Re: [qubes-users] Re: [qubes-announce] Qubes OS 4.0 reaches EOL on 2022-08-04
Dear Demi Marie What about between bisecting between 4.19 and 5.4? That sounds interesting. I am willing to test. The problem with staying on 4.19 is that eventually it will lose support upstream. Qubes is not RHEL, and we can't support an old kernel forever. That you cannot use your hardware on Linux 5.4+ is a bug, but without access to the hardware in question there is no way (that I am aware of) to figure out what the bug is so that it can be fixed. of course it is not a solution: it is a continued workaround, that allows to install 4.1 with an old kernel without being cut off other updates, for the time that the real problem takes to solve. *That alone* is helpful. Because what do I do next? Remove qubes 4.0 and install vanilla debian instead? Stay on unsupported Q4.0? Both seem worse than using the newest qubes on an old kernel: surely, it's not forever. I would really appreciate help of the dev's on that single point: an explication of how to sneak in an extrakernel in the iso. They do not need to explain iso packing & unpacking (that is easy), only how to twiggle the iso boot procedure. Thank you so much! Bernhard -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "qubes-users" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to qubes-users+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To view this discussion on the web visit https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/qubes-users/bd0f00dc-23d2-cf77-6ee8-7f3644ed02b2%40web.de.
Re: [qubes-users] Re: [qubes-announce] Qubes OS 4.0 reaches EOL on 2022-08-04
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA512 On Wed, Jul 06, 2022 at 11:15:45AM +0200, Bernhard wrote: > On 7/6/22 10:02, Demi Marie Obenour wrote: > > On Wed, Jul 06, 2022 at 12:27:11AM -0700, Peter Palensky wrote: > > > Same here. Only 4.x and 5.4.175 kernel works for me (Dell hardware :-( ). > > > I am afraid of losing that when updating... > > > > You see the 4.1 ISO contains an "extrakernels" folder (empty). The > question is: which files go there, and how modify the iso-boot procedure > so that one were allowed to select the kernel. Sounds like a reasonable > feature, no? It does. > I failed on this: iso's are complicated, linux boot is complicated (and > therefore abstracted out into software). > > > Yeah, this really needs to be addressed. Would it be possible to > > bisect > > between kernels 5.4.x and 5.10.x to see what went wrong? The relevant > > git tags are signed by Linus Torvalds or Greg Kroah-Hartman, and their > > public keys are in the (signed) qubes-linux-kernel git repository.> > > but as far as my dell hardware is concerned, 5.4 kernels are already > unstable. I expect no gain from this! I guess adding the 4.19 > (extra)kernel to the iso is the least painful way to go. What about between bisecting between 4.19 and 5.4? The problem with staying on 4.19 is that eventually it will lose support upstream. Qubes is not RHEL, and we can't support an old kernel forever. That you cannot use your hardware on Linux 5.4+ is a bug, but without access to the hardware in question there is no way (that I am aware of) to figure out what the bug is so that it can be fixed. - -- Sincerely, Demi Marie Obenour (she/her/hers) Invisible Things Lab -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- iQIzBAEBCgAdFiEEdodNnxM2uiJZBxxxsoi1X/+cIsEFAmLFcnUACgkQsoi1X/+c IsGtZhAAyPLPFFD4mpyhPXy0BuKtUuqSqXw/TBp3TvLCp1YgAS/BbREd9V4k8iDb h3JGz+WmrymWRtoTfv+3Ia2V7MojMMColSFoMwSJblIS+ccg9BRokLajGIFD74RC p3+ZZX44fw5U7IZKB8Wf+g0izcI8lQAHgQFCBE9WDMELYPDd4SfDx4TTcz4pTxSy i6qJO9bDDtt48nMP/8QouxbMcxTU/QUMibjq4YArRdITJ99+fSCa99P1wd0mvSP2 wg1WntaV5Qu/dUkcb34gEu1d0JlxD10G6KSnPYn1F+C6jXKeY143njU9EP+e+gi5 tpFfoZK/cdt6QnEO2fs3KppDxSR5cOza1lgPz2keVcf/oR/SQxia76GBe4qJ+zZg a79uBn8AfAQ0WOtJ8dk+ElF09ZLJxDNmnByg7BV0DtocOcmMPeqpa6JF4p3jWSmf +0xZdm0Pq1h+3gxcCG/AqkZ2n8YkCxvDBL54t4g4RrFF+KL8Rhop73w66uAr1sYR uwu1yH3Yym5o+stCvT2DIRDTAO13MqwR4FUzuFRWINMYjFtmLHkzePyzZ31DPxWv GvULyMPDm6yL6wTaTg7sHYQhksQhNkQwBm75yn8++U1eFf8GkH5HU1uoJN5Ng4LN +DqbCxHrxJab/Fg+DG/I+VGeRT0wJPI7RwtOKMAFV9nShnSh/7E= =3fn/ -END PGP SIGNATURE- -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "qubes-users" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to qubes-users+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To view this discussion on the web visit https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/qubes-users/YsVydQTc4V4xpQqj%40itl-email.
