > Over the years, it's often been suggested that Qubes have a forum in > addition to the mailing lists. Someone has approached us and offered > to host such a forum. (IIRC, others have also made similar offers over > the years.) Before we make any final decision about this, we'd like to > ask for feedback and advice from the community. Here are the main > questions we're wondering about: > > 1. Which coummunity needs (if any) would a forum satisfy that are not > currently being met in other ways? > 2. What would be the disadvantages (if any) of having a forum? > 3. If there were a Qubes forum, should it be official (i.e., run by > us) or unofficial (i.e., run by a third party)? > 4. If we decided to create a forum, what would be the best way to > implement it? > > To clarify the first question, note that the following already exist: > > * The qubes-users and qubes-devel Google Groups (which Google describe > as fora) > * GitHub: https://github.com/QubesOS > * Twitter: https://twitter.com/QubesOS/ > * Facebook: https://www.facebook.com/QubesOS/ > * Reddit: https://www.reddit.com/r/Qubes/ > > (We currently don't have a StackExchange site, but I've created a > proposal for one here: https://area51.stackexchange.com/proposals/98519/ > It'll require more followers and questions to move on to the next > phase, so if you think that it should exist, consider following it and > adding questions of your own.) > > The question is: What benefits would a forum provide that these other > sites don't or can't? > > I realize that this is a broad issue, but please try to keep the > discussion on topic. Our goal here is to get feedback from the > community that will help us make a decision about whether to create > (or endorse the creation of) a forum and, if so, what kind. > > Best, > Andrew > > - -- > Andrew David Wong (Axon) > Community Manager, Qubes OS > https://www.qubes-os.org > -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- > > iQIcBAEBCgAGBQJXMpMMAAoJENtN07w5UDAwDUUQAMtf4OnT9KIEk1ieQnYe/NFN > 97/pdIrGI1ghtP786grXfwu89iL/miokXTfuXXYkyK1dRjAJ4zV3P94YAqA0vcTj > ulQwOj8Wcc8SfT0/nGgammiTzkVovsJQ5W+T+Yumd9dNYZ5p/+ITxeMWVxmZRwIO > VxO/U5yEQwJnsl/ZWwnjeiUAxAs2plUla/J6HF8h4GjsuANM76n/Snz76eYEI14x > ByXnOyKz8uz1dKQae3cCO9sZ3n5PqLSrV1UsRG3Ym1moFJUYck2iISaR5kABqrxo > zOwOq5bUiCZ8mvdR82J0ObyKG1jKQjL71dxEv+YD3tSl9+w1tPNirMdocr3JvrXM > Jfg8unEPramecS6VKBYJMVKPuN9WkxFq+O8TCncoL1jtAhwEuuUC2ZViO+pTnHKS > KjIhG44Ug6jizjXyl50NvxAgZzrepv+e6DAbz6RbRIKYWFTn5lH3Ec0tRVuZjRGC > 2KFwEwrXCpbktveIZhkYqP3SLjRr5eZxeIELLJ05p19BXguQVuETLJJTALVrFLq/ > N7cFOsTAxsqcn3pxSIkVO7K4sjsxTm03QFYe//3pXC+xITF64JUoND/OEG+ll9kF > UuvPElw52YMolXQ3QxKTtAVaqALc0EdclV/6GXuL23xDUL9qzPt/QfAI8GjjuHf6 > aQ+F6yaLv45Gma7Ubnhe > =VaYk > -END PGP SIGNATURE- > > -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "qubes-users" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to qubes-users+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to qubes-users@googlegroups.com. To view this discussion on the web visit https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/qubes-users/4e4e8be7-1986-4589-94f8-0c36e1b88857%40googlegroups.com. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
