Re: [qubes-users] Re: Fedora Desktop in Qubes

2017-01-08 Thread Andrew David Wong 
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On 2017-01-08 14:57, Patrick Bouldin wrote:
> On Sunday, January 8, 2017 at 11:15:56 AM UTC-5, Andrew David Wong wrote:
> On 2017-01-07 18:27, Patrick Bouldin wrote:
 On Saturday, January 7, 2017 at 3:21:42 AM UTC-5, Andrew David Wong wrote:
 On 2017-01-06 14:37, Patrick Bouldin wrote:
>>> On Wednesday, December 28, 2016 at 2:41:28 AM UTC-5, Andrew David
>>> Wong wrote: On 2016-12-27 12:39, Patrick Bouldin wrote:
>> On Tuesday, December 27, 2016 at 2:13:48 PM UTC-5, Patrick
>> Bouldin wrote:
>>> On Tuesday, December 27, 2016 at 2:11:04 PM UTC-5, Patrick
>>> Bouldin wrote:
 On Tuesday, December 27, 2016 at 2:04:28 PM UTC-5,
 Patrick Bouldin wrote:
> On Wednesday, December 21, 2016 at 6:13:24 AM UTC-5,
> Patrick Bouldin wrote:
>> Hi, I saw some threads on this but am not clear at a
>> high level.
>>
>> I thought I would install dropbox client on one of my
>> Fedora VMs so that working with files is much
>> smoother than from a browser. So, is installing a
>> Fedora Desktop the best plan to do that? Don't assume
>> I know enough of native Qubes ability please - maybe
>> I'm missing a key point!
>>
>> Thanks, Patrick
>
> Thanks David. housekeeping question - before I started
> I copied my Fedora template, just in case. Am I correct
> I can easily undo those changes incorrectly made by
> deleting the template and renaming the backup template
> to the production one (just deleted)?
>
>>>
>>> Yes, that's correct.
>>>

 Sorry, I meant Andrew!
>>>
>>>
>>> No worries.
>>>
>>> And I see it works so disregard, Andrew - thanks again.
>>
>> Wow, this is a bear for me.
>>
>> Dropbox said:Add the following to /etc/yum.conf.
>>
>>
>> name=Dropbox Repository 
>> baseurl=http://linux.dropbox.com/fedora/\$releasever/ 
>> gpgkey=http://linux.dropbox.com/fedora/rpm-public-key.asc
>>
>> So I performed a sudo gedit on that file and added the above
>> three lines. When I saved it I received this:
>>
>> ** (gedit:1791): WARNING **: Set document metadata failed:
>> Setting attribute metadata::gedit-position not supported 
>> [user@fedora-24 ~]$
>>
>> So I do see that you can't save metadata by extending the
>> yum.conf file, and tried a few other things that I think it
>> was suggesting.
>>
>>>
>>> No, I think that's just a warning message about the gedit program 
>>> itself. Should be safe to disregard. You can verify that the
>>> contents of the file were saved with `cat /etc/yum.conf`.
>>>
>> When I try and run $ sudo dnf install nautilus-dropbox I get
>> this: Last metadata expiration check: 0:14:35 ago on Tue Dec
>> 27 15:23:35 2016. No package nautilus-dropbox available. 
>> Error: Unable to find a match.
>>
>>>
>>> Try this:
>>>
>>> $ sudo dnf --refresh install nautilus-dropbox
>>>
>>> If that still doesn't work, try creating a separate repo file, 
>>> `/etc/yum.repos.d/dropbox.repo`, with this content:
>>>
>>> [Dropbox] name=Dropbox Repository 
>>> baseurl=http://linux.dropbox.com/fedora/$releasever/ 
>>> gpgkey=https://linux.dropbox.com/fedora/rpm-public-key.asc
>>>
>>> Then try this again:
>>>
>>> $ sudo dnf --refresh install nautilus-dropbox
>>>
>>>
>>> Darn, still not working - I noticed this link is not working:
>>> baseurl=http://linux.dropbox.com/fedora/\$releasever/ 
>>> gpgkey=http://linux.dropbox.com/fedora/rpm-public-key.asc
>>>
>>>
>>> So it's not finding the file, tested that just in my browser
>>> address bar.
>>>
>>> Patrick
>>>

 I wouldn't expect that to work in your browser address bar due to the
 backslash, but I have to ask: Why not try following the instructions I
 provided in the previous email (to which you're replying)?

 Hi Andrew, I did follow them precisely, I just started fumbling around on 
 my own - basically it still says it can't find the file, errors out - just 
 like before - so I was just adding 2+2, figured it was the one I pointed 
 out. So I did try the suggestions, including a special dropbox.repo in the 
 /etc directory, same result. I need this in the fedora-24 template, right?

 So if I:
 [user@fedora-24 etc]$ cat dropbox.repo

> 
> It needs to be in /etc/yum.repos.d/
> 
 I get...

