Re: [ntp:questions] Setting back-up network servers to minpoll 10 automatically when sychronizied to a referrence clock.

2011-07-15 Thread David J Taylor
David, Something like this was done in NTPv3 (xntpd) and it turned out to be a bad idea. The poll interval is determined by the time constant, which for PPS and other low-stratum sources is relatively small. If a backup is switched in at a poll interval much larger than this, it takes awhile

Re: [ntp:questions] what is a good book an the NTP that expains the math behind it

2011-07-02 Thread David J Taylor
What is a good book on ntp that explains the math behind the protocal. Thanks Chip See Dave Mills' book: ISBN 0849358051 http://books.slashdot.org/story/06/05/15/143251/Computer-Network-Time-Synchronization Cheers, David ___ questions

Re: [ntp:questions] Something for distributing a PPS signal?

2011-07-02 Thread David J Taylor
E-Mail Sent to this address will be added to the BlackLists Null@BlackList.Anitech-Systems.invalid wrote in message news:iulje3$ahd$1...@dont-email.me... [] Unless I'm off by a magnitude somewhere; Copper wire is about 0.3m/ns? 100m ~= 333+ns? The differences in e.g. PC serial port

Re: [ntp:questions] Can't Understand NTP behaviour,

2011-06-29 Thread David J Taylor
The Chinese GPS is not bad and the price is only about $35 But for not much more money you can get a nearly state of the art unit that is made and supported by a US company. Synergy will selll you an M12M Timing GPS Receiver for about $60. Look at the specs on the PDF sheet.This is gross

Re: [ntp:questions] Can't Understand NTP behaviour,

2011-06-28 Thread David J Taylor
Richard B. Gilbert rgilber...@comcast.net wrote in message news:_6idns6-1fdcpzttnz2dnuvz_rsdn...@giganews.com... [] The best source of time IMHO is a GPS Timing Receiver. Note that GPS Receivers can also be designed for navigation. For timing service you should take care to get a receiver

Re: [ntp:questions] Garmin firmware update - GPS 18x 5Hz software version 3.20

2011-06-22 Thread David J Taylor
I've updated the firmware on my unit from 3.20 to 3.70 and it seems the jitter has indeed improved, see: http://i.imgur.com/6NFBA.png The middle part is when the unit was upgraded. -- Miroslav Lichvar That's good news, Miroslav, even better than expected. Thanks for posting. From those

Re: [ntp:questions] Garmin firmware update - GPS 18x 5Hz software version 3.20

2011-06-17 Thread David J Taylor
Hal Murray hal-use...@ip-64-139-1-69.sjc.megapath.net wrote in message news:sekdnu74hspfmgbqnz2dnuvz_jgdn...@megapath.net... In article banlktikc4ydiycbw4no2ay2o-r+dfp9...@mail.gmail.com, steven Sommars stevesommars...@gmail.com writes: You may want to watch for several days. Previous 18x LVC

Re: [ntp:questions] ntp server specs

2011-06-15 Thread David J Taylor
The problem with both of those is that the Linux machines are all going to want the PPS to be conected to the DTR pin of a serial port and for that you need rs-232 levels with wides plus and minus volts. TTL level or wose is not going to work. [] Chris Albertson Redondo Beach, California In

Re: [ntp:questions] ntp server specs

2011-06-15 Thread David J Taylor
C BlacK rb...@non.net wrote in message news:g6kdnaptj_xcfwrqnz2dnuvz_okdn...@supernews.com... For our discussion, lets say there are many machine but the distance is not going to me more that 100ft. Then some top-of-the head sums might be: 100 machines - RS-232 input resistance, guess, 4K,

Re: [ntp:questions] Garmin firmware update - GPS 18x 5Hz software version 3.20

2011-06-15 Thread David J Taylor
Eugen COCA ec...@eed.usv.ro wrote in message news:daa8a19f-fed1-4ded-84cd-d87785b42...@c41g2000yqm.googlegroups.com... The new firmware for GPS 18x PC/LVC is also available: https://buy.garmin.com/shop/store/downloadsDetails.jsp?id=4055product=010-00321-51cID=170pID=223 Changes made from

