Re: [qubes-users] Whonix 15 has been released

2019-07-05 Thread rysiek
Hey,

On 7/3/19 4:44 PM, 'trichel' via qubes-users wrote:
>> I got the impression that a complete reinstall requires (a) a fedora
>> appvm (I have none), (b) does not work over TOR, since the AppVM's
>> based on whonix must be removed (or set to dummy template) before
>> removing the whonix-14-templates. Then sys-whonix is gone, right?
>> That seems awkward asprocedure. Can someone explain, please? Why can't I
>> install whonix-gw-15 and whonix-ws-15 via dnf in dom0 and THEN remove
>> the -14- ones? Cheers, Bernhard
> 
> After botching the whonix-14 template with an unsuccessful upgrade attempt I 
> reinstalled it by entering sudo qubes-dom0-update 
> --enablerepo=qubes-templates-community --action=reinstall 
> qubes-template-whonix-gw-14 as explained at 
> https://www.whonix.org/wiki/Qubes/Reinstall
> 
> Because this page gives 'sudo qubesctl state.sls qvm.anon-whonix' as a 
> mandatory step I executed that after the reinstall. This installed 2 new 
> templates whonix-gw-15, whonix-ws-15 and a whonix-ws-15-dvm, with all the old 
> stuff still present. I deleted the Whonix 14 templates with dnf and all seems 
> fine now.
> 
> So, apparently just entering sudo qubesctl state.sls qvm.anon-whonix is the 
> easiest way to install new Whonix 15 templates. I didn't create a special 
> update VM for this. Probably it is best to remove the old ones first even 
> though it also works if you don't, apparently. If you need to *upgrade* for 
> some reason (instead of simply replacing the templates with new ones) then 
> you should *NOT* follow this procedure, of course.
> Also see: https://www.whonix.org/wiki/Qubes/Install
> 
> I find it pretty confusing too ... Maybe an expert can give some additional 
> info :)

No expert here, but tested stuff on a QubesOS R4.0 with a working Whonix
14 installation.

Running `sudo qubesctl state.sls qvm.anon-whonix` alone would *not*
install Whonix 15 for me, it would just note that all relevant VMs exist
already and call it quits.


What worked for me was:


1. Install the Whonix 15 templates:

sudo qubes-dom0-update \
  --enablerepo=qubes-templates-community \
  --action=install \
  qubes-template-whonix-gw-15 \
  qubes-template-whonix-gw-15


2. Using Qube Manager, change the templates for relevant qubes
(sys-whonix, anon-whonix, whonix-ws-14-dvm) to relevant Whonix 15 templates.

Restart any modified qubes afterwards, of course, and test stuff works.


3. Remove the unneeded Whonix 14 templates:

sudo dnf remove \
  qubes-template-whonix-gw-14 \
  qubes-template-whonix-gw-14



So far so good.

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Re: [qubes-users] Whonix 15 has been released

2019-07-03 Thread drokmed
On Wednesday, July 3, 2019 at 7:10:13 PM UTC-7, awokd wrote:
> drok...@gmail.com:
> 
> > Followed the instructions, removed ALL whonix stuff.
> > 
> > To install new version, you run:
> > 
> > sudo qubesctl state.sls qvm.anon-whonix
> > 
> > All that did was re-install all of the whonix-14 stuff I just removed.  
> > Back to where I started.
> 
> Well, huh. Here's the merge to master that should have set it to pull
> -15 instead. Try updating that jinja file manually per Jon's suggestion?

Actually, I found an easier way.  The way it should be, really.

>From dom0 terminal:

sudo qubes-dom0-update --enablerepo=qubes-templates-community --action=install 
qubes-template-whonix-gw-15

sudo qubes-dom0-update --enablerepo=qubes-templates-community --action=install 
qubes-template-whonix-ws-15

Works fine here.  Can't upgrade from Qube Manager, but can upgrade manually 
from a terminal:

sudo apt-get-update-plus dist-upgrade

When a new template comes out, should be easy to upgrade to, or at a minimum, 
just remove, then install new one.  I'll stick with these for now.  Works.

