Re: [qubes-users] Re: Trying to install Ubuntu as HVM can't restart
On Wed, Feb 21, 2018 at 03:33:22PM -0800, snowboard...@gmail.com wrote: > On Monday, February 19, 2018 at 5:18:33 PM UTC+1, Unman wrote: > > On Mon, Feb 19, 2018 at 05:44:44AM -0800, snowboard...@gmail.com wrote: > > > On Monday, February 19, 2018 at 2:36:08 PM UTC+1, Yuraeitha wrote: > > > > On Monday, February 19, 2018 at 1:20:24 PM UTC+1, snowbo...@gmail.com > > > > wrote: > > > > > I feel like a total idiot here but here is what I am doing: > > > > > > > > > > 1) I make an HVM (tried both normal and template) and then assign > > > > > more disk space to it. > > > > > 2) I download the ubuntu iso file for desktop. > > > > > 3) I run qvm-start ubuntu --cdrom=vmpath:/home/user/downloads/xxx.iso > > > > > 4) I run the installation that surprisingly finishes ultra fast. > > > > > There are two disks one is xvda and xvdb. The first has the space > > > > > that VM has for "personal usage" and the second for "system". I tried > > > > > installing on both with same result. > > > > > 5) As the installation finishes when I shutdown the machine it > > > > > doesn't shutdown. A black window keeps on. Then I kill it with > > > > > Qubes-manager. > > > > > 6) after that it doesn't start. It says booting from hard drive but > > > > > nothing happens. > > > > > > > > > > I tried many times. What am I doing wrong? > > > > > > > > > > thanks in advance > > > > > > > > Don't label yourself as an idiot. Although I'm not an expert, but your > > > > logical approach seems pretty good to me, you try to find the reason > > > > and logic behind it. No matter what, trying to solve it is a good > > > > logical quality. > > > > > > > > As for why it doesn't work, it seems like a driver issue for graphics? > > > > You could try change the AppVM's grub menu, and put a different graphic > > > > driver, xdriver=vesa, nomodeset, or something along those lines. Vast > > > > topics can be found on this issue, now that you can suspect graphiic > > > > issues, you can more easily find these topics to try troubleshoot it if > > > > neither commands above work. > > > > > > > > You can also try change the used kernel to '' blank, since Ubuntu > > > > custom install without Qubes code, probably has no means to use its own > > > > kernel pulled from dom0 kernels, and the Ubuntu kernel may try to boot > > > > up while the VM kernel's located in dom0. As such, there may be a > > > > conflict here? I'm not sure if this is what is happening, but you can > > > > try put the qvm-prefs for the kernel in blank, install again and see > > > > what happens, it should allow Ubuntu to use its own kernel, I believe. > > > > > > > > btw, for what purposes are you getting Ubuntu? By any chance is it > > > > codecs? are the other reasons? It may be more efficient to fix up > > > > Fedora or Debian, instead of getting Ubuntu up and running. It's just > > > > that there are so many Ubuntu questions lately, I'm a bit lost as to > > > > why people would want Ubuntu if they installed Qubes OS. Qubes OS is a > > > > bit of a leap to jump from Ubuntu, Debian or Fedora isn't that bad for > > > > next steps after Ubuntu, but Qubes OS may be a bit of a leap in its > > > > current state. > > > > > > > > The only real nice thing is the ease to install nvidia drivers, but > > > > that is hardly something you will end up needing in Qubes anyway. Can I > > > > ask what you need Ubuntu for? and perhaps if you desire to give it a > > > > shot for an alternative, and try Fedora and Debian to get the tasks > > > > done you usually do on Ubuntu? If you still feel like going for Ubuntu, > > > > then that's fine, I won't get in the way for that. > > > > > > > > As such, if keeping Ubuntu, fixing graphic drivers may be a good place > > > > to start here? > > > > > > Hi thanks I will try that. I am using Ubuntu because Debian 8 is such a > > > pain when installing new software. You need to enable testing and > > > unstable repos and then you end up with a mixed system then things break > > > down etc. Ubuntu 16 is for sure compatible with most software oob for the > > > next 2 years. > > > > > > > Can you try again, just installing to the first disk?(xvda) > > Also, make sure that you have enough memory allocated: > > qvm-prefs -s memory 8192 > > qvm-prefs -s maxmem 8192 > > > > You're doing the right thing, and as you can boot from the iso all > > should be fine. There are issues with Ubuntu resolution when running as > > VM - you can see reference to this in the list in the past. Changing > > graphics drivers wont help with that issue. > > want to report that I found the problem. it was encrypted home folder. > unchecked works ok. not sure if i should post it on github. > I doubt this is the cause, because I have HVMs with encrypted home folders and they start fine.(For me this works installing to xvda.) I dont think a github issue would be appropriate. Anyway, glad you are up and running. -- You received this message
