Re: [qubes-users] Win7 install hanging since updating Qubes Manager
On Wednesday, 18 April 2018 21:15:46 UTC+10, Ivan Mitev wrote: > On 04/18/2018 03:23 AM, Drew White wrote: > > Hi folks, > > > > Ever since I updated the Qubes Manager I have not been able to install > > Windows 7. > > Qubes Manager shouldn't have anything to do with Windows or installing > VMs in general; maybe some other updates when through at the same time ? I have identical system, only the manager isn't updated, and windows installs fine. > What error message you do you get ? No error. > > > The instructions at "https://www.qubes-os.org/doc/hvm/; do not help because > > "qvm-features" does not exist as a function. > > See this documentation pull request instead: > > https://github.com/taradiddles/qubes-doc/blob/eec2893b2bf58206a6c18857f43eb854bc27af22/managing-os/windows/windows-vm.md That isn't helping. None of that is my issue at all. When I migrate to 4, that will of great help. thanks! > > > > What has happenned to Qubes? Why is it starting to fail after updating > > things? were they not tested properly? > > probably too many things on qubes' dev plate with the 4.0 release ! > (also, windows isn't supported). Yeah, they releasing 4 without fixing 1 or 2 or 3 first. > > > > > Just asking. > > > > Hope someone can help. > > > > Sincerely, > > D. > > -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "qubes-users" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to qubes-users+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to qubes-users@googlegroups.com. To view this discussion on the web visit https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/qubes-users/6895ca33-3df5-4c91-a47f-eab52098dcc1%40googlegroups.com. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
Re: [qubes-users] Win7 install hanging since updating Qubes Manager
On 04/18/2018 06:47 PM, trueriver wrote: > On Wednesday, 18 April 2018 12:15:46 UTC+1, Ivan Mitev wrote: > >> ... >> probably too many things on qubes' dev plate with the 4.0 release ! > > yes, this often happens to the N.0 release of software. Its a kind of gamma > release (ie the one after alpha and beta) > >> (also, windows isn't supported). In hindsight "windows isn't supported" wasn't the proper wording. > > Really? One of the things I read before downloading Qubes was that Win 7 is > supported but not Win 10. I am reasonably sure that is somewhere in the user > doc Any OS can be installed in Qubes as an HVM - that is, provided it works under the Xen hypervisor. But without Qubes tools you won't have any integration with Qubes like straightforward copy/move to VMs, clipboard stuff, ... Qubes Windows Tools (QWT) provides the integration tools for win7 VMs, but QWT isn't supported anymore by ITL since they've open sourced it quite some time ago and nobody has stepped in to maintain it. So QWT hasn't been updated to reflect the architectural changes in R4.0 and as such using QWT from R3.2 in R4.0 VMs is "unsupported". For info see this issue: https://github.com/QubesOS/qubes-issues/issues/3585 IMHO the problems are minor, I have a 4.0 win7 VM with QWT from R3.2 and it's quite functional. > It is possible I am recalling what I red in the Linux User & Developer > six-page tutorial on Q 3.2. > > IIRR it certainly was in 3.2 (there was even a set of software you could > install inside the Windows VM to integrate things to some extent) > > If Windows 7 is not yet supported in 4.0 then I would request that the > relevant docdev adds that info to this page > > https://www.qubes-os.org/doc/releases/4.0/release-notes/ > > Likewise, if it was intended to work but turns out not to, then the release > notes should say so. That would give 3.2 users the ability to make an > informed choice about whether it is time to upgrade. Well, ITL announced a long time ago that QWT wasn't supported anymore so it's expected that their devs don't spend time on it anymore. A few users (including myself) reported their problems with Windows/QWT during the 4.0rc stage, which gave birth to the issue mentioned above and the windows documentation currently submitted as a PR to qubes-doc. Some people tried to fix QWT but the effort got delayed. That said maybe the release page could do with a reminder that QWT is unsupported for x years now and that there is a community effort to port them to R4.0, maybe with a link to the issue mentioned above. > This is not a complaint, just a request to know where the Q devs aim to be up > to, and where they think they actually ARE up to. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "qubes-users" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to qubes-users+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to qubes-users@googlegroups.com. To view this discussion on the web visit https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/qubes-users/30843936-0a82-6b4c-1d06-52a5b1f6edff%40maa.bz. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
Re: [qubes-users] Win7 install hanging since updating Qubes Manager
On Wednesday, 18 April 2018 12:15:46 UTC+1, Ivan Mitev wrote: > ... > probably too many things on qubes' dev plate with the 4.0 release ! yes, this often happens to the N.0 release of software. Its a kind of gamma release (ie the one after alpha and beta) > (also, windows isn't supported). > Really? One of the things I read before downloading Qubes was that Win 7 is supported but not Win 10. I am reasonably sure that is somewhere in the user docs. It is possible I am recalling what I red in the Linux User & Developer six-page tutorial on Q 3.2. IIRR it certainly was in 3.2 (there was even a set of software you could install inside the Windows VM to integrate things to some extent) If Windows 7 is not yet supported in 4.0 then I would request that the relevant docdev adds that info to this page https://www.qubes-os.org/doc/releases/4.0/release-notes/ Likewise, if it was intended to work but turns out not to, then the release notes should say so. That would give 3.2 users the ability to make an informed choice about whether it is time to upgrade. This is not a complaint, just a request to know where the Q devs aim to be up to, and where they think they actually ARE up to. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "qubes-users" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to qubes-users+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to qubes-users@googlegroups.com. To view this discussion on the web visit https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/qubes-users/9cd46f42-9fcc-4445-9c83-9d6a47f0e8e6%40googlegroups.com. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
Re: [qubes-users] Win7 install hanging since updating Qubes Manager
On 04/18/2018 03:23 AM, Drew White wrote: > Hi folks, > > Ever since I updated the Qubes Manager I have not been able to install > Windows 7. Qubes Manager shouldn't have anything to do with Windows or installing VMs in general; maybe some other updates when through at the same time ? What error message you do you get ? > The instructions at "https://www.qubes-os.org/doc/hvm/; do not help because > "qvm-features" does not exist as a function. See this documentation pull request instead: https://github.com/taradiddles/qubes-doc/blob/eec2893b2bf58206a6c18857f43eb854bc27af22/managing-os/windows/windows-vm.md > What has happenned to Qubes? Why is it starting to fail after updating > things? were they not tested properly? probably too many things on qubes' dev plate with the 4.0 release ! (also, windows isn't supported). > > Just asking. > > Hope someone can help. > > Sincerely, > D. > -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "qubes-users" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to qubes-users+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to qubes-users@googlegroups.com. To view this discussion on the web visit https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/qubes-users/fdf18868-d00e-a28d-e536-91ea40ffe539%40maa.bz. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
[qubes-users] Win7 install hanging since updating Qubes Manager
Hi folks, Ever since I updated the Qubes Manager I have not been able to install Windows 7. The instructions at "https://www.qubes-os.org/doc/hvm/; do not help because "qvm-features" does not exist as a function. What has happenned to Qubes? Why is it starting to fail after updating things? were they not tested properly? Just asking. Hope someone can help. Sincerely, D. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "qubes-users" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to qubes-users+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to qubes-users@googlegroups.com. To view this discussion on the web visit https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/qubes-users/e9dc4e5c-62aa-4908-a158-4284d5883056%40googlegroups.com. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