Re: [ntp:questions] ntp server specs

2011-06-15 Thread David J Taylor
E-Mail Sent to this address will be added to the BlackLists Null@BlackList.Anitech-Systems.invalid wrote in message news:itauip$4v0$1...@dont-email.me... David J Taylor wrote: C BlacK rb...@non.net wrote in message For our discussion, lets say there are many machine but the distance

Re: [ntp:questions] ntpd + GPS + PPS + Linux (Ubuntu Lucid)

2011-06-10 Thread David J Taylor
I believe there is a fix for this GPS 18x LVC problem due from Garmin in the very near future - a week or two. I will post details when I hear I'll beleive it when I see it. That they have been sitting on this problem for as long as they have does not strike one with any confidence. Some

Re: [ntp:questions] ntpd + GPS + PPS + Linux (Ubuntu Lucid)

2011-06-09 Thread David J Taylor
The garmin 18x LVM apparently has a problem that it will somtimes deliver the nmea time aver 1 second after the pulse. This makes anything think that that time is associated with t he wrong second. I believe the latest gpsd has a fudge for this, but Garmin needs to get its act togetehr. I

[ntp:questions] UK - Notification of GPS jamming exercises

2011-06-06 Thread David J Taylor
Folks, I have received the following, relevant to the UK _ STANFORD TRAINING AREA, EAST ANGLIA, SEPTEMBER AND OCTOBER 2011 Dates: Between 19 and 23 September 2011 and between 03 and 07 October 2011 inclusive. Times: 0900 -1730 BST. Location of

[ntp:questions] UK - GPS jamming will take place: 31/05/2011 - 10/06/2011

2011-05-30 Thread David J Taylor
Folks, I have received the following: Dates jamming will take place: 31/05/2011 - 10/06/2011 Time periods during which jamming will take place: Periodically Mon- Fri 09:00 - 17:30 Details of Jamming. a. Location of MULTIPLE jammers: Land based within

Re: [ntp:questions] Assistance with PPS on Windows

2011-05-06 Thread David J Taylor
unruh un...@wormhole.physics.ubc.ca wrote in message news:slrnis6idl.eqd.un...@wormhole.physics.ubc.ca... [] IIRC some BSD variants were claiming to get ~150ns? I do not believe that you can service an interrupt, and read a system clock that quickly. If you have specialised hardware on the

Re: [ntp:questions] Assistance with PPS on Windows

2011-05-05 Thread David J Taylor
It appears all I needed to do was swap the TX and CD pins to get it to start polling and synced to PPS. Thanks! Great! Now, a behavioral question. Will PPS be selected as the peer if and only if the peer marked preferred is also synced? What if I want PPS to act as a supplement to whichever

Re: [ntp:questions] Windows time question.

2011-05-05 Thread David J Taylor
Not that accurate, within a second for what I need when traveling for work. But I often as not find the last choice of server(s) problematical, for some odd reason. Many hotel internet seems to be tunneled somewhere else, before it gets out to the wider www, with all the hidden latency and

Re: [ntp:questions] Assistance with PPS on Windows

2011-05-05 Thread David J Taylor
Richard B. Gilbert rgilber...@comcast.net wrote in message news:ojmdnuvxob4wkv7qnz2dnuvz_vydn...@giganews.com... [] Getting the time into the computer takes X microseconds where X depends on the hardware and software. Windows' clock ticks every 17 milliseconds or something like that. Other

Re: [ntp:questions] Windows time question.

2011-05-05 Thread David J Taylor
I've been to some hotels in po-dunk (whatever the colloquial slang is) Europe; Wi-Fi via Sat to ISP to internet, over utilized, high latency, really low bandwidth, ... I've had colleagues in the middle of the South American jungle on similar corporate setups at base camps for new oil

Re: [ntp:questions] Windows time question.