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Re: [qubes-users] Whonix 15 has been released

2019-07-03 Thread 'awokd' via qubes-users
drok...@gmail.com:

> Followed the instructions, removed ALL whonix stuff.
> 
> To install new version, you run:
> 
> sudo qubesctl state.sls qvm.anon-whonix
> 
> All that did was re-install all of the whonix-14 stuff I just removed.  Back 
> to where I started.

Well, huh. Here's the merge to master that should have set it to pull
-15 instead. Try updating that jinja file manually per Jon's suggestion?

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Re: [qubes-users] Whonix 15 has been released

2019-07-03 Thread drokmed
On Wednesday, July 3, 2019 at 1:13:58 PM UTC-7, awokd wrote:
> Daniil Travnikov:
> > On Wednesday, July 3, 2019 at 6:52:03 PM UTC+3, dro...@gmail.com wrote:
> >> On Wednesday, July 3, 2019 at 8:21:44 AM UTC-7, Daniil Travnikov wrote:
> >>> On Wednesday, July 3, 2019 at 5:43:26 PM UTC+3, dro...@gmail.com wrote:
>  Unless you want to join the testing efforts, I would wait until Qubes 
>  releases official whonix templates, before trying to install the new 
>  version.
> >>>
> >>> What do you mean? I thought 15 version of Whonix already official in 
> >>> Qubes. Or I am missing something?
> >>
> >> No, it was officially released by WHONIX, not by Qubes.  I'm sure the 
> >> Qubes engineers are working on an official template as we speak.
> > 
> > Tell me please where did you find official Whonix template released by 
> > Qubes engineers? I mean for example if I have now the 13 version of Whonix, 
> > where could I get the 14 version from?
> > 
> Please see https://www.whonix.org/wiki/Qubes/Install to upgrade your
> Whonix qubes. 13 is out of date and unsupported. 15 is the new version.
> 
> Whonix templates are developed and maintained by the Whonix team. They
> are available from the Qubes "community" repo. Following the linked
> procedure will result in them getting downloaded from there. Unless
> there have been some recent developments, they are not technically Qubes
> official templates- those are located in the templates-itl repo.
> 
> In other words, Qubes-Whonix 15 is as official as it's going to get. :)
> Looks like Qubes 4.0.2 is on the way which will include the updated
> templates too, but it could be a couple months:
> https://github.com/QubesOS/qubes-issues/issues/5108.

Followed the instructions, removed ALL whonix stuff.

To install new version, you run:

sudo qubesctl state.sls qvm.anon-whonix

All that did was re-install all of the whonix-14 stuff I just removed.  Back to 
where I started.

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Re: [qubes-users] Whonix 15 has been released

2019-07-03 Thread 'awokd' via qubes-users
Daniil Travnikov:
> On Wednesday, July 3, 2019 at 6:52:03 PM UTC+3, dro...@gmail.com wrote:
>> On Wednesday, July 3, 2019 at 8:21:44 AM UTC-7, Daniil Travnikov wrote:
>>> On Wednesday, July 3, 2019 at 5:43:26 PM UTC+3, dro...@gmail.com wrote:
 Unless you want to join the testing efforts, I would wait until Qubes 
 releases official whonix templates, before trying to install the new 
 version.
>>>
>>> What do you mean? I thought 15 version of Whonix already official in Qubes. 
>>> Or I am missing something?
>>
>> No, it was officially released by WHONIX, not by Qubes.  I'm sure the Qubes 
>> engineers are working on an official template as we speak.
> 
> Tell me please where did you find official Whonix template released by Qubes 
> engineers? I mean for example if I have now the 13 version of Whonix, where 
> could I get the 14 version from?
> 
Please see https://www.whonix.org/wiki/Qubes/Install to upgrade your
Whonix qubes. 13 is out of date and unsupported. 15 is the new version.

Whonix templates are developed and maintained by the Whonix team. They
are available from the Qubes "community" repo. Following the linked
procedure will result in them getting downloaded from there. Unless
there have been some recent developments, they are not technically Qubes
official templates- those are located in the templates-itl repo.

