Re: [qubes-users] Q4 Laptops...

2018-04-16 Thread 'awokd' via qubes-users
On Mon, April 16, 2018 1:20 pm, Thierry Laurion wrote: > Le lun. 16 avr. 2018 05:47, awokd a écrit : >> They don't have a titanium frame, but what laptops do these days? I did >> a full Stretch linux-image build in 2.5 hours on one, but that's the >> heaviest work I put it

Re: [qubes-users] Q4 Laptops...

2018-04-16 Thread Thierry Laurion
Le lun. 16 avr. 2018 05:47, awokd a écrit : > On Sun, April 15, 2018 12:52 pm, Thierry Laurion wrote: > > > Let's start a real debate aimed at improving stuff and building proper > > arguments. Pressure against manufacturers will build with market laws, > and > > energy

Re: [qubes-users] Q4 Laptops...

2018-04-16 Thread 'awokd' via qubes-users
On Sun, April 15, 2018 12:52 pm, Thierry Laurion wrote: > Let's start a real debate aimed at improving stuff and building proper > arguments. Pressure against manufacturers will build with market laws, and > energy should be put where things can evolve in the meantime. I think everyone can agree

Re: [qubes-users] Q4 Laptops...

2018-04-15 Thread Thierry Laurion
To Taiidan and all others complaining about Purism lies and consumer being misled. I keep reading stuff about purism lying about deactivating/disabling ME being impossible, lying about the future of Intel removing ME, etc. I think THIS is misleading. First, its me_cleaner job to do the cleaning.

Re: [qubes-users] Q4 Laptops...

2018-04-15 Thread Thierry Laurion
"Their objective is good." Talking about Purism here, not Intel :) Le dim. 15 avr. 2018 08:52, Thierry Laurion a écrit : > To Taiidan and all others complaining about Purism lies and consumer being > misled. > > I keep reading stuff about purism lying about

Re: [qubes-users] Q4 Laptops...

2018-04-14 Thread cooloutac
On Thursday, April 12, 2018 at 7:46:03 PM UTC-4, tai...@gmx.com wrote: > On 04/12/2018 08:49 AM, cooloutac wrote: > > > In my case I found uefi mode works better for Qubes. For example using > > legacy bios mode i have many wake from sleep problems, such as usb mouse > > in sys-usb not

Re: [qubes-users] Q4 Laptops...

2018-04-12 Thread taii...@gmx.com
On 04/12/2018 08:49 AM, cooloutac wrote: > In my case I found uefi mode works better for Qubes. For example using > legacy bios mode i have many wake from sleep problems, such as usb mouse in > sys-usb not working after sleep. system becoming unresponsive. > > Booting in uefi mode I dont'

Re: [qubes-users] Q4 Laptops...

2018-04-12 Thread cooloutac
In my case I found uefi mode works better for Qubes. For example using legacy bios mode i have many wake from sleep problems, such as usb mouse in sys-usb not working after sleep. system becoming unresponsive. Booting in uefi mode I dont' have those problems. I think eventually we will

Re: [qubes-users] Q4 Laptops...

2018-04-11 Thread taii...@gmx.com
On 04/11/2018 03:19 AM, Drew White wrote: > On Wednesday, 11 April 2018 16:55:48 UTC+10, tai...@gmx.com wrote: >> The best you will get is a W520 or W530 where you can install coreboot >> (open hw init + nerfed ME) and have 32GB RAM. > > FYI, I'm happy to see you went with Lenovo. > Best End

Re: [qubes-users] Q4 Laptops...

2018-04-11 Thread taii...@gmx.com
On 04/11/2018 03:14 AM, Drew White wrote: > On Wednesday, 11 April 2018 16:55:48 UTC+10, tai...@gmx.com wrote: >> What you ask for is impossible, it simply isn't made - no one has a >> laptop with 64GB RAM and 12 threads let alone one that is old enough to >> not have UEFI. > I know that they

Re: [qubes-users] Q4 Laptops...

2018-04-11 Thread Drew White
On Wednesday, 11 April 2018 16:55:48 UTC+10, tai...@gmx.com wrote: > The best you will get is a W520 or W530 where you can install coreboot > (open hw init + nerfed ME) and have 32GB RAM. FYI, I'm happy to see you went with Lenovo. Best End User devices in general. (Or used to be) -- You

Re: [qubes-users] Q4 Laptops...

2018-04-11 Thread Drew White
On Wednesday, 11 April 2018 16:55:48 UTC+10, tai...@gmx.com wrote: > What you ask for is impossible, it simply isn't made - no one has a > laptop with 64GB RAM and 12 threads let alone one that is old enough to > not have UEFI. I know that they exist, and I would have one if I had enough money.

Re: [qubes-users] Q4 Laptops...

2018-04-11 Thread taii...@gmx.com
What you ask for is impossible, it simply isn't made - no one has a laptop with 64GB RAM and 12 threads let alone one that is old enough to not have UEFI. The best you will get is a W520 or W530 where you can install coreboot (open hw init + nerfed ME) and have 32GB RAM. Purism is not libre -