2011-05-04 Thread David J Taylor
unruh un...@wormhole.physics.ubc.ca wrote in message news:slrnis0nra.4on.un...@wormhole.physics.ubc.ca... [] Unfortunately , AFAIK, usb is terrible for delivering a PPS-- ie no interrupt lines-- the problem with having only two data lines (one beign signal ground) USB is not as good as a

Re: [ntp:questions] Assistance with PPS on Windows

2011-05-04 Thread David J Taylor
[] The problem is we cannot get NTP to sync to the PPS output. The PPS source shows up in “ntpq –p” however it has 0 reach. System B is synced to System A and is a stable Stratum 2 server at the moment. MbgMon on System B shows the PPS output on the card is active. The IRIG signal is 100% and

Re: [ntp:questions] Windows time question.

2011-05-04 Thread David J Taylor
unruh un...@wormhole.physics.ubc.ca wrote in message news:slrnis2psa.6vn.un...@wormhole.physics.ubc.ca... [] Jitter and accuracy are not the same thing. It would be interesting to attach the PPS to a real interrupt (ie one which can be serviced on the 1usec level) and see what the offset of the

Re: [ntp:questions] Windows time question.

2011-05-03 Thread David J Taylor
As the OP who started this (long and sometimes ammusing) thread... I do carry a GPS receiver with me, but sadly not PPS capable, I use it for location determination/tracking/navigating etc. Maybe I should include a GPS18 or 16 in the already bulging Laptop bag I lug arround. Even better if

Re: [ntp:questions] How to keep fake time in past/future?

2011-04-30 Thread David J Taylor
unruh un...@wormhole.physics.ubc.ca wrote in message news:slrnirnckd.qft.un...@wormhole.physics.ubc.ca... [] I still have no idea why the OP wants to do what he claims to want to do. Perhaps you remember how year 2000 rollover tests were carried out? It included setting the clock forward

Re: [ntp:questions] Checking NTP status quickly

2011-04-30 Thread David J Taylor
David J Taylor david-tay...@blueyonder.co.uk.invalid wrote in message news:iph27t$tsu$1...@dont-email.me... I have an application where it would be desirable to check that NTP is installed and running, and that the offset reported by NTP is within, say, one second. So we don't need millisecond

Re: [ntp:questions] Checking NTP status quickly

2011-04-30 Thread David J Taylor
Sorry, editing flub, the original message was at 13:18 UTC. At a minimum to accomplish your stated goal your code should ensure leap != 11 (that's normally displayed by ntpq in octal, so in Sorry, ntpq uses binary display for leap (and octal for reach). In both cases the on-wire form is

Re: [ntp:questions] NTP server with no network, no GPS signal

2011-04-29 Thread David J Taylor
Hi! I am looking for a solution to install an NTP server in a very restricted network which can not be connected to other networks even through a firewall because of strict security policy. RS232 and usb are ok. Using GPS or DCF77 reference clocks would require a long antenna wire to get

[ntp:questions] UK: Notice of Interruption to MSF 60 kHz Time and Frequency Signal

2011-04-28 Thread David J Taylor
I have received the following: Notice of Interruption to MSF 60 kHz Time and Frequency Signal The MSF 60 kHz time and frequency signal broadcast from Anthorn Radio Station will be shut down over the period: 03 May 2011 to 13 May 2011 Each day

Re: [ntp:questions] NTP/Linux Machine Issue

2011-04-27 Thread David J Taylor
Your client software is five years out of date, I suggest you update it. Red Herring. Not even worth updating for the security updates? The problem here is that the client system is running in a VM. Not mentioned in the original post, though! The OP wants to sync this client to his

Re: [ntp:questions] NTP/Linux Machine Issue

2011-04-26 Thread David J Taylor
Dear Support, This is a newsgroup, there is no support as such. I have a NTP server, and configure clients on it. I am facing an issue that the offset is too much high so there a difference in the time between the client and the server, it is reaching 1 hour sometimes. NTP client version:

Re: [ntp:questions] Windows time question.

2011-04-23 Thread David J Taylor
Richard B. Gilbert rgilber...@comcast.net wrote in message news:ot-dnvdagogjoizqnz2dnuvz_o-dn...@giganews.com... [] Anyone who doubts the accuracy, legitimacy, etc. of pool services should be able to purchase a GPS timing receiver and get the time from the horse's mouth. The investment

Re: [ntp:questions] Windows time question.

