Re: [ntp:questions] Offset Average (Normal)?

2012-03-13 Thread David J Taylor
Alby VA alb...@empire.org wrote in message news:66d5d8bc-f063-4f3e-a6d8-676a9b045...@w1g2000vbx.googlegroups.com... [] The Stratum 0 devices is SureGPS and its running on FreeBSD as the OS and AMD for the chip. FreeBSD godzilla.empire.org 9.0-RELEASE FreeBSD 9.0-RELEASE #0: Tue Feb 21

Re: [ntp:questions] Offset Average (Normal)?

2012-03-13 Thread David J Taylor
Alby VA alb...@empire.org wrote in message news:7824f31d-b72c-44eb-9eeb-b219a7543...@gr6g2000vbb.googlegroups.com... [] ntp2.usno.navy. .USNO. 1 u 11h 1280 21.392 11.022 0.000 -ntp0.usno.navy. .USNO. 1 u 512 128 370 25.747 -0.242 3.378 +ntp1.usno.navy.

[ntp:questions] Windows ntpd April Fool's bug when using leapfile

2012-03-13 Thread Dave Hart
There is a bug in scheduling a leap second more than 3 months in advance specific to the Windows port of ntpd, introduced sometime after 4.2.4. It results in scheduling a spurious leap second insertion for midnight April 1, 2012 if a correct leapfile is loaded (scheduling the July 1, 2012 leap

Re: [ntp:questions] Offset Average (Normal)?

2012-03-13 Thread Alby VA
On Mar 13, 1:54 am, David J Taylor david- tay...@blueyonder.co.uk.invalid wrote: As Chris commented, you should maybe be using a single driver - here's mine for a GPS 18 LVC (which should be similar apart from the baud rate): Thanks. I'm going with the following ntp.conf setup and will let

Re: [ntp:questions] Offset Average (Normal)?

2012-03-13 Thread Alby VA
On Mar 13, 7:02 am, Alby VA alb...@empire.org wrote: On Mar 13, 1:54 am, David J Taylor david- tay...@blueyonder.co.uk.invalid wrote: As Chris commented, you should maybe be using a single driver - here's mine for a GPS 18 LVC (which should be similar apart from the baud rate):  Thanks.

Re: [ntp:questions] Offset Average (Normal)?

2012-03-13 Thread David Lord
David J Taylor wrote: Alby VA alb...@empire.org wrote in message news:7824f31d-b72c-44eb-9eeb-b219a7543...@gr6g2000vbb.googlegroups.com... [] ntp2.usno.navy. .USNO. 1 u 11h 1280 21.392 11.022 0.000 -ntp0.usno.navy. .USNO. 1 u 512 128 370 25.747 -0.242

Re: [ntp:questions] Offset Average (Normal)?

2012-03-13 Thread Alby VA
On Mar 13, 8:27 am, David Lord sn...@lordynet.org wrote: David J Taylor wrote: Alby VA alb...@empire.org wrote in message news:7824f31d-b72c-44eb-9eeb-b219a7543...@gr6g2000vbb.googlegroups.com [] ntp2.usno.navy. .USNO.           1 u  11h  128    0   21.392 11.022   0.000

Re: [ntp:questions] Offset Average (Normal)?

2012-03-13 Thread David Lord
Alby VA wrote: On Mar 13, 8:27 am, David Lord sn...@lordynet.org wrote: . I've not noticed any significant difference after swapping to use only NMEA driver as from March 2, 2012. Also version of ntpd I was using in 2008/2009 didn't have nmea driver with support for PPS. NetBSD-5

Re: [ntp:questions] Offset Average (Normal)?

2012-03-13 Thread Alby VA
On Mar 13, 9:59 am, David Lord sn...@lordynet.org wrote: That seems to be working ok. The NMEA sentences aren't being reported because PPS is being used to condition the system clock. David Okay. My whole understanding of NTP and Clocks is now becoming clearer. My apologies, I'm still a

Re: [ntp:questions] Offset Average (Normal)?

2012-03-13 Thread Ron Frazier (NTP)
On 3/13/2012 10:21 AM, Alby VA wrote: On Mar 13, 9:59 am, David Lordsn...@lordynet.org wrote: That seems to be working ok. The NMEA sentences aren't being reported because PPS is being used to condition the system clock. David Okay. My whole understanding of NTP and Clocks is

Re: [ntp:questions] Offset Average (Normal)?

2012-03-13 Thread David J Taylor
Okay. My whole understanding of NTP and Clocks is now becoming clearer. My apologies, I'm still a n00b. So what you are saying is the GPS time via the SureGPS device is now being ignored and the time of my machine is now being held in check by the PPS signal? If yes, does that mean seeing

Re: [ntp:questions] Offset Average (Normal)?