Re: [qubes-users] Re: Trying to install Ubuntu as HVM can't restart
On Monday, February 19, 2018 at 5:18:33 PM UTC+1, Unman wrote: > On Mon, Feb 19, 2018 at 05:44:44AM -0800, snowboard...@gmail.com wrote: > > On Monday, February 19, 2018 at 2:36:08 PM UTC+1, Yuraeitha wrote: > > > On Monday, February 19, 2018 at 1:20:24 PM UTC+1, snowbo...@gmail.com > > > wrote: > > > > I feel like a total idiot here but here is what I am doing: > > > > > > > > 1) I make an HVM (tried both normal and template) and then assign more > > > > disk space to it. > > > > 2) I download the ubuntu iso file for desktop. > > > > 3) I run qvm-start ubuntu --cdrom=vmpath:/home/user/downloads/xxx.iso > > > > 4) I run the installation that surprisingly finishes ultra fast. There > > > > are two disks one is xvda and xvdb. The first has the space that VM has > > > > for "personal usage" and the second for "system". I tried installing on > > > > both with same result. > > > > 5) As the installation finishes when I shutdown the machine it doesn't > > > > shutdown. A black window keeps on. Then I kill it with Qubes-manager. > > > > 6) after that it doesn't start. It says booting from hard drive but > > > > nothing happens. > > > > > > > > I tried many times. What am I doing wrong? > > > > > > > > thanks in advance > > > > > > Don't label yourself as an idiot. Although I'm not an expert, but your > > > logical approach seems pretty good to me, you try to find the reason and > > > logic behind it. No matter what, trying to solve it is a good logical > > > quality. > > > > > > As for why it doesn't work, it seems like a driver issue for graphics? > > > You could try change the AppVM's grub menu, and put a different graphic > > > driver, xdriver=vesa, nomodeset, or something along those lines. Vast > > > topics can be found on this issue, now that you can suspect graphiic > > > issues, you can more easily find these topics to try troubleshoot it if > > > neither commands above work. > > > > > > You can also try change the used kernel to '' blank, since Ubuntu custom > > > install without Qubes code, probably has no means to use its own kernel > > > pulled from dom0 kernels, and the Ubuntu kernel may try to boot up while > > > the VM kernel's located in dom0. As such, there may be a conflict here? > > > I'm not sure if this is what is happening, but you can try put the > > > qvm-prefs for the kernel in blank, install again and see what happens, it > > > should allow Ubuntu to use its own kernel, I believe. > > > > > > btw, for what purposes are you getting Ubuntu? By any chance is it > > > codecs? are the other reasons? It may be more efficient to fix up Fedora > > > or Debian, instead of getting Ubuntu up and running. It's just that there > > > are so many Ubuntu questions lately, I'm a bit lost as to why people > > > would want Ubuntu if they installed Qubes OS. Qubes OS is a bit of a leap > > > to jump from Ubuntu, Debian or Fedora isn't that bad for next steps after > > > Ubuntu, but Qubes OS may be a bit of a leap in its current state. > > > > > > The only real nice thing is the ease to install nvidia drivers, but that > > > is hardly something you will end up needing in Qubes anyway. Can I ask > > > what you need Ubuntu for? and perhaps if you desire to give it a shot for > > > an alternative, and try Fedora and Debian to get the tasks done you > > > usually do on Ubuntu? If you still feel like going for Ubuntu, then > > > that's fine, I won't get in the way for that. > > > > > > As such, if keeping Ubuntu, fixing graphic drivers may be a good place to > > > start here? > > > > Hi thanks I will try that. I am using Ubuntu because Debian 8 is such a > > pain when installing new software. You need to enable testing and unstable > > repos and then you end up with a mixed system then things break down etc. > > Ubuntu 16 is for sure compatible with most software oob for the next 2 > > years. > > > > Can you try again, just installing to the first disk?(xvda) > Also, make sure that you have enough memory allocated: > qvm-prefs -s memory 8192 > qvm-prefs -s maxmem 8192 > > You're doing the right thing, and as you can boot from the iso all > should be fine. There are issues with Ubuntu resolution when running as > VM - you can see reference to this in the list in the past. Changing > graphics drivers wont help with that issue. want to report that I found the problem. it was encrypted home folder. unchecked works ok. not sure if i should post it on github. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "qubes-users" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to qubes-users+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to qubes-users@googlegroups.com. To view this discussion on the web visit https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/qubes-users/5755b7c9-7423-428c-b0eb-ba8e388d6b8a%40googlegroups.com. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