2011-04-23 Thread David J Taylor
unruh un...@wormhole.physics.ubc.ca wrote in message news:slrnir4tou.j3t.un...@wormhole.physics.ubc.ca... [] He did say a timing receiver. That could mean a GPS receiver specifically set up to supply time, including an on board temp insensitive crystal to supply the time if the sattelite

Re: [ntp:questions] Windows time question.

2011-04-23 Thread David J Taylor
Rob nom...@example.com wrote in message news:slrnir52mv.hnj.nom...@xs8.xs4all.nl... [] Why is this irrelevant discussion started every time some topic is being discyssed in this newsgroup? It does not matter what the initial question is, what problem someone tries to solve, what requirements he

Re: [ntp:questions] Windows time question.

2011-04-23 Thread David J Taylor
Rob nom...@example.com wrote in message news:slrnir54hp.hnj.nom...@xs8.xs4all.nl... [] The initial question: | Due to my wandering use of a laptop for, work (cough!) Often away | from the office, and our server, but with local internet access (Hotel | WiFi etc). | | What UK based RELIABLE

Re: [ntp:questions] Windows time question.

2011-04-22 Thread David J Taylor
Roger invalid@invalid.invalid wrote in message news:oei2r6p2ut7793hu02pauutkjmm22ht...@4ax.com... On 21 Apr 2011 16:18:39 GMT, Rob nom...@example.com wrote: When I do a lookup of pool.ntp.org I get three addresses returned that are local to me. I'm in the UK and the three I just got were UK,

Re: [ntp:questions] Windows time question.

2011-04-22 Thread David J Taylor
Is your Internet provider a company that is also (or mainly) active in France and Germany? No, exlusively British, I believe. Apparently the IP location service misinterprets your IP adress. That should be fixed. For the addresses I can test it works flawlessly. My IP address is:

Re: [ntp:questions] Windows time question.

2011-04-22 Thread David J Taylor
I hope that the pool folk will be able to update their page in due course - likely documentation isn't the top priority! The quickest way to bring this to their attention is to report it on the p...@lists.ntp.org mailing list. -- Steve Kostecke koste...@ntp.org Already done, Steve. BTW: is

Re: [ntp:questions] Windows time question.

2011-04-21 Thread David J Taylor
Rob nom...@example.com wrote in message [] server 0.uk.pool.ntp.org iburst server 1.uk.pool.ntp.org iburst server 2.uk.pool.ntp.org iburst server 0.nl.pool.ntp.org iburst server 1.nl.pool.ntp.org iburst Omit the region codes (uk, nl etc). They are no longer required and when you are mobile you

Re: [ntp:questions] ntp server specs

2011-04-21 Thread David J Taylor
Richard B. Gilbert rgilber...@comcast.net wrote in message news:wegdnew3j4a37tlqnz2dnuvz_gwdn...@giganews.com... [] You don't really care what hardware the server runs on! X86 should work as well as any other architecture. The software is somewhat more important. Linux works well on the X86

Re: [ntp:questions] Using two NTP Server: Bad?

2011-04-21 Thread David J Taylor
Ben Rockwood b...@cuddletech.com wrote in message news:4daf84fc.7060...@cuddletech.com... I've read in the past that clients should always have an odd-number of NTP servers; 1 server or 3 servers but not 2. If I recall the reason was that clients could become confused and needs a tie breaker.

Re: [ntp:questions] Windows time question.

2011-04-21 Thread David J Taylor
Hi David. Long time no speak. Oops, I missed the callsign! Hope all is well. I'd ordinarily love to, but this is the works machine I carry arround places etc. Our illustrious IT droids have no interest in this, other than to Flatten the machine and re-install the OS. Anything outside

Re: [ntp:questions] Windows time question.

2011-04-21 Thread David J Taylor
Rob nom...@example.com wrote in message news:slrnir0cq8.7do.nom...@xs8.xs4all.nl... [] However, Rob, the Pool Web pages suggest that better results will be obtained by leaving the country codes in: http://www.pool.ntp.org/en/use.html The documentation is outdated. I would have hoped that

Re: [ntp:questions] Windows time question.

