Re: [qubes-users] System still freezes, still no resolution.

2016-09-28 Thread raahelps
On Wednesday, September 28, 2016 at 10:58:57 PM UTC-4, raah...@gmail.com wrote:
> saves energy,  keeps pc cool,  clears ram,  keeps it unconnected when idle, 
> saves boot time.

about keeping it unconnected you have to make sure all wakes are off in the 
bios.  and then the really paranoids are worried about big brother in cahoots 
with hardware manufacturers when it don't matter even if your pc is off lol.

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Re: [qubes-users] System still freezes, still no resolution.

2016-09-28 Thread raahelps
saves energy,  keeps pc cool,  clears ram,  keeps it unconnected when idle, 
saves boot time.

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Re: [qubes-users] System still freezes, still no resolution.

2016-09-28 Thread yaqu
On Wed, 28 Sep 2016 02:20:35 -, johnyju...@sigaint.org wrote:

> A bit late to the party (as they say) in this discussion, but why is
> it so important to suspend/restore in the first place?
[...]
> For a laptop on the go, okay, I can see the argument.  But I don't
> think most Qubes users are on laptops, given the hardware
> requirements.  (Very much moreso with 4.0. :P)  Correct me if I'm
> wrong.

Yes, it's for laptops. Using laptop at home and in the office, and
commuting every day, makes suspend/restore very useful feature.
Hibernate would be even better, but it's not supported by Qubes.

Qubes on laptops are not rare, according to published HCLs.

And Qubes-compatible laptop doesn't have to be expensive - e.g. used
Thinkpad T520 with i5-2520M for $200 and 16 GB RAM for $110 is really
affordable. And I hope it will also run Qubes 4.0, since it supports
SLAT/EPT (well, according to specs).

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Re: [qubes-users] System still freezes, still no resolution.

2016-09-27 Thread Drew White
On Wednesday, 28 September 2016 11:28:45 UTC+10, Drew White  wrote:
> On Wednesday, 28 September 2016 03:54:10 UTC+10, raah...@gmail.com  wrote:
> > Is your issue after a wake from suspend? Desktop freezes on me on one 
> > machine if it is left asleep for too long.  I figure its related to bios or 
> > what vms were running when it went to sleep.  I also find its less of a 
> > problem on kde then on xfce.  In my case it also seems to happen more often 
> > if i wake machine up from power button rather then a keyboard press.
>  
> Well, it just happened again.
> While I was using it.
>  I'll attach the log fine. But as far as I can tell, it's because Qubes uses 
> ystemD. And when that runs out of RAM to use, it locks up. and since 
> everything runs as SystemD, just like Windows, everything locks up, instead 
> of 1 process.
>  
> How do I install another O/S as Dom0? (it is Linux)
> How do I install another O/S as integrated guests? (it is Linux)
>  
> Help please?

Addn: I forgot to mention, this time, nothing kept running in the background, 
EVERYTHING was frozen. Not even the logging kept going.

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Re: [qubes-users] System still freezes, still no resolution.

2016-09-27 Thread Drew White
On Wednesday, 28 September 2016 03:54:10 UTC+10, raah...@gmail.com  wrote:
> Is your issue after a wake from suspend? Desktop freezes on me on one machine 
> if it is left asleep for too long.  I figure its related to bios or what vms 
> were running when it went to sleep.  I also find its less of a problem on kde 
> then on xfce.  In my case it also seems to happen more often if i wake 
> machine up from power button rather then a keyboard press.
 
Well, it just happened again.
While I was using it.
 I'll attach the log fine. But as far as I can tell, it's because Qubes uses 
ystemD. And when that runs out of RAM to use, it locks up. and since everything 
runs as SystemD, just like Windows, everything locks up, instead of 1 process.
 
How do I install another O/S as Dom0? (it is Linux)
How do I install another O/S as integrated guests? (it is Linux)
 
Help please?

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==

Wed Sep 28 10:55:01 AEST 2016

--
Filesystem  Size  Used Avail Use% Mounted on
devtmpfs2.0G 0  2.0G   0% /dev
tmpfs   2.0G  1.2M  2.0G   1% /dev/shm
tmpfs   2.0G  1.6M  2.0G   1% /run
tmpfs   2.0G 0  2.0G   0% /sys/fs/cgroup
/dev/sda324G  3.0G   20G  14% /
tmpfs   2.0G   20K  2.0G   1% /tmp
xenstore2.0G  168K  2.0G   1% /var/lib/xenstored
/dev/sda1   485M  114M  346M  25% /boot
/dev/sda2   211G  170G   31G  85% /var/lib/qubes
tmpfs   393M 0  393M   0% /run/user/{user-id}
tmpfs   393M  8.0K  393M   1% /run/user/{user-id}
/dev/sdb1   1.4T  1.4T   24G  99% /run/media/{user}/{driveid}
--

top - 10:55:01 up 29 min,  2 users,  load average: 0.15, 0.11, 0.09
Tasks: 319 total,   2 running, 317 sleeping,   0 stopped,   0 zombie
%Cpu(s):  0.3 us,  0.5 sy,  0.0 ni, 98.5 id,  0.3 wa,  0.0 hi,  0.0 si,  0.4 st
KiB Mem :  4021248 total,29992 free,   647188 used,  3344068 buff/cache
KiB Swap:0 total,0 free,0 used.  3272200 avail Mem 