In other words, Qubes-Whonix 15 is as official as it's going to get. :)
Looks like Qubes 4.0.2 is on the way which will include the updated
templates too, but it could be a couple months:
https://github.com/QubesOS/qubes-issues/issues/5108.

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Re: [qubes-users] Whonix 15 has been released

2019-07-03 Thread 'awokd' via qubes-users
Daniil Travnikov:
> On Wednesday, July 3, 2019 at 4:24:01 AM UTC+3, haaber wrote:
>> The "instructions" on the whonix webpage are more than confusing. There
>> are 3 alternative "ways" suggested. Which one is best /advised?
>>
>> I got the impression that a complete reinstall requires (a) a fedora
>> appvm (I have none), (b) does *not* work over TOR, since the AppVM's
>> based on whonix must be removed (or set to dummy  template) before
>> removing the whonix-14-templates. Then sys-whonix is gone, right?
>> That seems awkward asprocedure. Can someone explain, please? Why can't I
>> install whonix-gw-15 and whonix-ws-15 via dnf in dom0 and THEN remove
>> the *-14-* ones? Cheers, Bernhard

> Thank you for your post, I thought that I am alone, but I think the same.
> 
> I don't understand why in Qubes we can't install Whonix Templates of any 
> version from Dom0 like we usually do when we want to install Fedora,
> for example:
> 
> sudo qubes-dom0-update qubes-template-fedora-XX
> 
I don't see why you couldn't, but you should possibly recreate
sys-whonix and anon-whonix. Not sure it's safe to re-use them. You
should try to use the Salt commands to do this, once you have the -15
templates installed and the -14 and sys/anon-whonix removed. Make sure
you're on mgmt-salt-dom0-virtual-machines v4.0.16 or higher. If you are
doing it manually, you should review everything the scripts do to make
sure you've run the appropriate qvm-features commands, etc. Not
following all the same steps as the Salt scripts could result in
unexpected traffic disclosures. Haven't upgraded these myself yet; I'll
let the early adopters work out the bugs first. ;)

See https://github.com/QubesOS/qubes-issues/issues/3765 and
https://github.com/QubesOS/qubes-issues/issues/3447 for a longer
discussion of why the upgrade procedure is the way it is. If you can
write smarter Salt scripts, I suspect the Whonix team would be appreciative.

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Re: [qubes-users] Whonix 15 has been released

2019-07-03 Thread Daniil Travnikov
On Wednesday, July 3, 2019 at 6:52:03 PM UTC+3, dro...@gmail.com wrote:
> On Wednesday, July 3, 2019 at 8:21:44 AM UTC-7, Daniil Travnikov wrote:
> > On Wednesday, July 3, 2019 at 5:43:26 PM UTC+3, dro...@gmail.com wrote:
> > > Unless you want to join the testing efforts, I would wait until Qubes 
> > > releases official whonix templates, before trying to install the new 
> > > version.
> > 
> > What do you mean? I thought 15 version of Whonix already official in Qubes. 
> > Or I am missing something?
> 
> No, it was officially released by WHONIX, not by Qubes.  I'm sure the Qubes 
> engineers are working on an official template as we speak.

Tell me please where did you find official Whonix template released by Qubes 
engineers? I mean for example if I have now the 13 version of Whonix, where 
could I get the 14 version from?

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Re: [qubes-users] Whonix 15 has been released

2019-07-03 Thread drokmed
On Wednesday, July 3, 2019 at 8:21:44 AM UTC-7, Daniil Travnikov wrote:
> On Wednesday, July 3, 2019 at 5:43:26 PM UTC+3, dro...@gmail.com wrote:
> > Unless you want to join the testing efforts, I would wait until Qubes 
> > releases official whonix templates, before trying to install the new 
> > version.
> 
> What do you mean? I thought 15 version of Whonix already official in Qubes. 
> Or I am missing something?

No, it was officially released by WHONIX, not by Qubes.  I'm sure the Qubes 
engineers are working on an official template as we speak.

