Re: [qubes-users] Netowork Manager not running (minimal VM)

2018-01-06 Thread 'awokd' via qubes-users
On Sat, January 6, 2018 1:56 am, Fabrizio Romano Genovese wrote:
> Great! I just proposed some changes ^_^
> https://github.com/QubesOS/qubes-doc/pull/508

Thank you! I think that will help a lot of people.

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Re: [qubes-users] Netowork Manager not running (minimal VM)

2018-01-05 Thread Fabrizio Romano Genovese
Great! I just proposed some changes ^_^
https://github.com/QubesOS/qubes-doc/pull/508
Cheers,
Fab

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Re: [qubes-users] Netowork Manager not running (minimal VM)

2018-01-05 Thread Fabrizio Romano Genovese
I obviously checked that page (it is the first thing I did, actually). But 
qubes-core-agent is not mentioned at all there. After hours of research, I 
stumbled into this thread 
https://github.com/QubesOS/qubes-issues/issues/2771

>From here, dnf search qubes-core-agent gave me what I needed. I'd suggest to 
>mention (at least) the existence of the qubes-core-agent-... packages in 
https://www.qubes-os.org/doc/software-update-vm/

I'd also suggest to mention qubes-core-agent-passwordless-root in 
https://www.qubes-os.org/doc/vm-sudo/

I am aware that building an entire operating system is a lot of work and there 
are literally thousands of packages, always changing, to consider. But pages 
like these should be kept up to date. I wouldn't suggest to edit them (some 
information that is still useful for previous qubes versions may be lost), but 
just to index them according to qubes new versions: I'd propose to have a qubes 
3.1, a qubes 3.2 and a qubes 4.0 section, for each page.

Cheers,
Fab

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Re: [qubes-users] Netowork Manager not running (minimal VM)

2018-01-05 Thread Unman
On Fri, Jan 05, 2018 at 08:56:01AM -0800, Fabrizio Romano Genovese wrote:
> Yo everyone,
> 
> For future reference, problem solved. The packages 
>   qubes-core-agent-nautilus
>   qubes-core-agent-networking
>   qubes-core-agent-network-manager
>   qubes-core-agent-passwordless-root
>   qubes-core-agent-dom0-updates
>   qubes-input-proxy-sender
>   qubes-usb-proxy
> Are not included by default in the minimal template vm. The first one gives 
> you the cute (send here/move there/open in dispVM) stuff in Nautilus. 
> The next two are (I suppose) to make networking not a pain in the bum.
> The fourth one should do what is done in 
> https://www.qubes-os.org/doc/vm-sudo/ for you. 
> The fifth one is needed if you are setting up a template you'll use as the 
> underlying one for the vm that takes care of updating dom0. 
> The last two are to set up a template for sys-usb.
> 
> All this information was somewhere between here and the github issues page, 
> but it should really (REALLY) be listed in 
> https://www.qubes-os.org/doc/templates/fedora-minimal/ since nearly always 
> one will end up needing at least one of the packages listed above.
> At the moment setting up a template based on a minimal fedora distribution 
> looks like a treasure hunt, and I am pretty sure it would save people a lot 
> of energy and time to have this stuff added to the fedora-minimal reference 
> page.
> 
> Cheers,
> Fab

Fab,

A good part of this information IS on the fedora-minimal page - use the 
horizontal
scroll on the Customization table to see it.
I except passwordless-root as that's a recent change.
Perhaps that page need some editing to make the information more
readily obvious, although some of it is also on the Packages
Recommendations page. 

unman

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Re: [qubes-users] Netowork Manager not running (minimal VM)

2018-01-05 Thread Fabrizio Romano Genovese
Yo everyone,

For future reference, problem solved. The packages 
qubes-core-agent-nautilus
qubes-core-agent-networking
qubes-core-agent-network-manager
qubes-core-agent-passwordless-root
qubes-core-agent-dom0-updates
qubes-input-proxy-sender
qubes-usb-proxy
Are not included by default in the minimal template vm. The first one gives you 
the cute (send here/move there/open in dispVM) stuff in Nautilus. 
The next two are (I suppose) to make networking not a pain in the bum.
The fourth one should do what is done in https://www.qubes-os.org/doc/vm-sudo/ 
for you. 
The fifth one is needed if you are setting up a template you'll use as the 
underlying one for the vm that takes care of updating dom0. 
The last two are to set up a template for sys-usb.

All this information was somewhere between here and the github issues page, but 
it should really (REALLY) be listed in 
https://www.qubes-os.org/doc/templates/fedora-minimal/ since nearly always one 
will end up needing at least one of the packages listed above.
At the moment setting up a template based on a minimal fedora distribution 
looks like a treasure hunt, and I am pretty sure it would save people a lot of 
energy and time to have this stuff added to the fedora-minimal reference page.

Cheers,
Fab

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Re: [qubes-users] Netowork Manager not running (minimal VM)

2018-01-05 Thread Fabrizio Romano Genovese
Exciting news: I didn't know that polkit was a package, so even if I followed ( 
https://www.qubes-os.org/doc/vm-sudo/ ) in detail, nothing worked.

Giving sudo dnf install polkit in the minimal template vm solves the 
authorization problems, both for sys-usb and sys-net.

Now I am able to use the minimal template as the underlying one for sys-usb, 
but I still have problems with sys-net.

sys-net keeps telling me that NetworkManager is not running. If I open up a 
terminal and give sudo NetworkManager then i can see the networks clicking on 
the wifi tray icon, but I can't connect. If I click on a network nothing 
happens (no error displayed, of any kind. Just nothing). 

Any suggestions?

Cheers,
Fab

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Re: [qubes-users] Netowork Manager not running (minimal VM)

2018-01-05 Thread Fabrizio Romano Genovese
yes, I have network-manager listed in the services tabs for sys-net (I suppose 
that this what the service you were referring to. adding NetworkManager causes 
the VM startup to fail).

Moreover, if I try to use the same template for sys-usb and then try to open 
some usb stick, I get the message:

Not authorized to perform operation (polkit authority not available and caller 
is not uid0), so again an authorization issue. I suspect this may have 
something to do with the procedure to make the minimal template passwordless ( 
https://www.qubes-os.org/doc/vm-sudo/ )

If someone has some insight about this I'd really appreciate it :)

Cheers,
Fab

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Re: [qubes-users] Netowork Manager not running (minimal VM)

2018-01-04 Thread 'awokd' via qubes-users
On Thu, January 4, 2018 11:46 am, Fabrizio Romano Genovese wrote:


> I suspect there is some service that needs to be started when the VM
> boots that I haven't specified, but I don't know how to proceed.

Try adding NetworkManager to the Services tab on your sys-net VM?

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