Re: [ntp:questions] PSYCHO PC clock is advancing at 2 HR per second

2012-03-23 Thread Terje Mathisen
unruh wrote: No I would not. That is not what ntpd does. It really does throw away 7 of the samples and never uses them. The whole question is what is the best statistic to use. I do not believe that the shortest roundtrip time is that best statistic. If you could convince me it is, I would be

Re: [ntp:questions] PSYCHO PC clock is advancing at 2 HR per second

2012-03-23 Thread Miroslav Lichvar
On Fri, Mar 23, 2012 at 11:49:19AM +0100, Terje Mathisen wrote: unruh wrote: No I would not. That is not what ntpd does. It really does throw away 7 of the samples and never uses them. The whole question is what is the best statistic to use. I do not believe that the shortest roundtrip time

Re: [ntp:questions] Any chance of getting bugs 2164 and 1577 moving?

2012-03-23 Thread Karel Sandler
On Fri, 23 Mar 2012, unruh wrote: On 2012-03-22, Karel Sandler sand...@ujf.cas.cz wrote: On Thu, 22 Mar 2012, unruh wrote: In addition, it should be noted that in the case of serial PPS the system time may lag behind UTC by tens of microseconds. tens of microseconds? Where does this come

Re: [ntp:questions] Any chance of getting bugs 2164 and 1577 moving?

2012-03-23 Thread Alby VA
On Mar 23, 9:49 am, Karel Sandler sand...@ujf.cas.cz wrote: On Fri, 23 Mar 2012, unruh wrote: On 2012-03-22, Karel Sandler sand...@ujf.cas.cz wrote: On Thu, 22 Mar 2012, unruh wrote: In addition, it should be noted that in the case of serial PPS the system time may lag behind UTC by tens

Re: [ntp:questions] PSYCHO PC clock is advancing at 2 HR per second

2012-03-23 Thread Terje Mathisen
Miroslav Lichvar wrote: On Fri, Mar 23, 2012 at 11:49:19AM +0100, Terje Mathisen wrote: But I think a much bigger problem with the clock filter and PLL combination is that it can't drop more than 7 samples. When the network is saturated, it's usually better to drop much more than. If the

Re: [ntp:questions] Any chance of getting bugs 2164 and 1577 moving?

2012-03-23 Thread unruh
On 2012-03-23, Karel Sandler sand...@ujf.cas.cz wrote: On Fri, 23 Mar 2012, unruh wrote: On 2012-03-22, Karel Sandler sand...@ujf.cas.cz wrote: On Thu, 22 Mar 2012, unruh wrote: In addition, it should be noted that in the case of serial PPS the system time may lag behind UTC by tens of

Re: [ntp:questions] PSYCHO PC clock is advancing at 2 HR per second

2012-03-23 Thread unruh
On 2012-03-23, Terje Mathisen terje.mathisen at tmsw.no wrote: unruh wrote: No I would not. That is not what ntpd does. It really does throw away 7 of the samples and never uses them. The whole question is what is the best statistic to use. I do not believe that the shortest roundtrip time is

Re: [ntp:questions] Any chance of getting bugs 2164 and 1577 moving?

2012-03-23 Thread Richard B. Gilbert
On 3/22/2012 5:54 PM, David Lord wrote: unruh wrote: On 2012-03-22, David J Taylor david-tay...@blueyonder.co.uk.invalid wrote: unruh un...@invalid.ca wrote in message news:xLHar.38386$iq1.34...@newsfe18.iad... [] Measure what? Why do you think that ntp reporting the offset with an extra

Re: [ntp:questions] Any chance of getting bugs 2164 and 1577 moving?

2012-03-23 Thread Karel Sandler
On Fri, 23 Mar 2012, unruh wrote: On 2012-03-23, Karel Sandler sand...@ujf.cas.cz wrote: On Fri, 23 Mar 2012, unruh wrote: On 2012-03-22, Karel Sandler sand...@ujf.cas.cz wrote: On Thu, 22 Mar 2012, unruh wrote: In addition, it should be noted that in the case of serial PPS the system

Re: [ntp:questions] Any chance of getting bugs 2164 and 1577 moving?

2012-03-23 Thread Karel Sandler
On Fri, 23 Mar 2012, Alby VA wrote: How much is that GPS170PCI card? I do not know the current price. I'm guessing well over 1000 euros. Karel Sandler ___ questions mailing list questions@lists.ntp.org http://lists.ntp.org/listinfo/questions

[ntp:questions] YEA! My Sure Electronics GPS just arrived.

2012-03-23 Thread Ron Frazier (NTP)
Hi all, YEA! My Sure Electronics GPS just arrived. I ordered on 03/05/12 and it arrived on 03/23/12, so it took 18 days. My configuration is: GPS USB port -- PC 2nd USB port - for power only GPS serial port -- Trendnet TU-S9 (Prolific based) serial - USB adapter -- PC 1st USB port (same

Re: [ntp:questions] Any chance of getting bugs 2164 and 1577 moving?

2012-03-23 Thread unruh
On 2012-03-23, Karel Sandler sand...@ujf.cas.cz wrote: On Fri, 23 Mar 2012, unruh wrote: On 2012-03-23, Karel Sandler sand...@ujf.cas.cz wrote: On Fri, 23 Mar 2012, unruh wrote: On 2012-03-22, Karel Sandler sand...@ujf.cas.cz wrote: On Thu, 22 Mar 2012, unruh wrote: In addition, it should

[ntp:questions] UK ANN: NOTIFICATION OF GPS JAMMING EXERCISES SALISBURY PLAIN, WILTSHIRE, 7TH MAY 2012

2012-03-23 Thread David J Taylor
NOTIFICATION OF GPS JAMMING EXERCISES SALISBURY PLAIN, WILTSHIRE, 7TH MAY 2012 Dates: Between the 7th of May and the 11th of May 2012 (Inclusive). Times: : 0700 - 2000 GMT. Location of MULTIPLE jammers: Land based within 5km of N51° 12', W001° 58.5'. Frequency: A 24 MHz band centred around

Re: [ntp:questions] YEA! My Sure Electronics GPS just arrived.