2011-04-21 Thread David J Taylor
Rob nom...@example.com wrote in message news:slrnir0m6v.e7e.nom...@xs8.xs4all.nl... [] I don't know how the pool functionality in ntpd works, it is not available in the version I use. Thanks, Rob. Perhaps there is a page somewhere? I only know that the pool has introduced a

Re: [ntp:questions] Windows time question.

2011-04-20 Thread David J Taylor
Hi All. [] At least, looking in the system error and info logs, after recovering from a lockup, it's related to W32Time going bad, not long after first boot of the day. [] Idea's brickbats etc welcome... Regards. DaveB. Dave, Forget W32Time and use NTP exclusively. I have it on the

Re: [ntp:questions] Windows time question.

2011-04-20 Thread David J Taylor
Omit the region codes (uk, nl etc). They are no longer required and when you are mobile you should not have them. The pool.ntp.org dns determines where you send your request from and returns servers that are local to you. Thanks for the suggestion, Rob. Implemented. Cheers, David

Re: [ntp:questions] Windows time question.

2011-04-20 Thread David J Taylor
The more recent versions only _need_ one pool line, and it will keep pulling up more servers as needed. -- E-Mail Sent to this address blackl...@anitech-systems.com will be added to the BlackLists. Thanks for that reminder. I'm running ntpd 4.2.4p6 on that particular PC. Does that support

Re: [ntp:questions] NTPD can take 10 hours to achieve stability

2011-04-19 Thread David J Taylor
Thanks for all the great answers. Now for a harder question, how does the accuracy of the local clock source affect the accuracy of ntpd. Thanks Chip Chip, It also depends on the OS in use. Even with a timekeeping GPS (better than a microsecond), Windows does not keep time as well as

Re: [ntp:questions] NTPD can take 10 hours to achieve stability

2011-04-19 Thread David J Taylor
unruh un...@wormhole.physics.ubc.ca wrote in message news:slrniqpa40.ppu.un...@wormhole.physics.ubc.ca... [] Well, I think someone other than the current maintainers will have to port it to windows. Since windows timekeeping is not the worlds best anyway, it is probably true that the extra

Re: [ntp:questions] NTPD can take 10 hours to achieve stability

2011-04-19 Thread David J Taylor
David Woolley david@ex.djwhome.demon.invalid wrote in message news:iojbue$ge9$1...@dont-email.me... [] As I keep saying, offset does not accurately measure time keeping accuracy. A low offset can mean that you are tracking traffic variations on the LAN, or interrupt latency variations, rather

Re: [ntp:questions] NTPD can take 10 hours to achieve stability

2011-04-18 Thread David J Taylor
C BlacK rb...@non.net wrote in message news:o-adnvwgbzb3ntbqnz2dnuvz_ocdn...@supernews.com... Why would it take ntpd ten hours to achieve its accuracy? Can this be explained in laymans terms and mathematically What accuracy do /you/ want? For best accuracy which NTP can achieve, in the

Re: [ntp:questions] NTPD can take 10 hours to achieve stability

2011-04-18 Thread David J Taylor
unruh un...@wormhole.physics.ubc.ca wrote in message news:slrniqnml8.ln1.un...@wormhole.physics.ubc.ca... On 2011-04-18, David J Taylor david-tay...@blueyonder.co.uk.invalid wrote: C BlacK rb...@non.net wrote in message news:o-adnvwgbzb3ntbqnz2dnuvz_ocdn...@supernews.com... Why would it take

Re: [ntp:questions] NTPD can take 10 hours to achieve stability

2011-04-18 Thread David J Taylor
unruh un...@wormhole.physics.ubc.ca wrote in message news:slrniqotoj.40a.un...@wormhole.physics.ubc.ca... [] Mine is within about 6 microseconds, in a non-temperature controlled environment (running 24 x 7). Looking at the plots it is quite clear that temperature variations are the limiting

