Re: Fw: Re: [qubes-users] Re: Qubes 4 Fails to Boot With Coreboot

2017-07-11 Thread Franz
On Tue, Jul 11, 2017 at 1:00 PM, Noor Christensen <
kchr+qubes-us...@fripost.org> wrote:

> On Tue, Jul 11, 2017 at 07:58:17AM -0400, Protonmij wrote:
> > I appreciate you are trying to help, but I have no desire to try
> > unauthorised workarounds that potentially leave my machine compromised
> > or in an undefined state.
> > I think I'll wait until Qubes get the Coreboot issues resolved and
> > then formally issue a solution
> > Thank again for your efforts
>
> Sure, no problem.
>
> Mind if I ask what makes you feel that updating your GRUB configuration
> would be compromising and/or lead to undefined behavior?
>
>
I was wondering the same.  And a part Qubes developers may have much more
compelling problems related with R4 to find time to polish such minor x230
Coreboot issues. If they have a x230 at all since they once seem to like
larger screens.
Best
Fran

These GRUB commands mentioned in the workaround are the same ones that
> gets called by your Linux distribution upon upgrading the kernel, for
> example. They are standard procedure for updating the GRUB
> configuration.
>
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Re: Fw: Re: [qubes-users] Re: Qubes 4 Fails to Boot With Coreboot

2017-07-11 Thread Noor Christensen
On Tue, Jul 11, 2017 at 07:58:17AM -0400, Protonmij wrote:
> I appreciate you are trying to help, but I have no desire to try
> unauthorised workarounds that potentially leave my machine compromised
> or in an undefined state.
> I think I'll wait until Qubes get the Coreboot issues resolved and
> then formally issue a solution
> Thank again for your efforts

Sure, no problem.

Mind if I ask what makes you feel that updating your GRUB configuration
would be compromising and/or lead to undefined behavior?

These GRUB commands mentioned in the workaround are the same ones that
gets called by your Linux distribution upon upgrading the kernel, for
example. They are standard procedure for updating the GRUB
configuration.

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Re: Fw: Re: [qubes-users] Re: Qubes 4 Fails to Boot With Coreboot

2017-07-11 Thread 'Protonmij' via qubes-users
I appreciate you are trying to help, but I have no desire to try unauthorised 
workarounds that potentially leave my machine compromised or in an undefined 
state.
I think I'll wait until Qubes get the Coreboot issues resolved and then 
formally issue a solution
Thank again for your efforts

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> Subject: Re: Fw: Re: [qubes-users] Re: Qubes 4 Fails to Boot With Coreboot
> Local Time: July 11, 2017 9:27 AM
> UTC Time: July 11, 2017 9:27 AM
> From: kchr+qubes-us...@fripost.org
> To: qubes-users@googlegroups.com <qubes-users@googlegroups.com>
> On Tue, Jul 11, 2017 at 04:52:27AM -0400, "Protonmij" via qubes-users wrote:
>> > The most significant fact about my post appears to have been
>> > overlooked - my x230 with Coreboot onboard boots all Linux distros
>> > I"ve tried, including;Tails, Debian, Fedora etc. Why does it not
>> > boot Qubes? Is there something special I need to do to get Qubes to
>> > boot. If so, I suggest Qubes post that installation information to
>> > the wider community.- after all Qubes recommended Coreboot in the
>> > first place.
> Sorry, I did not realize you"ve had actual installs of the other
> distributions. I was assuming you just tried to boot Live ISOs, which
> could work even though you have a broken payload/boot loader after
> SeaBIOS.
>> > From this post https://github.com/QubesOS/qubes-issues/issues/2553
>> > there is a clear acknowledgement from Qubes Developers that there
>> > are significant problems with Coreboot/Qubes compatibility.
>> > Seemingly, those problems are not being formally acknowledged by
>> > Qubes.
> In my setup, I have chosen GRUB as the Coreboot payload. Then I copied
> my grub.cfg from Qubes and added it to the Coreboot firmware.
> Could you try this and see if it works better?
> -- noor
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Re: Fw: Re: [qubes-users] Re: Qubes 4 Fails to Boot With Coreboot

2017-07-11 Thread Noor Christensen
On Tue, Jul 11, 2017 at 04:52:27AM -0400, 'Protonmij' via qubes-users wrote:
> > The most significant fact about my post appears to have been
> > overlooked - my x230 with Coreboot onboard boots all Linux distros
> > I've tried, including;Tails, Debian, Fedora etc. Why does it not
> > boot Qubes? Is there something special I need to do to get Qubes to
> > boot. If so, I suggest Qubes post that installation information to
> > the wider community.- after all Qubes recommended Coreboot in the
> > first place.

Sorry, I did not realize you've had actual installs of the other
distributions. I was assuming you just tried to boot Live ISOs, which
could work even though you have a broken payload/boot loader after
SeaBIOS.

> > From this post https://github.com/QubesOS/qubes-issues/issues/2553
> > there is a clear acknowledgement from Qubes Developers that there
> > are significant problems with Coreboot/Qubes compatibility.
> > Seemingly, those problems are not being formally acknowledged by
> > Qubes.

In my setup, I have chosen GRUB as the Coreboot payload. Then I copied
my grub.cfg from Qubes and added it to the Coreboot firmware. 

Could you try this and see if it works better?

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Re: Fw: Re: [qubes-users] Re: Qubes 4 Fails to Boot With Coreboot

2017-07-11 Thread Noor Christensen
On Tue, Jul 11, 2017 at 11:27:18AM +0200, Noor Christensen wrote:
> On Tue, Jul 11, 2017 at 04:52:27AM -0400, 'Protonmij' via qubes-users wrote:
> > > From this post https://github.com/QubesOS/qubes-issues/issues/2553
> > > there is a clear acknowledgement from Qubes Developers that there
> > > are significant problems with Coreboot/Qubes compatibility.
> > > Seemingly, those problems are not being formally acknowledged by
> > > Qubes.
> 
> In my setup, I have chosen GRUB as the Coreboot payload. Then I copied
> my grub.cfg from Qubes and added it to the Coreboot firmware. 
> 
> Could you try this and see if it works better?

Also, did you try the workaround mentioned in the Github issue?

https://github.com/QubesOS/qubes-issues/issues/2553#issuecomment-296442883

I remember doing this "for good measure" after flashing the firmware, so
maybe it was a crucial step...

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