Re: [qubes-users] realized why I always lose sound in the vms
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA512 On 2017-04-05 22:55, Jean-Philippe Ouellet wrote: > On Wed, Apr 5, 2017 at 11:29 PM, cooloutacwrote: >> The sound mixer app I installed xfe in mutes things when I lower the volume >> all the way by accident. Never realized till now lol. I always have to go >> into dom0 alsamixer. >> >> Is there a better plugin to use? Does a new iso come with one by default >> now? > > This same exact bug keeps coming up again and again. See: > - https://github.com/QubesOS/qubes-issues/issues/2550 > - https://github.com/QubesOS/qubes-issues/issues/2117 > - https://github.com/QubesOS/qubes-issues/issues/2291 > - https://github.com/QubesOS/qubes-issues/issues/2321 > - https://groups.google.com/forum/#!msg/qubes-users/53TYf5GYkqY/ZU8i5v6JAwAJ > > This was fixed a while ago, but people don't get the fix because of > the limitations of updating dom0 by only updating the packages > installed there. When things get fixed in the installer, they don't > trickle down to existing systems, and we don't publish new release > ISOs except for on major releases. This means the default install is > often broken, and many people end up needing to independently solve > the same problems over and over. This is clearly not ideal, and IMO > the way in which we manage dom0 needs some rethinking. > > For this specific case I think we'd need a meta-package tracking which > packages are installed by the installer, and have the installer just > list that one and have deps of it be pulled in automatically. That > would let us update *which* packages are installed by default and have > that change affect existing installs. Then, as for actually putting > the new mixer in the panel, we'd probably need a %post section in a > relevant package or something. > Thanks for bringing this problem and solution to everyone's attention, JPO. I've created a tracking issue (which, I hope, properly captures both the problem and the proposed solution): https://github.com/QubesOS/qubes-issues/issues/2742 > IMO updating needs a better solution overall. I tried to start a > discussion about this here: > - https://groups.google.com/forum/#!topic/qubes-users/dCctVsf15dE/discussion > but it didn't go anywhere. > IMHO, the reason that thread didn't go anywhere was because it did not clearly identify a serious problem that needed to be solved or an enhancement that ought to be implemented. I think your message above does a much better job of doing both, and the older thread is clearer in light of it. - -- Andrew David Wong (Axon) Community Manager, Qubes OS https://www.qubes-os.org -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- iQIcBAEBCgAGBQJY6vy+AAoJENtN07w5UDAwwjwP/i2ZSxHafmddFvtfSesQ6CGs /jN6BJYrBOmfvHL9zH5vx29IVsYPLt2mUC+r7OCZKOO2EyIsvTdq3FoBKXNM/pUO LfArmni/iUPjEYcpliNacLJNOnoJvx2wRisLH4hPb7jEoLv0KfmPp+eYbkchyNVM 2HpIGw8Fzo/fCth0gt5sWIL7Yo/ld9QWLuAnRXaWhp0d5P9TACai/Qt0Cby+eN7A V7GPBAT0cvP3gPtkE56Tf+F6ibi+zxPaS99WteHWSkXv8D39lncYH3269X+D1vLr 2KXNCgfxh0WNmd65xmwFHlj6ulGhpg6bqmoshLZxkATSprjUXloF7KZuYZarcWpP OPE/gKnx+TQ1QuFbijMdw1Ph66sdKonc7MXc8pS6uJckE7iMNGJx37Lxv4ZmHk6z PfAyCoerad9XidxNt15PJQOGTh1VGkarGRVV+uRAM+SIpctJzAOlj87N6aEiWpHd Eeuv5ndJPFbmYPl8Ihua9/KGpl259I6x4uwDXxX8JxU28SzrrkpaW8MvlDX0mhqn l94wJiO/cCHEbInrY4lz3ri9I0FGRrRf6Fr1iSzGIC8IBn7M/vdMQ9PvO0BAUwAu nIm4zqlCSXL/21WPTP4PiB8kfVyTRFQqQ06rSSZaSDYeOA/138C2+lHhNGM7Lgfd 4h/9l5TtnEdsAmnrydQZ =hiil -END PGP SIGNATURE- -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "qubes-users" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to qubes-users+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to qubes-users@googlegroups.com. To view this discussion on the web visit https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/qubes-users/57371712-fb11-f8b9-c53e-3738e9c12e5c%40qubes-os.org. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
Re: [qubes-users] realized why I always lose sound in the vms
On Thursday, April 6, 2017 at 1:56:14 AM UTC-4, Jean-Philippe Ouellet wrote: > On Wed, Apr 5, 2017 at 11:29 PM, cooloutacwrote: > > The sound mixer app I installed xfe in mutes things when I lower the volume > > all the way by accident. Never realized till now lol. I always have to go > > into dom0 alsamixer. > > > > Is there a better plugin to use? Does a new iso come with one by default > > now? > > This same exact bug keeps coming up again and again. See: > - https://github.com/QubesOS/qubes-issues/issues/2550 > - https://github.com/QubesOS/qubes-issues/issues/2117 > - https://github.com/QubesOS/qubes-issues/issues/2291 > - https://github.com/QubesOS/qubes-issues/issues/2321 > - https://groups.google.com/forum/#!msg/qubes-users/53TYf5GYkqY/ZU8i5v6JAwAJ > > This was fixed a while