Re: [ntp:questions] Sure GPS: Programming it now works

2011-04-04 Thread David J Taylor
I've written a tiny program to do exactly this and this is the output: [] BTW, this morning I got 14 sats in the (4!) GSV messages, that's the first time I've seen a GPS with info about more than 12 sats! :-) Terje Terje, That's great! Any chance of a copy of the program? Did you ever

Re: [ntp:questions] Sure Electronics GPS board: Amazing performance. :-)

2011-04-02 Thread David J Taylor
unruh un...@wormhole.physics.ubc.ca wrote in message news:slrnipci4i.3la.un...@wormhole.physics.ubc.ca... [] Which route did you take-- PPS pin to RS232 (CMOS level) or via the buffers/inverters? All I am pointing out to people who might regard the sure board as a really cheap path, but do

Re: [ntp:questions] Sure Electronics GPS board: Amazing performance. :-)

2011-04-02 Thread David J Taylor
I've done some more careful inspection of the Sure GPS comms trace: It really looks like the GPS does _not_ listen to commands by default, instead the controlling program sends a solitary '0' char to ask for permission to talk. About 200 ms later the GPS boards drop the CD (Carrier Detect)

Re: [ntp:questions] Sure Electronics GPS board: Amazing performance. :-)

2011-04-01 Thread David J Taylor
unruh un...@wormhole.physics.ubc.ca wrote in message news:slrnipapga.co8.un...@wormhole.physics.ubc.ca... [] Using a soldering iron on surface mount devices is a bit trickier-- too easy to bridge the pins is you do not have very steady hands. Not saying you cannot do it. But Joe Bloggs might

[ntp:questions] UK - GPS Jamming update

2011-03-31 Thread David J Taylor
The MoD has informed Ofcom of the following GPS jamming exercise update: Reference: JRS0012 Dates and times: GPS jamming will take place according to the following schedule: 6 Apr 1400-1500Z 8 Apr 0200-0400Z 1000-1100Z 1330-1530Z

Re: [ntp:questions] Sure Electronics GPS board: Amazingperformance. :-)

2011-03-31 Thread David J Taylor
I'd have to say the Motorola Oncore UT+ is the easiest to use. All the connections are to 0.1 pitch male header pins so there is no need for solder. The UT+ sells for about $16 on ebay. The documentation is exhaustive and complete and written in standard English. And of course the UT is

Re: [ntp:questions] Odd offset for PPS DCD w/ Garmin GPS 18x LVC

2011-03-23 Thread David J Taylor
Thanks to all. I am using Garmin 3.20, as it it turns out. However, I reverted to 4.2.5p233 of Dave Hart's builds, and it does not appear to have the same strange behavior. I had been using 4.2.7p138 (which I first installed only yesterday). I'll try a few of Dave's other builds to see if I

Re: [ntp:questions] ntpd -q and driftfile

2011-03-22 Thread David J Taylor
Hi, I would like to know if ntpd would use the driftfile specified in /etc/ ntp.conf file if it is run periodically using crontab with -q option as below: /usr/sbin/ntpd -u ntp:ntp -p /var/run/ntpd.pid -g -q -L eth0 I do not find any drift file being created at the specified location. Thanks

Re: [ntp:questions] ntpd -q and driftfile

2011-03-22 Thread David J Taylor
He can do that if he wants to. That was why the -q option was designed into ntpd-- one time setting of the clock time. However it cannot create a drift file. If he wants a drift file then as you say, he must run it continuously. You could look at it that way, Bill, if all he needs is a one-off

Re: [ntp:questions] GPX18x LVC 3.50 firmware - high serial delay problem workround

2011-03-22 Thread David J Taylor
Q ..@.. wrote in message news:4d887390$0$2524$da0fe...@news.zen.co.uk... [] Hi David, A reply from Garmin! Also I tried the downgrade - its in and working, though I'm not seeing much if any difference in the numbers yet - I should be able to post some data later in the week once its

Re: [ntp:questions] Odd offset for PPS DCD w/ Garmin GPS 18x LVC

2011-03-22 Thread David J Taylor
lellis larry.el...@gmail.com wrote in message news:efc6e755-c213-4a10-90f9-420384001...@s18g2000prg.googlegroups.com... On Win XP, I am seeing an odd positive offset of about 128ms on the Atom driver, relative to other sources: remote refid st t when poll reach delay

