Re: [qubes-users] Re: Someone should port this RDP Windows windower thing for Qubes

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Some Reddit users are claiming RDP is working perfectly for them in Qubes: 

https://www.reddit.com/r/Qubes/comments/l1myt8/how_good_is_windows_vm_performance/gk1e15i?utm_source=share_medium=web2x=3

On Tuesday, December 8, 2020 at 5:52:42 AM UTC-6 evado...@gmail.com wrote:

> :-( thanks for your research anyway
>
>> Chances we get seamless windows apps anytime soon are slim.
>>
>

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Re: [qubes-users] Re: Someone should port this RDP Windows windower thing for Qubes

[evado...@gmail.com]

:-( thanks for your research anyway

> Chances we get seamless windows apps anytime soon are slim.
>

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Re: [qubes-users] Re: Someone should port this RDP Windows windower thing for Qubes

[Alex Smirnoff]

Apparently, it is not going to work, too :(

https://github.com/FreeRDP/FreeRDP/issues/6640

Chances we get seamless windows apps anytime soon are slim.

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Re: [qubes-users] Re: Someone should port this RDP Windows windower thing for Qubes

[Alex Smirnoff]

Soo, I gave it a try and guess what? MS Office artifacts are still there, 
with freerdp it is even worse than with native seamless mode. Apparently 
(even if I check "turn hardware graphics acceleration off") Office uses 
some obscure DirectX calls that translate to X11 in very unpleasant way 
that is very unfriendly to window decorator metrics, sloppy focus and 
virtual desktops. I remember I had similar problems with Wine/Crossover as 
well.

https://imgur.com/ff4QoWM

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Re: [qubes-users] Re: Someone should port this RDP Windows windower thing for Qubes

[Alex Smirnoff]

Damn it, this group auto moderation kills messages with imgur hyperlinks on 
spot, however..
I gave it a try and it is even worse. Artifacts of the same origin appear 
on MS Office windows with freerdp just like with seamless mode. Apparently 
it uses some DirectX calls that translate to X11 methods that are extremely 
unfriendly to sensible desktop environment with virtual desktops, sloppy 
focus and custom window decorations.

On Tuesday, December 1, 2020 at 11:10:13 PM UTC+2 Alex Smirnoff wrote:

> From what I remember RDP can handle both.
>
> On Tuesday, December 1, 2020 at 11:00:05 PM UTC+2 evado...@gmail.com 
> wrote:
>
>> very interesting, but if it will be user then need to solve the say 
>> WinVM-to-AppVM file transfers.
>> And not sure about clipboard.
>>
>>
>>

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Re: [qubes-users] Re: Someone should port this RDP Windows windower thing for Qubes

[Alex Smirnoff]

>From what I remember RDP can handle both.

On Tuesday, December 1, 2020 at 11:00:05 PM UTC+2 evado...@gmail.com wrote:

> very interesting, but if it will be user then need to solve the say 
> WinVM-to-AppVM file transfers.
> And not sure about clipboard.
>
>
>

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Re: [qubes-users] Re: Someone should port this RDP Windows windower thing for Qubes

[evado...@gmail.com]

very interesting, but if it will be user then need to solve the say 
WinVM-to-AppVM file transfers.
And not sure about clipboard.

вторник, 1 декабря 2020 г. в 13:52:03 UTC, Stumpy: 

> On 12/1/20 8:47 AM, Alex Smirnoff wrote:
> > It would be an ideal solution for me. And should not be very hard. What 
> > rdp client are they based on?
> > 
> > On Tuesday, December 1, 2020 at 1:57:50 AM UTC+2 Guerlan wrote:
> > 
> > 
> > This project:
> > https://github.com/Fmstrat/winapps/
> > 
> > does what Qubes do to Linux and Windows 7, but to Windows 10 on KVM,
> > by using RDP. Not the best approach but no one is working on the
> > Windows 10 port of the windowing thing. Maybe some people could work
> > on porting this to Qubes, and maybe some prople from Qubes could
> > direct funds to this.
> > I even opened an issue about this:
> > https://github.com/Fmstrat/winapps/issues/112
> > 
> > I miss using Windows properly when I work on Qubes.
> > Would be nice if people from here could make some noise there to
> > bring attention :)
> > 
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> Indeed does look quite intereseting, currently I run a separate machine 
> and have an appvm where I rdp to my remote win10 setup... but this would 
> be much less wonky than what I have
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Re: [qubes-users] Re: Someone should port this RDP Windows windower thing for Qubes

[Stumpy]

On 12/1/20 8:47 AM, Alex Smirnoff wrote:
It would be an ideal solution for me. And should not be very hard. What 
rdp client are they based on?


On Tuesday, December 1, 2020 at 1:57:50 AM UTC+2 Guerlan wrote:


This project:
https://github.com/Fmstrat/winapps/

does what Qubes do to Linux and Windows 7, but to Windows 10 on KVM,
by using RDP. Not the best approach but no one is working on the
Windows 10 port of the windowing thing. Maybe some people could work
on porting this to Qubes, and maybe some prople from Qubes could
direct funds to this.
I even opened an issue about this:
https://github.com/Fmstrat/winapps/issues/112

I miss using Windows properly when I work on Qubes.
Would be nice if people from here could make some noise there to
bring attention :)

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Indeed does look quite intereseting, currently I run a separate machine 
and have an appvm where I rdp to my remote win10 setup... but this would 
be much less wonky than what I have


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