Re: [qubes-users] Re: [qubes-announce] Qubes OS 4.0 reaches EOL on 2022-08-04
On 7/6/22 10:02, Demi Marie Obenour wrote: On Wed, Jul 06, 2022 at 12:27:11AM -0700, Peter Palensky wrote: Same here. Only 4.x and 5.4.175 kernel works for me (Dell hardware :-( ). I am afraid of losing that when updating... You see the 4.1 ISO contains an "extrakernels" folder (empty). The question is: which files go there, and how modify the iso-boot procedure so that one were allowed to select the kernel. Sounds like a reasonable feature, no? I failed on this: iso's are complicated, linux boot is complicated (and therefore abstracted out into software). > Yeah, this really needs to be addressed. Would it be possible to > bisect > between kernels 5.4.x and 5.10.x to see what went wrong? The relevant > git tags are signed by Linus Torvalds or Greg Kroah-Hartman, and their > public keys are in the (signed) qubes-linux-kernel git repository.> but as far as my dell hardware is concerned, 5.4 kernels are already unstable. I expect no gain from this! I guess adding the 4.19 (extra)kernel to the iso is the least painful way to go. Bernhard -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "qubes-users" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to qubes-users+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To view this discussion on the web visit https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/qubes-users/62a3a2e3-59b7-9ede-ec58-a91168f24ef4%40web.de.
Re: [qubes-users] Re: [qubes-announce] Qubes OS 4.0 reaches EOL on 2022-08-04
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA512 On Wed, Jul 06, 2022 at 12:27:11AM -0700, Peter Palensky wrote: > Same here. Only 4.x and 5.4.175 kernel works for me (Dell hardware :-( ). > I am afraid of losing that when updating... Yeah, this really needs to be addressed. Would it be possible to bisect between kernels 5.4.x and 5.10.x to see what went wrong? The relevant git tags are signed by Linus Torvalds or Greg Kroah-Hartman, and their public keys are in the (signed) qubes-linux-kernel git repository. - -- Sincerely, Demi Marie Obenour (she/her/hers) Invisible Things Lab -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- iQIzBAEBCgAdFiEEdodNnxM2uiJZBxxxsoi1X/+cIsEFAmLFQaAACgkQsoi1X/+c IsH1uw/+PL5e6IKGZ/MVM48DO37xNFQdegP47fobmMV7xgK3sK4LQCNY8Mk38mEd PpAaMq4r2YezSYmh3CBO/e/i+ccx3h9IsyeUtXLdiGM3FNVAmVZS4ARMiQTUs9Qc B+BG0YpohSNedGc/exjKI3Sk92U/FTghe364ySFqUL4+U8zzk1eO2Gd5utLLfcBP TskTB9LWEuHocvjhT0mNASe0+RVJrek00F3TYMpDpLJlJATWRjjWxsChNAK8bpzu QMuqkDjWGvBJco6a0AwZizyJWjGU7gpmv1AWyvZPLbSk/1v4M6B82n9H/vEflUv5 QdwIFrMy/w0ePUnJ6XAp1Y35uB7K9IOV/KFdMFPEgROQfjQ2sR1G3bjLhbAiKl2B TNwnPeo7cafeDSHxtnmAQGfiGW+7xRnZEvNyUBYf2fB6c1bxZXyaaQBSYvrkvYo1 iEydRrmOgvG8OhMvXvRQ2nhQRixlzbz/qLc/PmLkMaZhzTsiu5h8A4DEPeFUunXP RtctcT/eG91I/5MoM8i4sOk1obyPBcbQIvFJKxEKz1IRrxsrs+j1vxyBOdRICrHb sgm/0+izSNNNmI3n7igukvd6LlK0VSGVobx1WkMTlhzbRuthvizDZlUV/aKmi6XW pQktXACFcSIep46DWTeH0InxhlQdOHSL8VKtwyxOE6gKlgDhPJA= =8ULj -END PGP SIGNATURE- -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "qubes-users" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to qubes-users+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To view this discussion on the web visit https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/qubes-users/YsVBoZEbAtq0PDFB%40itl-email.
[qubes-users] Re: [qubes-announce] Qubes OS 4.0 reaches EOL on 2022-08-04
Same here. Only 4.x and 5.4.175 kernel works for me (Dell hardware :-( ). I am afraid of losing that when updating... On Wednesday, July 6, 2022 at 9:19:21 AM UTC+2 haa...@web.de wrote: > > > Dear Qubes Community, > > > > Qubes OS 4.0 is scheduled to reach end-of-life (EOL) on 2022-08-04 -- > > one month from the date of this announcement. > > that is bad news for those who, like me, are stuck with 4.1 install > problems for >1 year. My computer freezes while install. > > I have asked many times how to include (e.g. by unpacking & repacking > the ISO) an additional 4.19 LTS kernel in the installer and boot it: > that would probably do the job. Alas, I got no help on this, yet. So I > launch my question again. > > best, Bernhard > > -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "qubes-users" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to qubes-users+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To view this discussion on the web visit https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/qubes-users/e4978982-e39c-454e-9a1c-967b660c3a76n%40googlegroups.com.
[qubes-users] Re: [qubes-announce] Qubes OS 4.0 reaches EOL on 2022-08-04
Dear Qubes Community, Qubes OS 4.0 is scheduled to reach end-of-life (EOL) on 2022-08-04 -- one month from the date of this announcement. that is bad news for those who, like me, are stuck with 4.1 install problems for >1 year. My computer freezes while install. I have asked many times how to include (e.g. by unpacking & repacking the ISO) an additional 4.19 LTS kernel in the installer and boot it: that would probably do the job. Alas, I got no help on this, yet. So I launch my question again. best, Bernhard -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "qubes-users" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to qubes-users+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To view this discussion on the web visit https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/qubes-users/695de955-5922-0f43-9301-bb773159b4d8%40web.de.