  PID USER  PR  NIVIRTRESSHR S  %CPU %MEM TIME+ COMMAND
 1375 root  20   0 1208156 138944  16488 S   0.0  3.5   0:40.26 
/usr/sbin/libvirtd
 2429 root  20   0  471568 119596  46572 S   0.0  3.0   1:15.27 /usr/bin/X 
-background none :0 -seat seat0 -auth /var/run/lightdm/root/:0 -nolisten tcp 
vt1 -novtswitch
 2551 {user}20   0 1064608 110784  58184 S   0.0  2.8   0:25.71 
/usr/bin/python2 /usr/bin/qubes-manager -session 
22e377861-de6d-4a80-bcbb-bca633662d3a_1473145497_828268
 2547 {user}20   0  725028  68748  37600 S   0.0  1.7   0:02.11 xfdesktop 
--display :0.0 --sm-client-id 20f7090c4-72bd-4a35-835a-cef95d8d23a7
 2543 {user}20   0  514208  36048  20136 S   0.0  0.9   0:01.34 xfce4-panel 
--display :0.0 --sm-client-id 29b506d82-70ff-48be-8d61-f796aa02cdc8
 2542 {user}20   0  334292  33680  17268 S   0.0  0.8   0:06.25 xfwm4 
--display :0.0 --sm-client-id 20396542a-441a-4b46-b663-130920bb
 6923 {user}20   0  445460  32996  18288 S   0.0  0.8   0:00.22 
/usr/bin/python /usr/lib/qubes/icon-receiver
 2687 {user}20   0  445192  32840  18352 S   0.0  0.8   0:00.20 
/usr/bin/python /usr/lib/qubes/icon-receiver
 2711 {user}20   0  445192  32648  18164 S   0.0  0.8   0:00.17 
/usr/bin/python /usr/lib/qubes/icon-receiver
 1523 root  20   0  583180  31364  18204 S   0.0  0.8   0:00.56 
/usr/bin/python2 /usr/lib/qubes/qmemman_daemon.py
 2534 {user}20   0  479428  27896  13400 S   0.0  0.7   0:00.64 
xfce4-session
 3533 {user}20   0  559228  26944  21204 S   0.0  0.7   0:33.49 
/usr/bin/Thunar file:///run/media/{user}/Drew1_5
 2557 {user}20   0  488024  24140  19360 S   0.0  0.6   0:00.18 
xfce4-power-manager --restart --sm-client-id 
2d75b6a48-8608-4e8e-a374-d28b1677ed75
 2729 {user}20   0  524880  21396  17600 S   0.0  0.5   0:01.24 
/usr/bin/xfce4-terminal
 2576 {user}20   0  712960  21216  17804 S   0.0  0.5   0:00.08 
/usr/lib64/xfce4/panel/wrapper-1.0 /usr/lib64/xfce4/panel/plugins/libmixer.so 
13 18874411 mixer Audio Mixer Adjust volume levels
 2593 {user}20   0  463612  20388  17640 S   0.0  0.5   0:00.21 
/usr/lib64/xfce4/notifyd/xfce4-notifyd
 2595 {user}20   0  474064  19536  16768 S   0.0  0.5   0:00.34 
/usr/lib64/xfce4/panel/wrapper-1.0 /usr/lib64/xfce4/panel/plugins/libfsguard.so 
8 18874418 fsguard Free Space Checker Monitor free disk space
 2599 {user}20   0  459648  18588  16292 S   0.0  0.5   0:06.85 

Re: [qubes-users] System still freezes, still no resolution.

2016-09-27 Thread Drew White
On Wednesday, 28 September 2016 03:54:10 UTC+10, raah...@gmail.com  wrote:
> Is your issue after a wake from suspend? Desktop freezes on me on one machine 
> if it is left asleep for too long.  I figure its related to bios or what vms 
> were running when it went to sleep.  I also find its less of a problem on kde 
> then on xfce.  In my case it also seems to happen more often if i wake 
> machine up from power button rather then a keyboard press.