 [Dropbox] name=Dropbox Repository

Re: [qubes-users] Re: Fedora Desktop in Qubes

2017-01-08 Thread '01v3g4n10' via qubes-users 
On Sunday, January 8, 2017 at 10:57:15 PM UTC, Patrick Bouldin wrote:
> On Sunday, January 8, 2017 at 11:15:56 AM UTC-5, Andrew David Wong wrote:
> > -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE-
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> > 
> > On 2017-01-07 18:27, Patrick Bouldin wrote:
> > > On Saturday, January 7, 2017 at 3:21:42 AM UTC-5, Andrew David Wong wrote:
> > > On 2017-01-06 14:37, Patrick Bouldin wrote:
> >  On Wednesday, December 28, 2016 at 2:41:28 AM UTC-5, Andrew David
> >  Wong wrote: On 2016-12-27 12:39, Patrick Bouldin wrote:
> > >>> On Tuesday, December 27, 2016 at 2:13:48 PM UTC-5, Patrick
> > >>> Bouldin wrote:
> >  On Tuesday, December 27, 2016 at 2:11:04 PM UTC-5, Patrick
> >  Bouldin wrote:
> > > On Tuesday, December 27, 2016 at 2:04:28 PM UTC-5,
> > > Patrick Bouldin wrote:
> > >> On Wednesday, December 21, 2016 at 6:13:24 AM UTC-5,
> > >> Patrick Bouldin wrote:
> > >>> Hi, I saw some threads on this but am not clear at a
> > >>> high level.
> > >>>
> > >>> I thought I would install dropbox client on one of my
> > >>> Fedora VMs so that working with files is much
> > >>> smoother than from a browser. So, is installing a
> > >>> Fedora Desktop the best plan to do that? Don't assume
> > >>> I know enough of native Qubes ability please - maybe
> > >>> I'm missing a key point!
> > >>>
> > >>> Thanks, Patrick
> > >>
> > >> Thanks David. housekeeping question - before I started
> > >> I copied my Fedora template, just in case. Am I correct
> > >> I can easily undo those changes incorrectly made by
> > >> deleting the template and renaming the backup template
> > >> to the production one (just deleted)?
> > >>
> > 
> >  Yes, that's correct.
> > 
> > >
> > > Sorry, I meant Andrew!
> > 
> > 
> >  No worries.
> > 
> >  And I see it works so disregard, Andrew - thanks again.
> > >>>
> > >>> Wow, this is a bear for me.
> > >>>
> > >>> Dropbox said:Add the following to /etc/yum.conf.
> > >>>
> > >>>
> > >>> name=Dropbox Repository 
> > >>> baseurl=http://linux.dropbox.com/fedora/\$releasever/ 
> > >>> gpgkey=http://linux.dropbox.com/fedora/rpm-public-key.asc
> > >>>
> > >>> So I performed a sudo gedit on that file and added the above
> > >>> three lines. When I saved it I received this:
> > >>>
> > >>> ** (gedit:1791): WARNING **: Set document metadata failed:
> > >>> Setting attribute metadata::gedit-position not supported 
> > >>> [user@fedora-24 ~]$
> > >>>
> > >>> So I do see that you can't save metadata by extending the
> > >>> yum.conf file, and tried a few other things that I think it
> > >>> was suggesting.
> > >>>
> > 
> >  No, I think that's just a warning message about the gedit program 
> >  itself. Should be safe to disregard. You can verify that the
> >  contents of the file were saved with `cat /etc/yum.conf`.
> > 
> > >>> When I try and run $ sudo dnf install nautilus-dropbox I get
> > >>> this: Last metadata expiration check: 0:14:35 ago on Tue Dec
> > >>> 27 15:23:35 2016. No package nautilus-dropbox available. 
> > >>> Error: Unable to find a match.
> > >>>
> > 
> >  Try this:
> > 
> >  $ sudo dnf --refresh install nautilus-dropbox
> > 
> >  If that still doesn't work, try creating a separate repo file, 
> >  `/etc/yum.repos.d/dropbox.repo`, with this content:
> > 
> >  [Dropbox] name=Dropbox Repository 
> >  baseurl=http://linux.dropbox.com/fedora/$releasever/ 
> >  gpgkey=https://linux.dropbox.com/fedora/rpm-public-key.asc
> > 
> >  Then try this again:
> > 
> >  $ sudo dnf --refresh install nautilus-dropbox
> > 
> > 
> >  Darn, still not working - I noticed this link is not working:
> >  baseurl=http://linux.dropbox.com/fedora/\$releasever/ 
> >  gpgkey=http://linux.dropbox.com/fedora/rpm-public-key.asc
> > 
> > 
> >  So it's not finding the file, tested that just in my browser
> >  address bar.
> > 
> >  Patrick
> > 
> > > 
> > > I wouldn't expect that to work in your browser address bar due to the
> > > backslash, but I have to ask: Why not try following the instructions I
> > > provided in the previous email (to which you're replying)?
> > > 
> > > Hi Andrew, I did follow them precisely, I just started fumbling around on 
> > > my own - basically it still says it can't find the file, errors out - 
> > > just like before - so I was just adding 2+2, figured it was the one I 
> > > pointed out. So I did try the suggestions, including a special 
> > > dropbox.repo in the /etc directory, same result. I need this in the 
> > > fedora-24 template, right?
> > > 
> > > So if I:
> > > [user@fedora-24 etc]$ cat dropbox.repo