2012-03-13 Thread David Lord
Alby VA wrote: On Mar 13, 9:59 am, David Lord sn...@lordynet.org wrote: That seems to be working ok. The NMEA sentences aren't being reported because PPS is being used to condition the system clock. David Okay. My whole understanding of NTP and Clocks is now becoming clearer. My

[ntp:questions] ARRGH!!! I woke up to a 50 SECOND clock error.

2012-03-13 Thread Ron Frazier (NTP)
/loopstats.20120313-1-restart%20around%201350%20utc http://dl.dropbox.com/u/9879631/peerstats.20120313-1-insane Here is my current ntp.conf: http://dl.dropbox.com/u/9879631/ntp.conf My system is Windows 7, NTP 4.2.7p259, GPS GlobalSat BU-353 USB NMEA only with GPGGA sentence at 57,600 baud. If anyone

Re: [ntp:questions] Offset Average (Normal)?

2012-03-13 Thread Alby VA
On Mar 13, 12:05 pm, David Lord sn...@lordynet.org wrote: Alby VA wrote: On Mar 13, 9:59 am, David Lord sn...@lordynet.org wrote: That seems to be working ok. The NMEA sentences aren't being reported because PPS is being used to condition the system clock. David  Okay. My whole

Re: [ntp:questions] ARRGH!!! I woke up to a 50 SECOND clock error.

2012-03-13 Thread David J Taylor
Hi all, I just woke up to a 50 SECOND clock error. Prior to the error, with my PC locked into the GPS and the internet servers noselected, here's what my peerstats looked like. Baseline is the GPS. Colored lines are internet servers. [] My system is Windows 7, NTP 4.2.7p259, GPS

Re: [ntp:questions] ARRGH!!! I woke up to a 50 SECOND clock error.

2012-03-13 Thread Chris Albertson
On Tue, Mar 13, 2012 at 9:52 AM, Ron Frazier (NTP) timekeepingntpl...@c3energy.com wrote: Hi all, I just woke up to a 50 SECOND clock error.  Prior to the error, with my PC locked into the GPS and the internet servers noselected, here's what my peerstats looked like.  Baseline is the GPS.  

Re: [ntp:questions] ARRGH!!! I woke up to a 50 SECOND clock error.

2012-03-13 Thread David J Taylor
Ron Frazier (NTP) timekeepingntpl...@c3energy.com wrote in message news:4f5f9233.1080...@c3energy.com... [] The question is, what reset my clock abruptly 50 seconds off at around 0637 UTC. I would suspect your GPS. My loopstats file shows that the GPS was humming along quite nicely at

Re: [ntp:questions] Offset Average (Normal)?

2012-03-13 Thread David J Taylor
Alby VA alb...@empire.org wrote in message news:b976300b-ff38-42e9-bf35-f24affa6c...@9g2000pbn.googlegroups.com... [] I have the perl script of your tool for MRTG, but I assume you are asking about getting more detail from offset=0.000 when it runs (ntpq -c rv)? Maybe a few more decimal places?

Re: [ntp:questions] ARRGH!!! I woke up to a 50 SECOND clock error.

2012-03-13 Thread E-Mail Sent to this address will be added to the BlackLists
Ron Frazier (NTP) wrote: I put the following in ntp.conf to allow the clock to coast in local mode if the GPS goes insane. # Allow system to coast on local clock if GPS is insane server 127.127.1.1 minpoll 3 maxpoll 6 # LCL, local clock fudge 127.127.1.1 stratum 12 # increase

Re: [ntp:questions] Offset Average (Normal)?

2012-03-13 Thread Alby VA
On Mar 13, 4:33 pm, David J Taylor david- tay...@blueyonder.co.uk.invalid wrote: Commenting that integer microseconds are not really enough precision for what you are now trying to plot, and hoping that someone more knowledgeable than me will tell us what command to use to get a more precise

Re: [ntp:questions] ARRGH!!! I woke up to a 50 SECOND clock error.

2012-03-13 Thread Ron Frazier (NTP)
On 3/13/2012 4:27 PM, David J Taylor wrote: Ron Frazier (NTP) timekeepingntpl...@c3energy.com wrote in message news:4f5f9233.1080...@c3energy.com... [] The question is, what reset my clock abruptly 50 seconds off at around 0637 UTC. I would suspect your GPS. My loopstats file shows that

Re: [ntp:questions] ARRGH!!! I woke up to a 50 SECOND clock error.

2012-03-13 Thread David Lord
Ron Frazier (NTP) wrote: On 3/13/2012 2:40 PM, Chris Albertson wrote: On Tue, Mar 13, 2012 at 9:52 AM, Ron Frazier (NTP) timekeepingntpl...@c3energy.com wrote: Hi all, I just woke up to a 50 SECOND clock error. Prior to the error, with my PC locked into the GPS and the internet servers

Re: [ntp:questions] ARRGH!!! I woke up to a 50 SECOND clock error.

