Re: [qubes-users] Re: How to check that an 'in-place upgrade' from Qubes R4.0 to R4.1 was successful?

2022-06-03 Thread Viktor Ransmayr
Hello Demi & Qubes Community,

Viktor Ransmayr schrieb am Donnerstag, 2. Juni 2022 um 22:09:41 UTC+2:

> Demi Marie Obenour schrieb am Donnerstag, 2. Juni 2022 um 15:08:17 UTC+2:
>
>> On Thu, Jun 02, 2022 at 03:24:50AM -0700, Viktor Ransmayr wrote: 
>> > Demi Marie Obenour schrieb am Donnerstag, 2. Juni 2022 um 01:18:35 
>> UTC+2: 
>> > > On Wed, Jun 01, 2022 at 10:03:14PM +, Qubes OS Users Mailing List 
>> > > wrote: 
>> > > > On Tue, May 31, 2022 at 11:54:24PM -0700, Viktor Ransmayr wrote: 
>> > > > > I've performed the same task today - and - the same 14 packages 
>> were 
>> > > > > removed again ... 
>> > > > > 
>> > > > > So it's clear now that something went wrong with my 'in-place 
>> upgrade' 
>> > > ! 
>> > > > > 
>> > > > > Anything that I could try, beside a completely fresh installation 
>> of 
>> > > Qubes 
>> > > > > OS R4.1 ? 
>> > > > 
>> > > > I've had similar issues: 
>> > > > https://github.com/QubesOS/qubes-issues/issues/7503 
>> > > > 
>> > > > Maybe try some of the ideas suggested there? 
>> > > 
>> > > The Python 2 packages should be safe to remove, unless I have missed 
>> > > something. 
>> > > 
>> > 
>> > It's unclear to me, why I should ... 
>> > 
>> > If I would manually delete those packages, would they not get 
>> re-installed 
>> > the next day? 
>>
>> In dom0, this is leftover cruft from R4.0. It serves no purpose in 
>> R4.1. My R4.1 dom0 does not even have a Python 2 interpreter. 
>>
>
> OK, I'll try - and - will report back tomorrow, when another 'dom0' update 
> notification will be sent.
>

Thanks, it looks like the problem of packages, which were reported for 
removal, is resolved.

Now the only problem that remains, is that ...

* I can not install the Fedora 35 templates - and - that ...
* I still have doubts about the status of my system, after the 'in-place 
upgrade' operation ;-)

With kind regards,

Viktor

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Re: [qubes-users] Re: How to check that an 'in-place upgrade' from Qubes R4.0 to R4.1 was successful?

2022-06-02 Thread Viktor Ransmayr
Hello Demi,

Demi Marie Obenour schrieb am Donnerstag, 2. Juni 2022 um 15:08:17 UTC+2:

> On Thu, Jun 02, 2022 at 03:24:50AM -0700, Viktor Ransmayr wrote: 
> > Hello Demi, 
> > 
> > Demi Marie Obenour schrieb am Donnerstag, 2. Juni 2022 um 01:18:35 
> UTC+2: 
> > 
> > > On Wed, Jun 01, 2022 at 10:03:14PM +, Qubes OS Users Mailing List 
> > > wrote: 
> > > > On Tue, May 31, 2022 at 11:54:24PM -0700, Viktor Ransmayr wrote: 
> > > > > I've performed the same task today - and - the same 14 packages 
> were 
> > > > > removed again ... 
> > > > > 
> > > > > So it's clear now that something went wrong with my 'in-place 
> upgrade' 
> > > ! 
> > > > > 
> > > > > Anything that I could try, beside a completely fresh installation 
> of 
> > > Qubes 
> > > > > OS R4.1 ? 
> > > > 
> > > > I've had similar issues: 
> > > > https://github.com/QubesOS/qubes-issues/issues/7503 
> > > > 
> > > > Maybe try some of the ideas suggested there? 
> > > 
> > > The Python 2 packages should be safe to remove, unless I have missed 
> > > something. 
> > > 
> > 
> > It's unclear to me, why I should ... 
> > 
> > If I would manually delete those packages, would they not get 
> re-installed 
> > the next day? 
>
> In dom0, this is leftover cruft from R4.0. It serves no purpose in 
> R4.1. My R4.1 dom0 does not even have a Python 2 interpreter. 
>

OK, I'll try - and - will report back tomorrow, when another 'dom0' update 
notification will be sent.

With kind regards,

Viktor

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Re: [qubes-users] Re: How to check that an 'in-place upgrade' from Qubes R4.0 to R4.1 was successful?

2022-06-02 Thread Demi Marie Obenour
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On Thu, Jun 02, 2022 at 03:24:50AM -0700, Viktor Ransmayr wrote:
> Hello Demi,
> 
> Demi Marie Obenour schrieb am Donnerstag, 2. Juni 2022 um 01:18:35 UTC+2:
> 
> > On Wed, Jun 01, 2022 at 10:03:14PM +, Qubes OS Users Mailing List 
> > wrote: 
> > > On Tue, May 31, 2022 at 11:54:24PM -0700, Viktor Ransmayr wrote: 
> > > > I've performed the same task today - and - the same 14 packages were 
> > > > removed again ... 
> > > > 
> > > > So it's clear now that something went wrong with my 'in-place upgrade' 
> > ! 
> > > > 
> > > > Anything that I could try, beside a completely fresh installation of 
> > Qubes 
> > > > OS R4.1 ? 
> > > 
> > > I've had similar issues: 
> > > https://github.com/QubesOS/qubes-issues/issues/7503 
> > > 
> > > Maybe try some of the ideas suggested there? 
> >
> > The Python 2 packages should be safe to remove, unless I have missed 
> > something. 
> >
> 
> It's unclear to me, why I should ...
> 
> If I would manually delete those packages, would they not get re-installed 
> the next day?