Re: [qubes-users] Re: Fedora Desktop in Qubes

2017-01-08 Thread Patrick Bouldin 
On Sunday, January 8, 2017 at 11:15:56 AM UTC-5, Andrew David Wong wrote:
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> 
> On 2017-01-07 18:27, Patrick Bouldin wrote:
> > On Saturday, January 7, 2017 at 3:21:42 AM UTC-5, Andrew David Wong wrote:
> > On 2017-01-06 14:37, Patrick Bouldin wrote:
>  On Wednesday, December 28, 2016 at 2:41:28 AM UTC-5, Andrew David
>  Wong wrote: On 2016-12-27 12:39, Patrick Bouldin wrote:
> >>> On Tuesday, December 27, 2016 at 2:13:48 PM UTC-5, Patrick
> >>> Bouldin wrote:
>  On Tuesday, December 27, 2016 at 2:11:04 PM UTC-5, Patrick
>  Bouldin wrote:
> > On Tuesday, December 27, 2016 at 2:04:28 PM UTC-5,
> > Patrick Bouldin wrote:
> >> On Wednesday, December 21, 2016 at 6:13:24 AM UTC-5,
> >> Patrick Bouldin wrote:
> >>> Hi, I saw some threads on this but am not clear at a
> >>> high level.
> >>>
> >>> I thought I would install dropbox client on one of my
> >>> Fedora VMs so that working with files is much
> >>> smoother than from a browser. So, is installing a
> >>> Fedora Desktop the best plan to do that? Don't assume
> >>> I know enough of native Qubes ability please - maybe
> >>> I'm missing a key point!
> >>>
> >>> Thanks, Patrick
> >>
> >> Thanks David. housekeeping question - before I started
> >> I copied my Fedora template, just in case. Am I correct
> >> I can easily undo those changes incorrectly made by
> >> deleting the template and renaming the backup template
> >> to the production one (just deleted)?
> >>
> 
>  Yes, that's correct.
> 
> >
> > Sorry, I meant Andrew!
> 
> 
>  No worries.
> 
>  And I see it works so disregard, Andrew - thanks again.
> >>>
> >>> Wow, this is a bear for me.
> >>>
> >>> Dropbox said:Add the following to /etc/yum.conf.
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> name=Dropbox Repository 
> >>> baseurl=http://linux.dropbox.com/fedora/\$releasever/ 
> >>> gpgkey=http://linux.dropbox.com/fedora/rpm-public-key.asc
> >>>
> >>> So I performed a sudo gedit on that file and added the above
> >>> three lines. When I saved it I received this:
> >>>
> >>> ** (gedit:1791): WARNING **: Set document metadata failed:
> >>> Setting attribute metadata::gedit-position not supported 
> >>> [user@fedora-24 ~]$
> >>>
> >>> So I do see that you can't save metadata by extending the
> >>> yum.conf file, and tried a few other things that I think it
> >>> was suggesting.
> >>>
> 
>  No, I think that's just a warning message about the gedit program 
>  itself. Should be safe to disregard. You can verify that the
>  contents of the file were saved with `cat /etc/yum.conf`.
> 
> >>> When I try and run $ sudo dnf install nautilus-dropbox I get
> >>> this: Last metadata expiration check: 0:14:35 ago on Tue Dec
> >>> 27 15:23:35 2016. No package nautilus-dropbox available. 
> >>> Error: Unable to find a match.
> >>>
> 
>  Try this:
> 
>  $ sudo dnf --refresh install nautilus-dropbox
> 
>  If that still doesn't work, try creating a separate repo file, 
>  `/etc/yum.repos.d/dropbox.repo`, with this content:
> 
>  [Dropbox] name=Dropbox Repository 
>  baseurl=http://linux.dropbox.com/fedora/$releasever/ 
>  gpgkey=https://linux.dropbox.com/fedora/rpm-public-key.asc
> 
>  Then try this again:
> 
>  $ sudo dnf --refresh install nautilus-dropbox
> 
> 
>  Darn, still not working - I noticed this link is not working:
>  baseurl=http://linux.dropbox.com/fedora/\$releasever/ 
>  gpgkey=http://linux.dropbox.com/fedora/rpm-public-key.asc
> 
> 
>  So it's not finding the file, tested that just in my browser
>  address bar.
> 
>  Patrick
> 
> > 
> > I wouldn't expect that to work in your browser address bar due to the
> > backslash, but I have to ask: Why not try following the instructions I
> > provided in the previous email (to which you're replying)?
> > 
> > Hi Andrew, I did follow them precisely, I just started fumbling around on 
> > my own - basically it still says it can't find the file, errors out - just 
> > like before - so I was just adding 2+2, figured it was the one I pointed 
> > out. So I did try the suggestions, including a special dropbox.repo in the 
> > /etc directory, same result. I need this in the fedora-24 template, right?
> > 
> > So if I:
> > [user@fedora-24 etc]$ cat dropbox.repo
> > 
> 
> It needs to be in /etc/yum.repos.d/
> 
> > I get...
> > 
> > [Dropbox] name=Dropbox Repository
> > baseurl=http://linux.dropbox.com/fedora/$releasever/
> > gpgkey=https://linux.dropbox.com/fedora/rpm-public-key.asc
> > 
> > Then when I run
> > [user@fedora-24 etc]$ sudo dnf --refresh install

Re: [qubes-users] Re: Fedora Desktop in Qubes

2017-01-08 Thread Andrew David Wong 
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On 2017-01-07 18:27, Patrick Bouldin wrote:
> On Saturday, January 7, 2017 at 3:21:42 AM UTC-5, Andrew David Wong wrote:
> On 2017-01-06 14:37, Patrick Bouldin wrote:
 On Wednesday, December 28, 2016 at 2:41:28 AM UTC-5, Andrew David
 Wong wrote: On 2016-12-27 12:39, Patrick Bouldin wrote:
>>> On Tuesday, December 27, 2016 at 2:13:48 PM UTC-5, Patrick
>>> Bouldin wrote:
 On Tuesday, December 27, 2016 at 2:11:04 PM UTC-5, Patrick
 Bouldin wrote:
> On Tuesday, December 27, 2016 at 2:04:28 PM UTC-5,
> Patrick Bouldin wrote:
>> On Wednesday, December 21, 2016 at 6:13:24 AM UTC-5,
>> Patrick Bouldin wrote:
>>> Hi, I saw some threads on this but am not clear at a
>>> high level.
>>>
>>> I thought I would install dropbox client on one of my
>>> Fedora VMs so that working with files is much
>>> smoother than from a browser. So, is installing a
>>> Fedora Desktop the best plan to do that? Don't assume
>>> I know enough of native Qubes ability please - maybe
>>> I'm missing a key point!
>>>
>>> Thanks, Patrick
>>
>> Thanks David. housekeeping question - before I started
>> I copied my Fedora template, just in case. Am I correct
>> I can easily undo those changes incorrectly made by
>> deleting the template and renaming the backup template
>> to the production one (just deleted)?
>>

 Yes, that's correct.

>
> Sorry, I meant Andrew!


 No worries.