Well, it just happened again.
While I was using it.
 I'll attach the log fine. But as far as I can tell, it's because Qubes uses 
SystemD. And when that runs out of RAM to use, it locks up. and since 
everything runs as SystemD, just like Windows, everything locks up, instead of 
1 process.

How do I install another O/S as Dom0? (it is Linux)
How do I install another O/S as integrated guests? (it is Linux)

Help please?

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Re: [qubes-users] System still freezes, still no resolution.

2016-09-27 Thread Drew White
On Wednesday, 28 September 2016 03:54:10 UTC+10, raah...@gmail.com  wrote:
> Is your issue after a wake from suspend? Desktop freezes on me on one machine 
> if it is left asleep for too long.  I figure its related to bios or what vms 
> were running when it went to sleep.  I also find its less of a problem on kde 
> then on xfce.  In my case it also seems to happen more often if i wake 
> machine up from power button rather then a keyboard press.

Short answer: no.

Long answer:
  It isn't from waking, it never goes to sleep, only blanks the screen itself.
  I changed to XFCE because it was happenning overnight on KDE. XFCE takes a 
lot longer to happen. 
  Since mine never sleeps, and is always working (I am a programmer), all I 
normally do is move the mouse and it comes back to life from the lock screen.
  But this PC locking up is odd. It never happpenned in version. or 3.0 that I 
can remember. Nope, it did happen once when Qubes Manager absorbed all the RAM. 
Since that 1 leak was fixed, it didn't happen in 3.0. And that didn't matter if 
I used KDE or XFCE.

I wish they would go back to the older GUI instead of this new wanky one.

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Re: [qubes-users] System still freezes, still no resolution.

2016-09-27 Thread raahelps
On Monday, September 26, 2016 at 4:00:38 AM UTC-4, Drew White wrote:
> On Monday, 26 September 2016 15:31:19 UTC+10, Foppe de Haan  wrote:
> > usb input devices? if so, can you attach a ps/2 mouse/keyboard and does 
> > that do anything? also, maybe have a look at bios settings related to 
> > (sleep/wake from) usb?
> 
> Doesn't matter.
> USB or not, it doesn't respond to input.

Is your issue after a wake from suspend? Desktop freezes on me on one machine 
if it is left asleep for too long.  I figure its related to bios or what vms 
were running when it went to sleep.  I also find its less of a problem on kde 
then on xfce.  In my case it also seems to happen more often if i wake machine 
up from power button rather then a keyboard press.

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Re: [qubes-users] System still freezes, still no resolution.

2016-09-25 Thread Drew White
On Friday, 23 September 2016 18:05:39 UTC+10, Simon  wrote:
> Hello Drew,
> 
> > I'm tired of having to re-do the work that gets lost if files get 
> > corrupted
> > or not saved properly, and also browsing information from things I'm 
> > doing.
> 
> I share your frustration. Which computer are you using? Are your 
> applications
> still running in the background (ie. only the graphical interface is 
> frozen)
> or is it a complete system freeze?
> 
> On my side I'm running Qubes on a Lenovo Thinkpad T500 and I just wrote 
> a
> similar request as yours just a few days ago:
> 
> https://groups.google.com/forum/#!topic/qubes-users/O4UO9CjO4TM
> 
> On my side the graphical display is frozen, and with KDE I managed to
> workaround the issue by setting KWin to use XRender instead of OpenGL as
> compositing engine. After that the system became rock-solid and I never
> encountered such freeze anymore for months, while it happened about once 
> a
> week until that.
> 
> The sad thing is that Qubes has now switched to XFCE, the freezes came 
> back
> and I do not know any equivalent setting on XFCE. I recently tried to
> completely disable compositing and am now crossing my fingers.
> 
> Regards,
> Simon.

Mine is weird.
I have a cron running in the background.
This allows me to find out what happens while I'm not here to see the PC stop 
and lock.
It locked again over the weekend.
I can't get to a terminal/console/shell/prompt or whatever you want to call it.
Others can ALT+F2 and get a shell, some can't. And I can't.

I've attached the log file for running processes and memory usage at the time 
of me arriving here to find it locked up. So it's not completely locked up, 
things still are running. But it s3eems all input devices may have stopped or 
been disabled.

This happens every time I leave the PC for a day or so.

Hope someone can help.

