Re: [ntp:questions] Accuracy of NTP - Advice Needed

2011-12-23 Thread Terje Mathisen
Richard B. Gilbert wrote: On 12/22/2011 9:17 PM, Chris Adams wrote: The securities traders (especially HFT) want it. I suspect the OP is in that group. That level of timekeeping has been discussed here before. I think that the radio astronomers are some of the most demanding. They need far

Re: [ntp:questions] ntp server pool advice

2011-12-23 Thread Terje Mathisen
ben slimup wrote: thanks all, let s say, i have one site in california and another one in new york. all clients are independent to each other and connected to adsl. all clients are spread out all over the internet. six ntp servers are located in each site ( CA and NY) and need to connect

Re: [ntp:questions] Accuracy of NTP - Advice Needed

2011-12-23 Thread Terje Mathisen
Paul Sobey wrote: Our internal testing to this point is that a stock ntpd pointed against a stratum 1 clock on a low contention gigabit ethernet (stratum 1 source and client less than 1ms apart) reports its own accuracy at approx 200 microseconds. Further tuning the ntp config by adding the

Re: [ntp:questions] Accuracy of NTP - Advice Needed

2011-12-23 Thread Paul Sobey
Paul Sobey wrote: Our internal testing to this point is that a stock ntpd pointed against a stratum 1 clock on a low contention gigabit ethernet (stratum 1 source and client less than 1ms apart) reports its own accuracy at approx 200 microseconds. Further tuning the ntp config by adding the

Re: [ntp:questions] Accuracy of NTP - Advice Needed

2011-12-23 Thread Paul Sobey
I hear from many vendors and industry colleagues that 'ntp just isn't suitable for high precision work and anything less than 1-2ms precision requires ptp or direct connection to gps clock'. I find these numbers For microsecond accuracy, I would say that NTP needs direct (PPS) connection

Re: [ntp:questions] Accuracy of NTP - Advice Needed

2011-12-23 Thread Paul Sobey
What OS are your hosts running? If it's Windows, millisecond, not microsecond accuracy will be what you can get at best when syncing over the network. A mixture of linux flavours and solaris. For the linux hosts I have a little more control over which version of ntpd I deploy. For the

Re: [ntp:questions] Accuracy of NTP - Advice Needed

2011-12-23 Thread David J Taylor
What OS are your hosts running? If it's Windows, millisecond, not microsecond accuracy will be what you can get at best when syncing over the network. A mixture of linux flavours and solaris. For the linux hosts I have a little more control over which version of ntpd I deploy. For the

Re: [ntp:questions] Accuracy of NTP - Advice Needed

2011-12-23 Thread unruh
On 2011-12-23, Paul Sobey bud...@the-annexe.net wrote: I hear from many vendors and industry colleagues that 'ntp just isn't suitable for high precision work and anything less than 1-2ms precision requires ptp or direct connection to gps clock'. I find these numbers For microsecond

Re: [ntp:questions] Accuracy of NTP - Advice Needed

2011-12-23 Thread Terje Mathisen
Paul Sobey wrote: Gbit and low jitter is not quite compatible: 100 Mbit switches were using cut-through, while (afaik) all Gbit and up switches use store forward, leading to higher latency and jitter. There are several varieties of cut-through gig/10GB switch available now - but noting that

Re: [ntp:questions] Accuracy of NTP - Advice Needed

2011-12-23 Thread Dave Hart
On Fri, Dec 23, 2011 at 17:02, Terje Mathisen terje.mathisen at tmsw.no@ntp.org wrote: A fast system time query will load the time as of the last hw clock tick, along with the corresponding RDTSC (or similar, constant-rate highres clock source), load the current RDTSC value, then re-read the OS

Re: [ntp:questions] Accuracy of NTP - Advice Needed

2011-12-23 Thread Chris Albertson
I see a common misconception here. Most of the concepts about NTP can be explained using a common wristwatch. One is that more frequent checking to a standard keeps the time closer to the standard. That would be true only if you set your watch to match the standard each time. NTP does not do

Re: [ntp:questions] Accuracy of NTP - Advice Needed

2011-12-23 Thread Chris Albertson
On Fri, Dec 23, 2011 at 2:09 AM, Terje Mathisen terje.mathisen at tmsw.no@ntp.org wrote: The best (and probably only possible) solution that does give you single-digit us is to route a PPS signal to each and every server, then use the network for approximate (~100 us) timing, with the PPS