 And I see it works so disregard, Andrew - thanks again.
>>>
>>> Wow, this is a bear for me.
>>>
>>> Dropbox said:Add the following to /etc/yum.conf.
>>>
>>>
>>> name=Dropbox Repository 
>>> baseurl=http://linux.dropbox.com/fedora/\$releasever/ 
>>> gpgkey=http://linux.dropbox.com/fedora/rpm-public-key.asc
>>>
>>> So I performed a sudo gedit on that file and added the above
>>> three lines. When I saved it I received this:
>>>
>>> ** (gedit:1791): WARNING **: Set document metadata failed:
>>> Setting attribute metadata::gedit-position not supported 
>>> [user@fedora-24 ~]$
>>>
>>> So I do see that you can't save metadata by extending the
>>> yum.conf file, and tried a few other things that I think it
>>> was suggesting.
>>>

 No, I think that's just a warning message about the gedit program 
 itself. Should be safe to disregard. You can verify that the
 contents of the file were saved with `cat /etc/yum.conf`.

>>> When I try and run $ sudo dnf install nautilus-dropbox I get
>>> this: Last metadata expiration check: 0:14:35 ago on Tue Dec
>>> 27 15:23:35 2016. No package nautilus-dropbox available. 
>>> Error: Unable to find a match.
>>>

 Try this:

 $ sudo dnf --refresh install nautilus-dropbox

 If that still doesn't work, try creating a separate repo file, 
 `/etc/yum.repos.d/dropbox.repo`, with this content:

 [Dropbox] name=Dropbox Repository 
 baseurl=http://linux.dropbox.com/fedora/$releasever/ 
 gpgkey=https://linux.dropbox.com/fedora/rpm-public-key.asc

 Then try this again:

 $ sudo dnf --refresh install nautilus-dropbox


 Darn, still not working - I noticed this link is not working:
 baseurl=http://linux.dropbox.com/fedora/\$releasever/ 
 gpgkey=http://linux.dropbox.com/fedora/rpm-public-key.asc


 So it's not finding the file, tested that just in my browser
 address bar.

 Patrick

> 
> I wouldn't expect that to work in your browser address bar due to the
> backslash, but I have to ask: Why not try following the instructions I
> provided in the previous email (to which you're replying)?
> 
> Hi Andrew, I did follow them precisely, I just started fumbling around on my 
> own - basically it still says it can't find the file, errors out - just like 
> before - so I was just adding 2+2, figured it was the one I pointed out. So I 
> did try the suggestions, including a special dropbox.repo in the /etc 
> directory, same result. I need this in the fedora-24 template, right?
> 
> So if I:
> [user@fedora-24 etc]$ cat dropbox.repo
> 

It needs to be in /etc/yum.repos.d/

> I get...
> 
> [Dropbox] name=Dropbox Repository
> baseurl=http://linux.dropbox.com/fedora/$releasever/
> gpgkey=https://linux.dropbox.com/fedora/rpm-public-key.asc
> 
> Then when I run
> [user@fedora-24 etc]$ sudo dnf --refresh install nautilus-dropbox
> 
> I get...
> 
> google-chrome 2.3 kB/s | 3.7 kB 00:01 
>
> Fedora 24 - x86_64 - Updates  3.4 MB/s |  20 MB 00:05 
>

Re: [qubes-users] Re: Fedora Desktop in Qubes

2017-01-08 Thread Andrew David Wong 
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On 2017-01-07 18:42, Manuel Amador (Rudd-O) wrote:
> On 12/24/2016 05:58 PM, Andrew David Wong wrote:
>> 
>> This is not true. Dropbox doesn't even start automatically, much
>> less communicate automatically. If you install Dropbox in a
>> Fedora TemplateVM according to the above instructions, the
>> Dropbox daemon will *not* start automatically in any AppVM based
>> on that template. You have to start it manually. (After starting
>> it manually, you can configure it to start whenever the VM starts
>> up, if you wish.)
>> 
> 
> I believe the RPM installs a desktop file in the autostart
> directory so, yes, it does start automatically.
> 
> You can mask it, though.
> 

Not for me. After installing in a TemplateVM with the procedure I gave
above, then starting an AppVM based on that template:

$ dropbox status
Dropbox isn't running!

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Re: [qubes-users] Re: Fedora Desktop in Qubes

2017-01-07 Thread Manuel Amador (Rudd-O) 
On 12/24/2016 05:58 PM, Andrew David Wong wrote:
>
> This is not true. Dropbox doesn't even start automatically, much less
> communicate automatically. If you install Dropbox in a Fedora
> TemplateVM according to the above instructions, the Dropbox daemon
> will *not* start automatically in any AppVM based on that template.
> You have to start it manually. (After starting it manually, you can
> configure it to start whenever the VM starts up, if you wish.)
>

I believe the RPM installs a desktop file in the autostart directory so,
yes, it does start automatically.

You can mask it, though.

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Re: [qubes-users] Re: Fedora Desktop in Qubes