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Re: [qubes-users] Whonix 15 has been released

2019-07-03 Thread 'trichel' via qubes-users
> > Dear Qubes Community,
> > The Whonix Project [1] announced the release of Whonix 15 today. [2]
> > Project lead Patrick Schleizer [3] wrote:
> >
> > > After approximately one year of development, the Whonix Project is
> > > proud to announce the release of Whonix 15.
>
> > Please note that, according to the Whonix Support Schedule [4], Whonix
> > 14 will reach end-of-life (EOL) in one month.
> > Therefore, all current Whonix users are urged to upgrade from Whonix
> > 14 to Whonix 15 [5] within the next month.
>
> The "instructions" on the whonix webpage are more than confusing. There
> are 3 alternative "ways" suggested. Which one is best /advised?
>
> I got the impression that a complete reinstall requires (a) a fedora
> appvm (I have none), (b) does not work over TOR, since the AppVM's
> based on whonix must be removed (or set to dummy template) before
> removing the whonix-14-templates. Then sys-whonix is gone, right?
> That seems awkward asprocedure. Can someone explain, please? Why can't I
> install whonix-gw-15 and whonix-ws-15 via dnf in dom0 and THEN remove
> the -14- ones? Cheers, Bernhard

After botching the whonix-14 template with an unsuccessful upgrade attempt I 
reinstalled it by entering sudo qubes-dom0-update 
--enablerepo=qubes-templates-community --action=reinstall 
qubes-template-whonix-gw-14 as explained at 
https://www.whonix.org/wiki/Qubes/Reinstall

Because this page gives 'sudo qubesctl state.sls qvm.anon-whonix' as a 
mandatory step I executed that after the reinstall. This installed 2 new 
templates whonix-gw-15, whonix-ws-15 and a whonix-ws-15-dvm, with all the old 
stuff still present. I deleted the Whonix 14 templates with dnf and all seems 
fine now.

So, apparently just entering sudo qubesctl state.sls qvm.anon-whonix is the 
easiest way to install new Whonix 15 templates. I didn't create a special 
update VM for this. Probably it is best to remove the old ones first even 
though it also works if you don't, apparently. If you need to *upgrade* for 
some reason (instead of simply replacing the templates with new ones) then you 
should *NOT* follow this procedure, of course.
Also see: https://www.whonix.org/wiki/Qubes/Install

I find it pretty confusing too ... Maybe an expert can give some additional 
info :)






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Re: [qubes-users] Whonix 15 has been released

2019-07-03 Thread Daniil Travnikov
On Wednesday, July 3, 2019 at 4:24:01 AM UTC+3, haaber wrote:
> The "instructions" on the whonix webpage are more than confusing. There
> are 3 alternative "ways" suggested. Which one is best /advised?
> 
> I got the impression that a complete reinstall requires (a) a fedora
> appvm (I have none), (b) does *not* work over TOR, since the AppVM's
> based on whonix must be removed (or set to dummy  template) before
> removing the whonix-14-templates. Then sys-whonix is gone, right?
> That seems awkward asprocedure. Can someone explain, please? Why can't I
> install whonix-gw-15 and whonix-ws-15 via dnf in dom0 and THEN remove
> the *-14-* ones? Cheers, Bernhard

Thank you for your post, I thought that I am alone, but I think the same.

I don't understand why in Qubes we can't install Whonix Templates of any 
version from Dom0 like we usually do when we want to install Fedora,
for example:

sudo qubes-dom0-update qubes-template-fedora-XX

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Re: [qubes-users] Whonix 15 has been released

2019-07-03 Thread Daniil Travnikov
On Wednesday, July 3, 2019 at 5:43:26 PM UTC+3, dro...@gmail.com wrote:
> Unless you want to join the testing efforts, I would wait until Qubes 
> releases official whonix templates, before trying to install the new version.

What do you mean? I thought 15 version of Whonix already official in Qubes. Or 
I am missing something?