Re: [ntp:questions] ntpd -q and driftfile

2011-03-22 Thread David J Taylor
unruh un...@wormhole.physics.ubc.ca wrote in message news:slrniohmmc.6v5.un...@wormhole.physics.ubc.ca... [] ntpd -q is a replacemtn for ntpdate, which was typically run from cron, and he is doing, and it is an acceptable procedure if for example you do not want a daemon running which could

Re: [ntp:questions] GPX18x LVC 3.50 firmware - high serial delay problem workround

2011-03-22 Thread David J Taylor
Q ..@.. wrote in message news:4d88df4c$0$2514$db0fe...@news.zen.co.uk... [] If you have no objections it may be easier to take this 'off-list' and email you direct - it will save all the poor folk on here having to listen to my insane testing - once everything is working and playing nice I

Re: [ntp:questions] ntpd -q and driftfile

2011-03-22 Thread David J Taylor
unruh un...@wormhole.physics.ubc.ca wrote in message news:slrniohsae.ksv.un...@wormhole.physics.ubc.ca... [] I have seen the drift out by 400PPM at around the hour mark. ntpd massively overswings to correct any intial error in the clock ( say a few ms) , and then gradually settles back

Re: [ntp:questions] 64-bit serialpps.sys despite unsigned?

2011-03-18 Thread David J Taylor
Which apparently allows ongoing, hands-off use of unsigned drivers after initial setup. I am curious to hear from anyone who tries it with serialpps.sys and ntpd on Windows. Cheers, Dave Hart Folks, This is now written up here - comments and corrections warmly invited:

[ntp:questions] ANN: UK - GPS jamming - 2 May 2011

2011-03-18 Thread David J Taylor
Coming thick and fast! _ The MoD has informed Ofcom of the following GPS jamming exercise: Dates: 19 - 26 May 2011. Times: limited periods between 0700z 19 May to 100z 2 May 2011. Location: The ground based radar jamming events will

Re: [ntp:questions] 64-bit serialpps.sys despite unsigned?

2011-03-17 Thread David J Taylor
Which apparently allows ongoing, hands-off use of unsigned drivers after initial setup. I am curious to hear from anyone who tries it with serialpps.sys and ntpd on Windows. Cheers, Dave Hart I'll try this out later today, Dave. Cheers, David

Re: [ntp:questions] 64-bit serialpps.sys despite unsigned?

2011-03-17 Thread David J Taylor
http://www.ngohq.com/home.php?page=dseo Which apparently allows ongoing, hands-off use of unsigned drivers after initial setup. I am curious to hear from anyone who tries it with serialpps.sys and ntpd on Windows. Cheers, Dave Hart http://www.davehart.net/ntp/refclock/serialpps-20090606.zip

Re: [ntp:questions] 64-bit serialpps.sys despite unsigned?

2011-03-17 Thread David J Taylor
Which apparently allows ongoing, hands-off use of unsigned drivers after initial setup. I am curious to hear from anyone who tries it with serialpps.sys and ntpd on Windows. Cheers, Dave Hart It's certainly working, Dave, and that's great news! Compare the plot of PC Alta from 07:30 UTC

Re: [ntp:questions] 64-bit serialpps.sys despite unsigned?

2011-03-17 Thread David J Taylor
Yes, it looks good, and thanks for clarifying the before was using the user-mode PPS hack in the Windows port of ntpd. However, it doesn't seem to be working anything like as well as nominally the same software installed in 32-bit Windows on PC Stamsund. Compare the offsets of 32-bit PC

[ntp:questions] ANN: UK GPS jamming exercises 10-21 July 2011

2011-03-17 Thread David J Taylor
Folks, I have received the following announcement: ___ The MoD has informed Ofcom of the following GPS jamming exercise: Dates: Jamming will be conducted on a maximum of 3 week-days in the period 10-21 July 2011.Times: 0900 -1730 BST.