ago, but people don't get the fix because of > the limitations of updating dom0 by only updating the packages > installed there. When things get fixed in the installer, they don't > trickle down to existing systems, and we don't publish new release > ISOs except for on major releases. This means the default install is > often broken, and many people end up needing to independently solve > the same problems over and over. This is clearly not ideal, and IMO > the way in which we manage dom0 needs some rethinking. > > For this specific case I think we'd need a meta-package tracking which > packages are installed by the installer, and have the installer just > list that one and have deps of it be pulled in automatically. That > would let us update *which* packages are installed by default and have > that change affect existing installs. Then, as for actually putting > the new mixer in the panel, we'd probably need a %post section in a > relevant package or something. > > IMO updating needs a better solution overall. I tried to start a > discussion about this here: > - https://groups.google.com/forum/#!topic/qubes-users/dCctVsf15dE/discussion > but it didn't go anywhere. yes I feel like the losing sound issue is the most common Qubes problem. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "qubes-users" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to qubes-users+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to qubes-users@googlegroups.com. To view this discussion on the web visit https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/qubes-users/4a05-d230-4dd5-afab-2f69ff2242c4%40googlegroups.com. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
Re: [qubes-users] realized why I always lose sound in the vms
On Wed, Apr 5, 2017 at 11:29 PM, cooloutacwrote: > The sound mixer app I installed xfe in mutes things when I lower the volume > all the way by accident. Never realized till now lol. I always have to go > into dom0 alsamixer. > > Is there a better plugin to use? Does a new iso come with one by default now? This same exact bug keeps coming up again and again. See: - https://github.com/QubesOS/qubes-issues/issues/2550 - https://github.com/QubesOS/qubes-issues/issues/2117 - https://github.com/QubesOS/qubes-issues/issues/2291 - https://github.com/QubesOS/qubes-issues/issues/2321 - https://groups.google.com/forum/#!msg/qubes-users/53TYf5GYkqY/ZU8i5v6JAwAJ This was fixed a while ago, but people don't get the fix because of the limitations of updating dom0 by only updating the packages installed there. When things get fixed in the installer, they don't trickle down to existing systems, and we don't publish new release ISOs except for on major releases. This means the default install is often broken, and many people end up needing to independently solve the same problems over and over. This is clearly not ideal, and IMO the way in which we manage dom0 needs some rethinking. For this specific case I think we'd need a meta-package tracking which packages are installed by the installer, and have the installer just list that one and have deps of it be pulled in automatically. That would let us update *which* packages are installed by default and have that change affect existing installs. Then, as for actually putting the new mixer in the panel, we'd probably need a %post section in a relevant package or something. IMO updating needs a better solution overall. I tried to start a discussion about this here: - https://groups.google.com/forum/#!topic/qubes-users/dCctVsf15dE/discussion but it didn't go anywhere. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "qubes-users" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to qubes-users+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to qubes-users@googlegroups.com. To view this discussion on the web visit https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/qubes-users/CABQWM_BOrYuDOrTAA6s3_rEUmOgq_Pf_%3D2RuNqiwVd-jLiX7Ug%40mail.gmail.com. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
[qubes-users] realized why I always lose sound in the vms
The sound mixer app I installed xfe in mutes things when I lower the volume all the way by accident. Never realized till now lol. I always have to go into dom0 alsamixer. Is there a better plugin to use? Does a new iso come with one by default now? -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "qubes-users" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to qubes-users+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to qubes-users@googlegroups.com. To view this discussion on the web visit https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/qubes-users/cf1a8a5d-ee4a-4c0a-8057-f23b7bf92806%40googlegroups.com. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.