It doesn't have the issue if I'm on the pc during the day since upgrade to 3.2 
, only if I leave it for a day, (more than 12 hours)

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Mon Sep 26 10:10:01 AEST 2016

--
Filesystem  Size  Used Avail Use% Mounted on
devtmpfs2.0G 0  2.0G   0% /dev
tmpfs   2.0G  8.1M  2.0G   1% /dev/shm
tmpfs   2.0G  1.7M  2.0G   1% /run
tmpfs   2.0G 0  2.0G   0% /sys/fs/cgroup
/dev/sda324G  2.9G   20G  13% /
tmpfs   2.0G   16K  2.0G   1% /tmp
xenstore2.0G  256K  2.0G   1% /var/lib/xenstored
/dev/sda1   485M  114M  346M  25% /boot
/dev/sda2   211G  143G   58G  72% /var/lib/qubes
tmpfs   393M 0  393M   0% /run/user/992
tmpfs   393M  8.0K  393M   1% /run/user/1000
--

top - 10:10:01 up 2 days, 18:41,  3 users,  load average: 0.00, 0.00, 0.00
Tasks: 370 total,   1 running, 369 sleeping,   0 stopped,   0 zombie
%Cpu(s):  0.1 us,  0.1 sy,  0.0 ni, 99.7 id,  0.0 wa,  0.0 hi,  0.0 si,  0.1 st
KiB Mem :  4021248 total,43140 free,   817852 used,  3160256 buff/cache
KiB Swap:0 total,0 free,0 used.  3086124 avail Mem 

  PID USER  PR  NIVIRTRESSHR S  %CPU %MEM TIME+ COMMAND
 2546 %uname20   0 1066044 203512  55316 S   0.0  5.1  61:26.53 
/usr/bin/python2 /usr/bin/qubes-manager -session 
22e377861-de6d-4a80-bcbb-bca633662d3a_1473145497_828268
 2415 root  20   0  503664 08  46156 S   0.0  2.8  20:37.22 /usr/bin/X 
-background none :0 -seat seat0 -auth /var/run/lightdm/root/:0 -nolisten tcp 
vt1 -novtswitch
  515 root  20   0  160628 101244 100876 S   0.0  2.5   0:24.84 
/usr/lib/systemd/systemd-journald
 1362 root  20   0 1194384  91964  16456 S   0.0  2.3 121:32.11 
/usr/sbin/libvirtd
 2533 %uname20   0  723912  69496  37820 S   0.0  1.7   0:13.11 xfdesktop 
--display :0.0 --sm-client-id 20f7090c4-72bd-4a35-835a-cef95d8d23a7
 2529 %uname20   0  512576  36528  20284 S   0.0  0.9   0:07.31 xfce4-panel 
--display :0.0 --sm-client-id 29b506d82-70ff-48be-8d61-f796aa02cdc8
 2528 %uname20   0  498660  36412  19876 S   0.0  0.9   3:33.63 xfwm4 
--display :0.0 --sm-client-id 20396542a-441a-4b46-b663-130920bb
 4418 %uname20   0  445452  33208  18504 S   0.0  0.8   0:00.75 
/usr/bin/python /usr/lib/qubes/icon-receiver
 4825 %uname20   0  445452  33176  18476 S   0.0  0.8   0:00.25 
/usr/bin/python /usr/lib/qubes/icon-receiver
 3393 %uname20   0  445452  33140  18436 S   0.0  0.8   0:00.31 
/usr/bin/python /usr/lib/qubes/icon-receiver
 2663 

Re: [qubes-users] System still freezes, still no resolution.

2016-09-23 Thread Simon

Hello Drew,

I'm tired of having to re-do the work that gets lost if files get 
corrupted
or not saved properly, and also browsing information from things I'm 
doing.


I share your frustration. Which computer are you using? Are your 
applications
still running in the background (ie. only the graphical interface is 
frozen)

or is it a complete system freeze?

On my side I'm running Qubes on a Lenovo Thinkpad T500 and I just wrote 
a

similar request as yours just a few days ago:

https://groups.google.com/forum/#!topic/qubes-users/O4UO9CjO4TM

On my side the graphical display is frozen, and with KDE I managed to
workaround the issue by setting KWin to use XRender instead of OpenGL as
compositing engine. After that the system became rock-solid and I never
encountered such freeze anymore for months, while it happened about once 
a

week until that.

The sad thing is that Qubes has now switched to XFCE, the freezes came 
back

and I do not know any equivalent setting on XFCE. I recently tried to
completely disable compositing and am now crossing my fingers.

Regards,
Simon.

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[qubes-users] System still freezes, still no resolution.

2016-09-22 Thread Drew White
Hi folks,

The system still freezes after it's been on for a couple of days.
Sometimes only 1 day.
I leave it on, then in the morning I come in, and it's locked up.
I have started a logging system so that when I find it's dead in the morning, I 
can check the logs to find out the resource usage of things.
Hopefully this will help the devs resolve this issue that has been a plague 
since early on.

If anyone already knows a resolution to this bug, please let me know so that I 
can get it resolved. I'm tired of having to re-do the work that gets lost if 
files get corrupted or not saved properly, and also browsing information from 
things I'm doing.

Sincerely,
Drew.

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