Re: [ntp:questions] Accuracy of NTP - Advice Needed

2011-12-23 Thread Richard B. Gilbert
On 12/22/2011 11:35 PM, unruh wrote: On 2011-12-23, Richard B. Gilbertrgilber...@comcast.net wrote: On 12/22/2011 2:11 PM, Paul Sobey wrote: Dear All, I work for a firm which requires clocks to be synchronised to quite a high degree of accuracy. We have an existing ntp-based infrastructure

Re: [ntp:questions] Accuracy of NTP - Advice Needed

2011-12-23 Thread Mark C. Stephens
Hi Paul, This is probably going further up the track for you, however, with the HP c class blades you can use a PCI expansion blade with a serial IO card in it. The downside is that the expansion blade takes up one bay (to the left of a half-height blade, or bottom left slot next to a full

Re: [ntp:questions] Accuracy of NTP - Advice Needed

2011-12-23 Thread John Hasler
Richard B. Gilbert wrote: How do you tag a neutrino so that you can say with assurance that the the neutrino that left Cern is the same neutrino that arrives at Sasso? Jim Pennino writes: By sending them in a pulse of a known width. It should be noted, however, that you cannot observe the

Re: [ntp:questions] Accuracy of NTP - Advice Needed

2011-12-23 Thread jimp
John Hasler jhas...@newsguy.com wrote: Richard B. Gilbert wrote: How do you tag a neutrino so that you can say with assurance that the the neutrino that left Cern is the same neutrino that arrives at Sasso? Jim Pennino writes: By sending them in a pulse of a known width. It should be

Re: [ntp:questions] Accuracy of NTP - Advice Needed

2011-12-23 Thread Mike S
At 01:58 PM 12/23/2011, Chris Albertson wrote... But there is no hop of doing uS level over the gigabit either net. IEEE 1588. ___ questions mailing list questions@lists.ntp.org http://lists.ntp.org/listinfo/questions

Re: [ntp:questions] Accuracy of NTP - Advice Needed

2011-12-23 Thread Greg Hennessy
On 2011-12-23, John Hasler jhas...@newsguy.com wrote: An upcoming experiment at Fermilab will observe neutrinos at both ends (the far end will be in Minnesota). But not the same neutrino, since you can only detect the neutrino after it has collided with something else.

Re: [ntp:questions] Accuracy of NTP - Advice Needed

2011-12-23 Thread Chris Albertson
On Fri, Dec 23, 2011 at 5:51 PM, Mike S mi...@flatsurface.com wrote: At 01:58 PM 12/23/2011, Chris Albertson wrote... But there is no hop of doing uS level over the gigabit either net. IEEE 1588. Seem 1588 can work at the sub uS level but actual real-work software on Linux works at the

Re: [ntp:questions] Accuracy of NTP - Advice Needed

2011-12-23 Thread unruh
On 2011-12-23, John Hasler jhas...@newsguy.com wrote: Richard B. Gilbert wrote: How do you tag a neutrino so that you can say with assurance that the the neutrino that left Cern is the same neutrino that arrives at Sasso? Jim Pennino writes: By sending them in a pulse of a known width. It

Re: [ntp:questions] Accuracy of NTP - Advice Needed

2011-12-23 Thread unruh
On 2011-12-23, Richard B. Gilbert rgilber...@comcast.net wrote: On 12/22/2011 11:35 PM, unruh wrote: On 2011-12-23, Richard B. Gilbertrgilber...@comcast.net wrote: On 12/22/2011 2:11 PM, Paul Sobey wrote: Dear All, I work for a firm which requires clocks to be synchronised to quite a high

Re: [ntp:questions] Accuracy of NTP - Advice Needed

2011-12-23 Thread Dennis Ferguson
On 23 Dec, 2011, at 22:47 , Paul Sobey wrote: I appreciate these may appear to be silly questions with obvious answers - I am grateful in advance for your patience, and any research sources you may direct me to. The best (and probably only possible) solution that does give you

Re: [ntp:questions] Accuracy of NTP - Advice Needed

2011-12-23 Thread unruh
On 2011-12-24, Chris Albertson albertson.ch...@gmail.com wrote: On Fri, Dec 23, 2011 at 5:51 PM, Mike S mi...@flatsurface.com wrote: At 01:58 PM 12/23/2011, Chris Albertson wrote... But there is no hop of doing uS level over the gigabit either net. IEEE 1588. Seem 1588 can work at the

Re: [ntp:questions] Accuracy of NTP - Advice Needed

2011-12-23 Thread Chris Albertson
On Fri, Dec 23, 2011 at 10:06 PM, unruh un...@invalid.ca wrote: If you really go to  stamping the interrupt directly as it comes in on the kernel level, rather than waiting for a driver (eg the serial driver) to report that the itnerrupt has occured to userland, you can get it down to 1-2us.