2012-03-13 Thread Ron Frazier (NTP)
On 3/13/2012 5:01 PM, E-Mail Sent to this address will be added to the BlackLists wrote: Ron Frazier (NTP) wrote: I put the following in ntp.conf to allow the clock to coast in local mode if the GPS goes insane. # Allow system to coast on local clock if GPS is insane server 127.127.1.1

Re: [ntp:questions] ARRGH!!! I woke up to a 50 SECOND clock error.

2012-03-13 Thread Ron Frazier (NTP)
On 3/13/2012 5:39 PM, David Lord wrote: Ron Frazier (NTP) wrote: On 3/13/2012 2:40 PM, Chris Albertson wrote: On Tue, Mar 13, 2012 at 9:52 AM, Ron Frazier (NTP) timekeepingntpl...@c3energy.com wrote: Hi all, I just woke up to a 50 SECOND clock error. Prior to the error, with my PC locked

Re: [ntp:questions] ARRGH!!! I woke up to a 50 SECOND clock error.

2012-03-13 Thread Chuck Swiger
On Mar 13, 2012, at 3:19 PM, Ron Frazier (NTP) wrote: At that time, I had the GPS as the only selectable clock, for testing. I'm monitoring the internet servers for comparison. I've since selected 1 NIST server as the preferred and only selectable clock, and am monitoring the GPS and

Re: [ntp:questions] ARRGH!!! I woke up to a 50 SECOND clock error.

2012-03-13 Thread Ron Frazier (NTP)
On 3/13/2012 6:42 PM, Chuck Swiger wrote: On Mar 13, 2012, at 3:19 PM, Ron Frazier (NTP) wrote: At that time, I had the GPS as the only selectable clock, for testing. I'm monitoring the internet servers for comparison. I've since selected 1 NIST server as the preferred and only

Re: [ntp:questions] ARRGH!!! I woke up to a 50 SECOND clock error.

2012-03-13 Thread Chuck Swiger
On Mar 13, 2012, at 4:08 PM, Ron Frazier (NTP) wrote: I was speculating that perhaps my only selectable clock, the GPS, failed, and that something went nuts, and that's why I found the clock 50 seconds off this morning. However, I don't have any evidence of a GPS failure. In any case, I

Re: [ntp:questions] ARRGH!!! I woke up to a 50 SECOND clock error.

2012-03-13 Thread Ron Frazier (NTP)
On 3/13/2012 7:24 PM, Chuck Swiger wrote: On Mar 13, 2012, at 4:08 PM, Ron Frazier (NTP) wrote: I was speculating that perhaps my only selectable clock, the GPS, failed, and that something went nuts, and that's why I found the clock 50 seconds off this morning. However, I don't have any

Re: [ntp:questions] ARRGH!!! I woke up to a 50 SECOND clock error.

2012-03-13 Thread Chuck Swiger
On Mar 13, 2012, at 5:05 PM, Ron Frazier (NTP) wrote: I don't have PPS on this computer. It has no serial port. When I get my Sure board, assuming I can solder it without killing it, I'm going to try bringing the PPS signal through a Prolific chipset based serial - USB converter which is

Re: [ntp:questions] ARRGH!!! I woke up to a 50 SECOND clock error.

2012-03-13 Thread unruh
://dl.dropbox.com/u/9879631/loopstats.20120313-1-restart%20around%201350%20utc http://dl.dropbox.com/u/9879631/peerstats.20120313-1-insane Here is my current ntp.conf: http://dl.dropbox.com/u/9879631/ntp.conf My system is Windows 7, NTP 4.2.7p259, GPS GlobalSat BU-353 USB NMEA only with GPGGA sentence

Re: [ntp:questions] ARRGH!!! I woke up to a 50 SECOND clock error.

2012-03-13 Thread Ron Frazier (NTP)
On 3/13/2012 10:05 PM, unruh wrote: On 2012-03-13, Ron Frazier (NTP)timekeepingntpl...@c3energy.com wrote: Hi all, I just woke up to a 50 SECOND clock error. Prior to the error, with my PC locked into the GPS and the internet servers noselected, here's what my peerstats looked like.

Re: [ntp:questions] ARRGH!!! I woke up to a 50 SECOND clock error.

2012-03-13 Thread Ron Frazier (NTP)
On 3/13/2012 10:28 PM, Ron Frazier (NTP) wrote: On 3/13/2012 10:05 PM, unruh wrote: On 2012-03-13, Ron Frazier (NTP)timekeepingntpl...@c3energy.com wrote: Hi all, I just woke up to a 50 SECOND clock error. Prior to the error, with my PC locked into the GPS and the internet servers