Re: [qubes-users] ios in Qubes

2017-01-31 Thread Grzesiek Chodzicki
W dniu wtorek, 31 stycznia 2017 22:07:07 UTC+1 użytkownik Alex napisał:
> On 01/31/2017 09:57 PM, Patrick Bouldin wrote:
> > Hi, I'm not seeing that as an option, is that correct?
> >
> > I thought maybe I could avoid buying an Apple in order to do some
> > mobile app development if I could load the OS into a VM.
> >
> > Thanks, Patrick
> >
> I don't think that would be an option: iOS exists only for ARM devices,
> so you would need a full-fledged emulator, and not just some VM/PVM
> magic. iOS devices are very specific, and you would need to emulate
> swipes and gestures that are hard to perform with a keyboard and a
> mouse, let alone pass them through to an X11 application...
> 
> Heck, even Apple itself does *not* offer an iOS VM for development, but
> only a "simulator" that has its documented
> (https://developer.apple.com/library/content/documentation/IDEs/Conceptual/iOS_Simulator_Guide/TestingontheiOSSimulator/TestingontheiOSSimulator.html)
> limitations. In the end, iOS development needs actual hardware. And if
> you plan to publish your applications, you will need something that can
> run the XCode IDE, and that would be an OSX system.
> 
> What you could try to achieve, albeit with a steep mountain of problems
> to overcome, is to run OSX in a Xen domU, and then in a Qubes HVM
> Good luck :D
> 
> -- 
> Alex

Apple License prohibits running OSX on hardware not manufactured by Apple (even 
in a VM) so OSX support in Qubes is probably in notgonnahappenland as legally, 
only people running Qubes on Macs would be able to install it.

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Re: [qubes-users] ios in Qubes

2017-01-31 Thread Alex
On 01/31/2017 09:57 PM, Patrick Bouldin wrote:
> Hi, I'm not seeing that as an option, is that correct?
>
> I thought maybe I could avoid buying an Apple in order to do some
> mobile app development if I could load the OS into a VM.
>
> Thanks, Patrick
>
I don't think that would be an option: iOS exists only for ARM devices,
so you would need a full-fledged emulator, and not just some VM/PVM
magic. iOS devices are very specific, and you would need to emulate
swipes and gestures that are hard to perform with a keyboard and a
mouse, let alone pass them through to an X11 application...

Heck, even Apple itself does *not* offer an iOS VM for development, but
only a "simulator" that has its documented
(https://developer.apple.com/library/content/documentation/IDEs/Conceptual/iOS_Simulator_Guide/TestingontheiOSSimulator/TestingontheiOSSimulator.html)
limitations. In the end, iOS development needs actual hardware. And if
you plan to publish your applications, you will need something that can
run the XCode IDE, and that would be an OSX system.

What you could try to achieve, albeit with a steep mountain of problems
to overcome, is to run OSX in a Xen domU, and then in a Qubes HVM
Good luck :D

-- 
Alex


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[qubes-users] ios in Qubes

2017-01-31 Thread Patrick Bouldin
Hi, I'm not seeing that as an option, is that correct?

I thought maybe I could avoid buying an Apple in order to do some mobile app 
development if I could load the OS into a VM.

Thanks,
Patrick

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