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Re: [qubes-users] Whonix 15 has been released

2019-07-03 Thread drokmed
On Tuesday, July 2, 2019 at 6:24:01 PM UTC-7, haaber wrote:
> > Dear Qubes Community,
> >
> > The Whonix Project [1] announced the release of Whonix 15 today. [2]
> > Project lead Patrick Schleizer [3] wrote:
> >
> >> After approximately one year of development, the Whonix Project is
> >> proud to announce the release of Whonix 15.
>  >
> > Please note that, according to the Whonix Support Schedule [4], Whonix
> > 14 will reach end-of-life (EOL) in one month.
> > Therefore, all current Whonix users are urged to upgrade from Whonix
> > 14 to Whonix 15 [5] within the next month.
> 
> The "instructions" on the whonix webpage are more than confusing. There
> are 3 alternative "ways" suggested. Which one is best /advised?
> 
> I got the impression that a complete reinstall requires (a) a fedora
> appvm (I have none), (b) does *not* work over TOR, since the AppVM's
> based on whonix must be removed (or set to dummy  template) before
> removing the whonix-14-templates. Then sys-whonix is gone, right?
> That seems awkward asprocedure. Can someone explain, please? Why can't I
> install whonix-gw-15 and whonix-ws-15 via dnf in dom0 and THEN remove
> the *-14-* ones? Cheers, Bernhard

Honestly, I'm surprised whonix went ahead and released a major upgrade, on a 
new Debian version that is still frozen, and hasn't been released yet.  Maybe 
they jumped the gun.  I would have waited.

Unless you want to join the testing efforts, I would wait until Qubes releases 
official whonix templates, before trying to install the new version.

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Re: [qubes-users] Whonix 15 has been released

2019-07-02 Thread haaber

Dear Qubes Community,

The Whonix Project [1] announced the release of Whonix 15 today. [2]
Project lead Patrick Schleizer [3] wrote:


After approximately one year of development, the Whonix Project is
proud to announce the release of Whonix 15.

>

Please note that, according to the Whonix Support Schedule [4], Whonix
14 will reach end-of-life (EOL) in one month.
Therefore, all current Whonix users are urged to upgrade from Whonix
14 to Whonix 15 [5] within the next month.


The "instructions" on the whonix webpage are more than confusing. There
are 3 alternative "ways" suggested. Which one is best /advised?

I got the impression that a complete reinstall requires (a) a fedora
appvm (I have none), (b) does *not* work over TOR, since the AppVM's
based on whonix must be removed (or set to dummy  template) before
removing the whonix-14-templates. Then sys-whonix is gone, right?
That seems awkward asprocedure. Can someone explain, please? Why can't I
install whonix-gw-15 and whonix-ws-15 via dnf in dom0 and THEN remove
the *-14-* ones? Cheers, Bernhard

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[qubes-users] Whonix 15 has been released

2019-07-01 Thread Andrew David Wong
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Dear Qubes Community,

The Whonix Project [1] announced the release of Whonix 15 today. [2]
Project lead Patrick Schleizer [3] wrote:

> After approximately one year of development, the Whonix Project is 
> proud to announce the release of Whonix 15.
> 
> Whonix 15 is based on the Debian buster (Debian 10) distribution. 
> This means users have access to many new software packages in
> concert with existing packages, such as a modern branch of GNuPG,
> and more.

For a list of major new features and further details, please see the
official announcement. [2]

Please note that, according to the Whonix Support Schedule [4], Whonix
14 will reach end-of-life (EOL) in one month.
Therefore, all current Whonix users are urged to upgrade from Whonix
14 to Whonix 15 [5] within the next month.


[1] https://www.whonix.org/
[2] https://forums.whonix.org/t/whonix-15-has-been-released/7616
[3] https://www.qubes-os.org/team/#patrick-schleizer
[4] https://www.whonix.org/wiki/About#Support_Schedule
[5] https://www.whonix.org/wiki/Upgrading_Whonix_14_to_Whonix_15

This announcement is also available on the Qubes website:
https://www.qubes-os.org/news/2019/07/01/whonix-15-has-been-released/

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Andrew David Wong (Axon)
Community Manager, Qubes OS
https://www.qubes-os.org

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