2017-01-07 Thread Patrick Bouldin 
On Saturday, January 7, 2017 at 3:21:42 AM UTC-5, Andrew David Wong wrote:
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> On 2017-01-06 14:37, Patrick Bouldin wrote:
> > On Wednesday, December 28, 2016 at 2:41:28 AM UTC-5, Andrew David
> > Wong wrote: On 2016-12-27 12:39, Patrick Bouldin wrote:
>  On Tuesday, December 27, 2016 at 2:13:48 PM UTC-5, Patrick
>  Bouldin wrote:
> > On Tuesday, December 27, 2016 at 2:11:04 PM UTC-5, Patrick
> > Bouldin wrote:
> >> On Tuesday, December 27, 2016 at 2:04:28 PM UTC-5,
> >> Patrick Bouldin wrote:
> >>> On Wednesday, December 21, 2016 at 6:13:24 AM UTC-5,
> >>> Patrick Bouldin wrote:
>  Hi, I saw some threads on this but am not clear at a
>  high level.
>  
>  I thought I would install dropbox client on one of my
>  Fedora VMs so that working with files is much
>  smoother than from a browser. So, is installing a
>  Fedora Desktop the best plan to do that? Don't assume
>  I know enough of native Qubes ability please - maybe
>  I'm missing a key point!
>  
>  Thanks, Patrick
> >>> 
> >>> Thanks David. housekeeping question - before I started
> >>> I copied my Fedora template, just in case. Am I correct
> >>> I can easily undo those changes incorrectly made by
> >>> deleting the template and renaming the backup template
> >>> to the production one (just deleted)?
> >>> 
> > 
> > Yes, that's correct.
> > 
> >> 
> >> Sorry, I meant Andrew!
> > 
> > 
> > No worries.
> > 
> > And I see it works so disregard, Andrew - thanks again.
>  
>  Wow, this is a bear for me.
>  
>  Dropbox said:Add the following to /etc/yum.conf.
>  
>  
>  name=Dropbox Repository 
>  baseurl=http://linux.dropbox.com/fedora/\$releasever/ 
>  gpgkey=http://linux.dropbox.com/fedora/rpm-public-key.asc
>  
>  So I performed a sudo gedit on that file and added the above
>  three lines. When I saved it I received this:
>  
>  ** (gedit:1791): WARNING **: Set document metadata failed:
>  Setting attribute metadata::gedit-position not supported 
>  [user@fedora-24 ~]$
>  
>  So I do see that you can't save metadata by extending the
>  yum.conf file, and tried a few other things that I think it
>  was suggesting.
>  
> > 
> > No, I think that's just a warning message about the gedit program 
> > itself. Should be safe to disregard. You can verify that the
> > contents of the file were saved with `cat /etc/yum.conf`.
> > 
>  When I try and run $ sudo dnf install nautilus-dropbox I get
>  this: Last metadata expiration check: 0:14:35 ago on Tue Dec
>  27 15:23:35 2016. No package nautilus-dropbox available. 
>  Error: Unable to find a match.
>  
> > 
> > Try this:
> > 
> > $ sudo dnf --refresh install nautilus-dropbox
> > 
> > If that still doesn't work, try creating a separate repo file, 
> > `/etc/yum.repos.d/dropbox.repo`, with this content:
> > 
> > [Dropbox] name=Dropbox Repository 
> > baseurl=http://linux.dropbox.com/fedora/$releasever/ 
> > gpgkey=https://linux.dropbox.com/fedora/rpm-public-key.asc
> > 
> > Then try this again:
> > 
> > $ sudo dnf --refresh install nautilus-dropbox
> > 
> > 
> > Darn, still not working - I noticed this link is not working:
> > baseurl=http://linux.dropbox.com/fedora/\$releasever/ 
> > gpgkey=http://linux.dropbox.com/fedora/rpm-public-key.asc
> > 
> > 
> > So it's not finding the file, tested that just in my browser
> > address bar.
> > 
> > Patrick
> > 
> 
> I wouldn't expect that to work in your browser address bar due to the
> backslash, but I have to ask: Why not try following the instructions I
> provided in the previous email (to which you're replying)?
> 
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Hi Andrew, I did follow them precisely, I just started fumbling around on my 
own - basically it still says it can't find the file, errors out - just like 
before - so I was just adding 2+2, figured it was the one I pointed out. So

Re: [qubes-users] Re: Fedora Desktop in Qubes

2017-01-07 Thread Andrew David Wong 
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On 2017-01-07 00:21, Andrew David Wong wrote:
> On 2017-01-06 14:37, Patrick Bouldin wrote:
>> On Wednesday, December 28, 2016 at 2:41:28 AM UTC-5, Andrew
>> David Wong wrote: On 2016-12-27 12:39, Patrick Bouldin wrote:
> On Tuesday, December 27, 2016 at 2:13:48 PM UTC-5, Patrick 
> Bouldin wrote:
>> On Tuesday, December 27, 2016 at 2:11:04 PM UTC-5,
>> Patrick Bouldin wrote:
>>> On Tuesday, December 27, 2016 at 2:04:28 PM UTC-5, 
>>> Patrick Bouldin wrote:
 On Wednesday, December 21, 2016 at 6:13:24 AM UTC-5, 
 Patrick Bouldin wrote:
> Hi, I saw some threads on this but am not clear at
> a high level.
> 
> I thought I would install dropbox client on one of
> my Fedora VMs so that working with files is much 
> smoother than from a browser. So, is installing a 
> Fedora Desktop the best plan to do that? Don't
> assume I know enough of native Qubes ability please
> - maybe I'm missing a key point!
> 
> Thanks, Patrick
 
 Thanks David. housekeeping question - before I
 started I copied my Fedora template, just in case. Am
 I correct I can easily undo those changes incorrectly
 made by deleting the template and renaming the backup
 template to the production one (just deleted)?
 
> 
>> Yes, that's correct.
> 
>>> 
>>> Sorry, I meant Andrew!
>> 
> 
>> No worries.
> 
>> And I see it works so disregard, Andrew - thanks again.
> 
> Wow, this is a bear for me.
> 
> Dropbox said:Add the following to /etc/yum.conf.
> 
> 
> name=Dropbox Repository 
> baseurl=http://linux.dropbox.com/fedora/\$releasever/ 
> gpgkey=http://linux.dropbox.com/fedora/rpm-public-key.asc
> 
> So I performed a sudo gedit on that file and added the
> above three lines. When I saved it I received this:
> 
> ** (gedit:1791): WARNING **: Set document metadata failed: 
> Setting attribute metadata::gedit-position not supported 
> [user@fedora-24 ~]$
> 
> So I do see that you can't save metadata by extending the 
> yum.conf file, and tried a few other things that I think
> it was suggesting.
> 
> 
>> No, I think that's just a warning message about the gedit program
>>  itself. Should be safe to disregard. You can verify that the 
>> contents of the file were saved with `cat /etc/yum.conf`.
> 
> When I try and run $ sudo dnf install nautilus-dropbox I
> get this: Last metadata expiration check: 0:14:35 ago on
> Tue Dec 27 15:23:35 2016. No package nautilus-dropbox
> available. Error: Unable to find a match.
> 
> 
>> Try this:
> 
>> $ sudo dnf --refresh install nautilus-dropbox
> 
>> If that still doesn't work, try creating a separate repo file, 
>> `/etc/yum.repos.d/dropbox.repo`, with this content:
> 
>> [Dropbox] name=Dropbox Repository 
>> baseurl=http://linux.dropbox.com/fedora/$releasever/ 
>> gpgkey=https://linux.dropbox.com/fedora/rpm-public-key.asc
> 
>> Then try this again:
> 
>> $ sudo dnf --refresh install nautilus-dropbox
> 
> 
>> Darn, still not working - I noticed this link is not working: 
>> baseurl=http://linux.dropbox.com/fedora/\$releasever/ 
>> gpgkey=http://linux.dropbox.com/fedora/rpm-public-key.asc
> 
> 
>> So it's not finding the file, tested that just in my browser 
>> address bar.
> 
>> Patrick
> 
> 
> I wouldn't expect that to work in your browser address bar due to
> the backslash,

(Not to mention the "$releasever" variable!)