2012-03-23 Thread David J Taylor
Hi all, YEA! My Sure Electronics GPS just arrived. I ordered on 03/05/12 and it arrived on 03/23/12, so it took 18 days. [] I have a question for someone with experience with the board. If I unplug the board, will it retain it's programming, or will it lose it? If it retains it, how long

Re: [ntp:questions] YEA! My Sure Electronics GPS just arrived.

2012-03-23 Thread unruh
Sorry, just realised what you meant by programming-- change in baud rate, sentence delivery, etc. I use the default ( and use the PPS from the Sure for the actual timing via either the serial port (with pps_ldisc on linux) or with the parallel port and a special program I wrote to handle the

Re: [ntp:questions] YEA! My Sure Electronics GPS just arrived.

2012-03-23 Thread unruh
On 2012-03-23, Ron Frazier (NTP) timekeepingntpl...@c3energy.com wrote: Hi all, YEA! My Sure Electronics GPS just arrived. I ordered on 03/05/12 and it arrived on 03/23/12, so it took 18 days. Yes, you pay for the cheapness by slowness. Note that you want to keep eyes on the antenna. If

[ntp:questions] peerstat update frequency

2012-03-23 Thread A C
How often should an individual peer write an entry to the peerstat log? Is it supposed to occur every time the peer is polled or only once every certain number of polls? ___ questions mailing list questions@lists.ntp.org

Re: [ntp:questions] peerstat update frequency

2012-03-23 Thread Dave Hart
On Sat, Mar 24, 2012 at 00:01, A C agcarver+...@acarver.net wrote: How often should an individual peer write an entry to the peerstat log?  Is it supposed to occur every time the peer is polled or only once every certain number of polls? I presume every response is logged, which may be

Re: [ntp:questions] peerstat update frequency

2012-03-23 Thread A C
On 3/23/2012 17:07, Dave Hart wrote: On Sat, Mar 24, 2012 at 00:01, A Cagcarver+...@acarver.net wrote: How often should an individual peer write an entry to the peerstat log? Is it supposed to occur every time the peer is polled or only once every certain number of polls? I presume every

Re: [ntp:questions] Any chance of getting bugs 2164 and 1577 moving?

2012-03-23 Thread Karel Sandler
On Fri, 23 Mar 2012, unruh wrote: On 2012-03-23, Karel Sandler sand...@ujf.cas.cz wrote: On Fri, 23 Mar 2012, unruh wrote: On 2012-03-23, Karel Sandler sand...@ujf.cas.cz wrote: On Fri, 23 Mar 2012, unruh wrote: On 2012-03-22, Karel Sandler sand...@ujf.cas.cz wrote: On Thu, 22 Mar 2012,

Re: [ntp:questions] peerstat update frequency

2012-03-23 Thread A C
On 3/23/2012 17:25, Dave Hart wrote: On Sat, Mar 24, 2012 at 00:13, A Cagcarver+...@acarver.net wrote: On 3/23/2012 17:07, Dave Hart wrote: I presume every response is logged, which may be slightly less often than every poll interval in case of lost traffic. Are you seeing something else?

Re: [ntp:questions] YEA! My Sure Electronics GPS just arrived.

2012-03-23 Thread Chris Albertson
On Fri, Mar 23, 2012 at 4:39 PM, unruh un...@invalid.ca wrote: Sorry, just realised what you meant by programming-- change in baud rate, sentence delivery, etc. I use the default ( and use the PPS from the Sure for the actual timing via either the serial port (with pps_ldisc on linux) or with

Re: [ntp:questions] YEA! My Sure Electronics GPS just arrived.

2012-03-23 Thread Ron Frazier (NTP)
Hi all, I just discovered an interesting thing about the Sure board's serial - USB converter. I went ahead and installed the driver. With this serial - USB converter, which is a Silicon Labs CP210x chipset, no matter which USB port I plug it into, it becomes COM6, which was the next one

Re: [ntp:questions] peerstat update frequency

2012-03-23 Thread unruh
On 2012-03-24, A C agcarver+...@acarver.net wrote: How often should an individual peer write an entry to the peerstat log? Is it supposed to occur every time the peer is polled or only once every certain number of polls? Every time it is polled. (ntpd writes to the file, the peer does not

[ntp:questions] ANN UK: MSF 60KHz interruption - Mon Mar 26 - Fri Apr 06

2012-03-23 Thread David J Taylor
Folks, I have received notice that the MSF 60 KHz signal from Anthorn, Cumbria, UK will be off-air 08:00 UTC Mon 2012-Mar-26 to 20:00 2012-Apr-06. The service may be off-air continuously during the period, but will be restored overnight and at the weekend whenever possible. Cheers, David

Re: [ntp:questions] peerstat update frequency

2012-03-23 Thread A C
On 3/23/2012 20:48, unruh wrote: On 2012-03-24, A Cagcarver+...@acarver.net wrote: How often should an individual peer write an entry to the peerstat log? Is it supposed to occur every time the peer is polled or only once every certain number of polls? Every time it is polled. (ntpd writes