Re: [qubes-users] Re: Trying to install Ubuntu as HVM can't restart
On Mon, Feb 19, 2018 at 05:44:44AM -0800, snowboard...@gmail.com wrote: > On Monday, February 19, 2018 at 2:36:08 PM UTC+1, Yuraeitha wrote: > > On Monday, February 19, 2018 at 1:20:24 PM UTC+1, snowbo...@gmail.com wrote: > > > I feel like a total idiot here but here is what I am doing: > > > > > > 1) I make an HVM (tried both normal and template) and then assign more > > > disk space to it. > > > 2) I download the ubuntu iso file for desktop. > > > 3) I run qvm-start ubuntu --cdrom=vmpath:/home/user/downloads/xxx.iso > > > 4) I run the installation that surprisingly finishes ultra fast. There > > > are two disks one is xvda and xvdb. The first has the space that VM has > > > for "personal usage" and the second for "system". I tried installing on > > > both with same result. > > > 5) As the installation finishes when I shutdown the machine it doesn't > > > shutdown. A black window keeps on. Then I kill it with Qubes-manager. > > > 6) after that it doesn't start. It says booting from hard drive but > > > nothing happens. > > > > > > I tried many times. What am I doing wrong? > > > > > > thanks in advance > > > > Don't label yourself as an idiot. Although I'm not an expert, but your > > logical approach seems pretty good to me, you try to find the reason and > > logic behind it. No matter what, trying to solve it is a good logical > > quality. > > > > As for why it doesn't work, it seems like a driver issue for graphics? You > > could try change the AppVM's grub menu, and put a different graphic driver, > > xdriver=vesa, nomodeset, or something along those lines. Vast topics can be > > found on this issue, now that you can suspect graphiic issues, you can more > > easily find these topics to try troubleshoot it if neither commands above > > work. > > > > You can also try change the used kernel to '' blank, since Ubuntu custom > > install without Qubes code, probably has no means to use its own kernel > > pulled from dom0 kernels, and the Ubuntu kernel may try to boot up while > > the VM kernel's located in dom0. As such, there may be a conflict here? I'm > > not sure if this is what is happening, but you can try put the qvm-prefs > > for the kernel in blank, install again and see what happens, it should > > allow Ubuntu to use its own kernel, I believe. > > > > btw, for what purposes are you getting Ubuntu? By any chance is it codecs? > > are the other reasons? It may be more efficient to fix up Fedora or Debian, > > instead of getting Ubuntu up and running. It's just that there are so many > > Ubuntu questions lately, I'm a bit lost as to why people would want Ubuntu > > if they installed Qubes OS. Qubes OS is a bit of a leap to jump from > > Ubuntu, Debian or Fedora isn't that bad for next steps after Ubuntu, but > > Qubes OS may be a bit of a leap in its current state. > > > > The only real nice thing is the ease to install nvidia drivers, but that is > > hardly something you will end up needing in Qubes anyway. Can I ask what > > you need Ubuntu for? and perhaps if you desire to give it a shot for an > > alternative, and try Fedora and Debian to get the tasks done you usually do > > on Ubuntu? If you still feel like going for Ubuntu, then that's fine, I > > won't get in the way for that. > > > > As such, if keeping Ubuntu, fixing graphic drivers may be a good place to > > start here? > > Hi thanks I will try that. I am using Ubuntu because Debian 8 is such a pain > when installing new software. You need to enable testing and unstable repos > and then you end up with a mixed system then things break down etc. Ubuntu 16 > is for sure compatible with most software oob for the next 2 years. > Can you try again, just installing to the first disk?(xvda) Also, make sure that you have enough memory allocated: qvm-prefs -s memory 8192 qvm-prefs -s maxmem 8192 You're doing the right thing, and as you can boot from the iso all should be fine. There are issues with Ubuntu resolution when running as VM - you can see reference to this in the list in the past. Changing graphics drivers wont help with that issue. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "qubes-users" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to qubes-users+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to qubes-users@googlegroups.com. To view this discussion on the web visit https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/qubes-users/20180219161826.zizubfyve5h2tiat%40thirdeyesecurity.org. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