> but I have to ask: Why not try following the instructions I 
> provided in the previous email (to which you're replying)?
> 

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Re: [qubes-users] Re: Fedora Desktop in Qubes

2017-01-07 Thread Andrew David Wong 
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On 2017-01-06 14:37, Patrick Bouldin wrote:
> On Wednesday, December 28, 2016 at 2:41:28 AM UTC-5, Andrew David
> Wong wrote: On 2016-12-27 12:39, Patrick Bouldin wrote:
 On Tuesday, December 27, 2016 at 2:13:48 PM UTC-5, Patrick
 Bouldin wrote:
> On Tuesday, December 27, 2016 at 2:11:04 PM UTC-5, Patrick
> Bouldin wrote:
>> On Tuesday, December 27, 2016 at 2:04:28 PM UTC-5,
>> Patrick Bouldin wrote:
>>> On Wednesday, December 21, 2016 at 6:13:24 AM UTC-5,
>>> Patrick Bouldin wrote:
 Hi, I saw some threads on this but am not clear at a
 high level.
 
 I thought I would install dropbox client on one of my
 Fedora VMs so that working with files is much
 smoother than from a browser. So, is installing a
 Fedora Desktop the best plan to do that? Don't assume
 I know enough of native Qubes ability please - maybe
 I'm missing a key point!
 
 Thanks, Patrick
>>> 
>>> Thanks David. housekeeping question - before I started
>>> I copied my Fedora template, just in case. Am I correct
>>> I can easily undo those changes incorrectly made by
>>> deleting the template and renaming the backup template
>>> to the production one (just deleted)?
>>> 
> 
> Yes, that's correct.
> 
>> 
>> Sorry, I meant Andrew!
> 
> 
> No worries.
> 
> And I see it works so disregard, Andrew - thanks again.
 
 Wow, this is a bear for me.
 
 Dropbox said:Add the following to /etc/yum.conf.
 
 
 name=Dropbox Repository 
 baseurl=http://linux.dropbox.com/fedora/\$releasever/ 
 gpgkey=http://linux.dropbox.com/fedora/rpm-public-key.asc
 
 So I performed a sudo gedit on that file and added the above
 three lines. When I saved it I received this:
 
 ** (gedit:1791): WARNING **: Set document metadata failed:
 Setting attribute metadata::gedit-position not supported 
 [user@fedora-24 ~]$
 
 So I do see that you can't save metadata by extending the
 yum.conf file, and tried a few other things that I think it
 was suggesting.
 
> 
> No, I think that's just a warning message about the gedit program 
> itself. Should be safe to disregard. You can verify that the
> contents of the file were saved with `cat /etc/yum.conf`.
> 
 When I try and run $ sudo dnf install nautilus-dropbox I get
 this: Last metadata expiration check: 0:14:35 ago on Tue Dec
 27 15:23:35 2016. No package nautilus-dropbox available. 
 Error: Unable to find a match.
 
> 
> Try this:
> 
> $ sudo dnf --refresh install nautilus-dropbox
> 
> If that still doesn't work, try creating a separate repo file, 
> `/etc/yum.repos.d/dropbox.repo`, with this content:
> 
> [Dropbox] name=Dropbox Repository 
> baseurl=http://linux.dropbox.com/fedora/$releasever/ 
> gpgkey=https://linux.dropbox.com/fedora/rpm-public-key.asc
> 
> Then try this again:
> 
> $ sudo dnf --refresh install nautilus-dropbox
> 
> 
> Darn, still not working - I noticed this link is not working:
> baseurl=http://linux.dropbox.com/fedora/\$releasever/ 
> gpgkey=http://linux.dropbox.com/fedora/rpm-public-key.asc
> 
> 
> So it's not finding the file, tested that just in my browser
> address bar.
> 
> Patrick
> 

I wouldn't expect that to work in your browser address bar due to the
backslash, but I have to ask: Why not try following the instructions I
provided in the previous email (to which you're replying)?

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Re: [qubes-users] Re: Fedora Desktop in Qubes