In dom0, this is leftover cruft from R4.0.  It serves no purpose in
R4.1.  My R4.1 dom0 does not even have a Python 2 interpreter.

> Or asked differently:
> 
> If they are not needed in R4.1 / Fedora 32 for dom0, why have they been 
> included in the first place? 

Not sure.

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Sincerely,
Demi Marie Obenour (she/her/hers)
Invisible Things Lab
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Re: [qubes-users] Re: How to check that an 'in-place upgrade' from Qubes R4.0 to R4.1 was successful?

2022-06-02 Thread Viktor Ransmayr
Hello Demi,

Demi Marie Obenour schrieb am Donnerstag, 2. Juni 2022 um 01:18:35 UTC+2:

> On Wed, Jun 01, 2022 at 10:03:14PM +, Qubes OS Users Mailing List 
> wrote: 
> > On Tue, May 31, 2022 at 11:54:24PM -0700, Viktor Ransmayr wrote: 
> > > I've performed the same task today - and - the same 14 packages were 
> > > removed again ... 
> > > 
> > > So it's clear now that something went wrong with my 'in-place upgrade' 
> ! 
> > > 
> > > Anything that I could try, beside a completely fresh installation of 
> Qubes 
> > > OS R4.1 ? 
> > 
> > I've had similar issues: 
> > https://github.com/QubesOS/qubes-issues/issues/7503 
> > 
> > Maybe try some of the ideas suggested there? 
>
> The Python 2 packages should be safe to remove, unless I have missed 
> something. 
>

It's unclear to me, why I should ...

If I would manually delete those packages, would they not get re-installed 
the next day?

Or asked differently:

If they are not needed in R4.1 / Fedora 32 for dom0, why have they been 
included in the first place? 

With kind regards,

Viktor

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Re: [qubes-users] Re: How to check that an 'in-place upgrade' from Qubes R4.0 to R4.1 was successful?

2022-06-02 Thread Viktor Ransmayr
Hello user 'tetrahedras',

tetra...@danwin1210.de schrieb am Donnerstag, 2. Juni 2022 um 00:03:42 
UTC+2:

> On Tue, May 31, 2022 at 11:54:24PM -0700, Viktor Ransmayr wrote: 
> >I've performed the same task today - and - the same 14 packages were 
> >removed again ... 
> > 
> >So it's clear now that something went wrong with my 'in-place upgrade' ! 
> > 
> >Anything that I could try, beside a completely fresh installation of 
> Qubes 
> >OS R4.1 ? 
>
> I've had similar issues: 
> https://github.com/QubesOS/qubes-issues/issues/7503 
>

Thanks for sharing this info! - It does look like my issue is the same / 
very similar ... 
 

> Maybe try some of the ideas suggested there? 
>

Which one? - After reading all comments, I do agree with your last 
statement / summary. - See

* 
https://github.com/QubesOS/qubes-issues/issues/7503#issuecomment-1125152541

As you can see from my Logs: 

* Update VM is 'sys-firewall' -> which is using the 'fedora-34' template

With kind regards,

Viktor

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Re: [qubes-users] Re: How to check that an 'in-place upgrade' from Qubes R4.0 to R4.1 was successful?

2022-06-01 Thread Demi Marie Obenour
On Wed, Jun 01, 2022 at 10:03:14PM +, Qubes OS Users Mailing List wrote:
> On Tue, May 31, 2022 at 11:54:24PM -0700, Viktor Ransmayr wrote:
> > I've performed the same task today - and - the same 14 packages were
> > removed again ...
> > 
> > So it's clear now that something went wrong with my 'in-place upgrade' !
> > 
> > Anything that I could try, beside a completely fresh installation of Qubes
> > OS R4.1 ?
> 
> I've had similar issues:
> https://github.com/QubesOS/qubes-issues/issues/7503
> 
> Maybe try some of the ideas suggested there?

The Python 2 packages should be safe to remove, unless I have missed
something.

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Invisible Things Lab

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Re: [qubes-users] Re: How to check that an 'in-place upgrade' from Qubes R4.0 to R4.1 was successful?

2022-06-01 Thread tetrahedra via qubes-users

On Tue, May 31, 2022 at 11:54:24PM -0700, Viktor Ransmayr wrote:

I've performed the same task today - and - the same 14 packages were
removed again ...

So it's clear now that something went wrong with my 'in-place upgrade' !

Anything that I could try, beside a completely fresh installation of Qubes
OS R4.1 ?


I've had similar issues:
https://github.com/QubesOS/qubes-issues/issues/7503

Maybe try some of the ideas suggested there?

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