2017-01-06 Thread Patrick Bouldin 
On Wednesday, December 28, 2016 at 2:41:28 AM UTC-5, Andrew David Wong wrote:
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> On 2016-12-27 12:39, Patrick Bouldin wrote:
> > On Tuesday, December 27, 2016 at 2:13:48 PM UTC-5, Patrick Bouldin wrote:
> >> On Tuesday, December 27, 2016 at 2:11:04 PM UTC-5, Patrick Bouldin wrote:
> >>> On Tuesday, December 27, 2016 at 2:04:28 PM UTC-5, Patrick Bouldin wrote:
>  On Wednesday, December 21, 2016 at 6:13:24 AM UTC-5, Patrick Bouldin 
>  wrote:
> > Hi, I saw some threads on this but am not clear at a high level.
> >
> > I thought I would install dropbox client on one of my Fedora VMs so 
> > that working with files is much smoother than from a browser. So, is 
> > installing a Fedora Desktop the best plan to do that? Don't assume I 
> > know enough of native Qubes ability please - maybe I'm missing a key 
> > point!
> >
> > Thanks,
> > Patrick
> 
>  Thanks David. housekeeping question - before I started I copied my 
>  Fedora template, just in case. Am I correct I can easily undo those 
>  changes incorrectly made by deleting the template and renaming the 
>  backup template to the production one (just deleted)?
> 
> 
> Yes, that's correct.
> 
> >>>
> >>> Sorry, I meant Andrew!
> >>
> 
> No worries.
> 
> >> And I see it works so disregard, Andrew - thanks again.
> > 
> > Wow, this is a bear for me. 
> > 
> > Dropbox said:Add the following to /etc/yum.conf.
> > 
> > 
> > name=Dropbox Repository
> > baseurl=http://linux.dropbox.com/fedora/\$releasever/
> > gpgkey=http://linux.dropbox.com/fedora/rpm-public-key.asc
> > 
> > So I performed a sudo gedit on that file and added the above three lines. 
> > When I saved it I received this:
> > 
> > ** (gedit:1791): WARNING **: Set document metadata failed: Setting 
> > attribute metadata::gedit-position not supported
> > [user@fedora-24 ~]$ 
> > 
> > So I do see that you can't save metadata by extending the yum.conf file, 
> > and tried a few other things that I think it was suggesting.
> > 
> 
> No, I think that's just a warning message about the gedit program
> itself. Should be safe to disregard. You can verify that the contents of
> the file were saved with `cat /etc/yum.conf`.
> 
> > When I try and run $ sudo dnf install nautilus-dropbox
> > I get this:
> > Last metadata expiration check: 0:14:35 ago on Tue Dec 27 15:23:35 2016.
> > No package nautilus-dropbox available.
> > Error: Unable to find a match.
> > 
> 
> Try this:
> 
> $ sudo dnf --refresh install nautilus-dropbox
> 
> If that still doesn't work, try creating a separate repo file,
> `/etc/yum.repos.d/dropbox.repo`, with this content:
> 
> [Dropbox]
> name=Dropbox Repository
> baseurl=http://linux.dropbox.com/fedora/$releasever/
> gpgkey=https://linux.dropbox.com/fedora/rpm-public-key.asc
> 
> Then try this again:
> 
> $ sudo dnf --refresh install nautilus-dropbox
> 
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Darn, still not working - I noticed this link is not working: 
baseurl=http://linux.dropbox.com/fedora/\$releasever/
gpgkey=http://linux.dropbox.com/fedora/rpm-public-key.asc


So it's not finding the file, tested that just in my browser address bar.

Patrick

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Re: [qubes-users] Re: Fedora Desktop in Qubes

2016-12-27 Thread Andrew David Wong 
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On 2016-12-27 12:39, Patrick Bouldin wrote:
> On Tuesday, December 27, 2016 at 2:13:48 PM UTC-5, Patrick Bouldin wrote:
>> On Tuesday, December 27, 2016 at 2:11:04 PM UTC-5, Patrick Bouldin wrote:
>>> On Tuesday, December 27, 2016 at 2:04:28 PM UTC-5, Patrick Bouldin wrote:
 On Wednesday, December 21, 2016 at 6:13:24 AM UTC-5, Patrick Bouldin wrote:
> Hi, I saw some threads on this but am not clear at a high level.
>
> I thought I would install dropbox client on one of my Fedora VMs so that 
> working with files is much smoother than from a browser. So, is 
> installing a Fedora Desktop the best plan to do that? Don't assume I know 
> enough of native Qubes ability please - maybe I'm missing a key point!
>
> Thanks,
> Patrick

 Thanks David. housekeeping question - before I started I copied my Fedora 
 template, just in case. Am I correct I can easily undo those changes 
 incorrectly made by deleting the template and renaming the backup template 
 to the production one (just deleted)?


Yes, that's correct.

>>>
>>> Sorry, I meant Andrew!
>>

No worries.

>> And I see it works so disregard, Andrew - thanks again.
> 
> Wow, this is a bear for me. 
> 
> Dropbox said:Add the following to /etc/yum.conf.
> 
> 
> name=Dropbox Repository
> baseurl=http://linux.dropbox.com/fedora/\$releasever/
> gpgkey=http://linux.dropbox.com/fedora/rpm-public-key.asc
> 
> So I performed a sudo gedit on that file and added the above three lines. 
> When I saved it I received this:
> 
> ** (gedit:1791): WARNING **: Set document metadata failed: Setting attribute 
> metadata::gedit-position not supported
> [user@fedora-24 ~]$ 
> 
> So I do see that you can't save metadata by extending the yum.conf file, and 
> tried a few other things that I think it was suggesting.
> 

No, I think that's just a warning message about the gedit program
itself. Should be safe to disregard. You can verify that the contents of
the file were saved with `cat /etc/yum.conf`.

> When I try and run $ sudo dnf install nautilus-dropbox
> I get this:
> Last metadata expiration check: 0:14:35 ago on Tue Dec 27 15:23:35 2016.
> No package nautilus-dropbox available.
> Error: Unable to find a match.
> 

Try this:

$ sudo dnf --refresh install nautilus-dropbox

If that still doesn't work, try creating a separate repo file,
`/etc/yum.repos.d/dropbox.repo`, with this content:

[Dropbox]
name=Dropbox Repository
baseurl=http://linux.dropbox.com/fedora/$releasever/
gpgkey=https://linux.dropbox.com/fedora/rpm-public-key.asc

Then try this again:

$ sudo dnf --refresh install nautilus-dropbox

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Re: [qubes-users] Re: Fedora Desktop in Qubes

2016-12-27 Thread Andrew David Wong 
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On 2016-12-27 09:35, Patrick Bouldin wrote:
> On Wednesday, December 21, 2016 at 6:13:24 AM UTC-5, Patrick Bouldin wrote:
>> Hi, I saw some threads on this but am not clear at a high level.
>>
>> I thought I would install dropbox client on one of my Fedora VMs so that 
>> working with files is much smoother than from a browser. So, is installing a 
>> Fedora Desktop the best plan to do that? Don't assume I know enough of 
>> native Qubes ability please - maybe I'm missing a key point!
>>
>> Thanks,
>> Patrick
> 
> Ran into some issues, can I confirm what you said?
> 
> So I first installed dropbox according to dropbox instructions:
> 
> $ cd ~ && wget -O - "https://www.dropbox.com/download?plat=lnx.x86_64; | tar 
> xzf -
> 
> That completes ok...
> Then they say:
> 
> Next, run the Dropbox daemon from the newly created .dropbox-dist folder.
> 
> ~/.dropbox-dist/dropboxd
> 
> I attempted this in the same Fedore template, is that correct?

This is a different installation method than the one I recommended.
It sounds like you're downloading a binary directly from Dropbox's
website and running it. My recommendations was to install it from the
repo instead.

> It installs but doesn't complete - it actually starts dropbox file synching.

That's because you told it to. :)
You manually started the Dropbox daemon in your last step above.

> I know you said that after I install according to your instructions to do:
> 
> $ sudo dnf install nautilus-dropbox 
> 

No, that's not *after* you install it. That's *in order to* install it.

> I assume that is also on the Fedora template?

Yes, in the Fedora template.

> I tried that with and without the last instruction from dropbox on the 
> template.
> 

The instructions for adding the repo are here:

https://www.dropbox.com/en/help/246

After you add the repo, then this command will work:

$ sudo dnf install nautilus-dropbox

> Incidentally, I am able to successfully load dropbox and synch on any of my 
> VMs... (of course I lose it when restart). So just need clarification on the 
> template.
> 
> PS - I do not want Dropbox to start in a VM unless I tell it.
> 
> Thanks!
> Patrick
> Dallas
> 

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Re: [qubes-users] Re: Fedora Desktop in Qubes

2016-12-24 Thread Jean-Philippe Ouellet 
On Sat, Dec 24, 2016 at 12:52 AM, Andrew David Wong  wrote:
> On 2016-12-23 16:20, Jean-Philippe Ouellet wrote:
>> On Thu, Dec 22, 2016 at 1:17 AM, Andrew David Wong
>>  wrote:
>>> You'll want to install Dropbox in your TemplateVM so that you can
>>> use it in AppVMs based on that TemplateVM. You can follow the
>>> instructions on Dropbox's website for adding their repo in your
>>> Fedora TemplateVM, then:
>>>
>>> $ sudo dnf install nautilus-dropbox
>>
>> However, be careful with which template you install it in!
>
> This is *always* true for *anything* you install in *any* template.

We agree.

However, I wanted to point out that it is particularly relevant for
services which establish some outgoing network connection
automatically, as this necessarily increases the attack surface
compared to a piece of software which does not.

For example, compare it to installing rsync. Assuming neither the
dropbox or rsync packages are malicious and actively target Qubes,
Dropbox still incurs more risk in derived AppVMs than would rsync due
to the fact that rsync does not *automatically* communicate with
external untrusted machines which may attempt to attack you, whereas
Dropbox does.

In a template with derived AppVMs in which you only e.g. browse the
web and never manually invoke rsync or make intentional use of
Dropbox, this may matter.

What I mean to say in practice for the OP is "if you currently have
only a single template (as does a default install) maybe installing
dropbox there isn't a good idea."

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Re: [qubes-users] Re: Fedora Desktop in Qubes

2016-12-23 Thread Andrew David Wong 
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On 2016-12-23 16:20, Jean-Philippe Ouellet wrote:
> On Thu, Dec 22, 2016 at 1:17 AM, Andrew David Wong
>  wrote:
>> You'll want to install Dropbox in your TemplateVM so that you can
>> use it in AppVMs based on that TemplateVM. You can follow the
>> instructions on Dropbox's website for adding their repo in your
>> Fedora TemplateVM, then:
>> 
>> $ sudo dnf install nautilus-dropbox
> 
> However, be careful with which template you install it in!

This is *always* true for *anything* you install in *any* template.

> In particular, if this template is used for VMs which have network 
> access and also secrets you wish to never be in dropbox, then this
> may be a dangerously bad idea.

Dropbox only syncs the contents of its own folder, so this won't
happen by accident. (If you're assuming that Dropbox is malicious,
then of course it could potentially own the entire VM, just like any
other hypothetical VM-owning malware.)

> You may wish to create a separate template for this purpose.

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Re: [qubes-users] Re: Fedora Desktop in Qubes

2016-12-21 Thread Andrew David Wong 
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On 2016-12-21 19:21, Patrick Bouldin wrote:
> On Wednesday, December 21, 2016 at 6:13:24 AM UTC-5, Patrick
> Bouldin wrote:
>> Hi, I saw some threads on this but am not clear at a high level.
>> 
>> I thought I would install dropbox client on one of my Fedora VMs
>> so that working with files is much smoother than from a browser.
>> So, is installing a Fedora Desktop the best plan to do that?
>> Don't assume I know enough of native Qubes ability please - maybe
>> I'm missing a key point!
>> 

You'll want to install Dropbox in your TemplateVM so that you can use it
in AppVMs based on that TemplateVM. You can follow the instructions on
Dropbox's website for adding their repo in your Fedora TemplateVM, then:

$ sudo dnf install nautilus-dropbox

> one day of poking around more, let me just ask this. I looked but
> could not find, is it normal to be able to launch Fedora GNOME
> inside a Fedora 24 VM? How does one do that? I tried StartX... that
> doesn't work. Do I need to install something?
> 

Quoting Marek's answer to this in another thread:
> This isn't possible for standard AppVMs - this part (emulated GPU)
> is intentionally disabled there. If you really want, for whatever
> reason, you can: - start vncserver in the VM and connect to it from
> the same VM - create HVM and install some linux (or other system)
> there - HVMs are running with emulated GPU and can be viewed with
> full desktop in a window: https://www.qubes-os.org/doc/hvm/

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