Re: [ntp:questions] GPX18x LVC 3.50 firmware - high serial delay problem workround

2011-03-16 Thread David J Taylor
Q ..@.. wrote in message news:4d7fd7ae$0$2503$db0fe...@news.zen.co.uk... David J Taylor david-tay...@blueyonder.co.uk.invalid wrote in message news:ilc6um$4s8$1...@news.eternal-september.org... To me it should be common courtesy to reply as soon as possible, even if it's just

Re: [ntp:questions] Flash 400 on all peers; can't get ntpd to be happy

2011-03-12 Thread David J Taylor
Is that NT3.5 fact still valid ? Never understood why anyone would use Windows for real work anyway. The thing that it does best is waiting ever faster for the next keypress from the user. uwe Perhaps people use Windows because the software they wish to run is only available for Windows? I

Re: [ntp:questions] Flash 400 on all peers; can't get ntpd to be happy

2011-03-12 Thread David J Taylor
Uwe Klein uwe_klein_habertw...@t-online.de wrote in message news:h01s48-89b@klein-habertwedt.de... David J Taylor wrote: Is that NT3.5 fact still valid ? Never understood why anyone would use Windows for real work anyway. The thing that it does best is waiting ever faster for the next

Re: [ntp:questions] Autokey sequence error

2011-03-11 Thread David J Taylor
Versions: System is debian Lenny, ntp is version '1:4.2.4p4+dfsg-8lenny3' I've followed the rabbit hole as far as I can. Can someone point me in the right direction from here? Martin, I don't know whether it will help, but the current stable version of NTP is now 4.2.6p3, form:

Re: [ntp:questions] Autokey sequence error

2011-03-11 Thread David J Taylor
Thank you for your answer. Yes, that was something I considered. However, there is no newer Version in lenny-backports, and I have shied away from building it myself (additional error potential and all that.) Anyway, I just found my mistake: [] Thank you for your help! Considering I know

Re: [ntp:questions] GPX18x LVC 3.50 firmware - high serial delay problem workround

2011-03-10 Thread David J Taylor
Q ..@.. wrote in message news:4d79277a$0$2538$da0fe...@news.zen.co.uk... David J Taylor david-tay...@blueyonder.co.uk.invalid wrote in message news:il7bhl$vgg$1...@news.eternal-september.org... I hope that Garmin at least acknowledge your request - let's hope the delay means that it being

Re: [ntp:questions] GPX18x LVC 3.50 firmware - high serial delay problem workround

2011-03-09 Thread David J Taylor
Hi David, I sent off the query/problem to them a few days ago via the online form - alas no reply as yet though. I've had problems my end anyway the box this is attached to decided to die and I had to replace the CPU which did all sorts of odd things with the clock and required a change of

Re: [ntp:questions] Flash 400 on all peers; can't get ntpd to be happy

2011-03-08 Thread David J Taylor
Ralph ra...@depth.net wrote in message news:c5b90638-395f-4e77-8761-f99c25343...@glegroupsg2000goo.googlegroups.com... Ok. The host OS time is fine so I'd have no problem using that as the source for my linux guest. What no one has provided yet is an answer to 'how' to get the linux guest VM to

Re: [ntp:questions] Flash 400 on all peers; can't get ntpd to be happy

2011-03-08 Thread David J Taylor
Sorry if the formatting is bad. I don't have a local newsfeed (ISPs seems to have abonded providing that) so I have to post via google. I wraps fine on their editor but I can see where it might not format well in the newsfeed. Ralph, You may be able to use one of the free news services

Re: [ntp:questions] Beginner needs help...

2011-03-08 Thread David J Taylor
Terje Mathisen terje.mathisen at tmsw.no wrote in message news:54vg48-ttp2@ntp6.tmsw.no... [] A RAIG (Redundant Array of Inexpensive GPSs) setup solves that problem as well. :-) I.e. as I wrote I have 3 Oncores as well. Terje 3 GPS for about US $100 and a little soldering:

Re: [ntp:questions] Flash 400 on all peers; can't get ntpd to be happy

2011-03-08 Thread David J Taylor
Ralph ra...@depth.net wrote in message news:d695207e-04ec-4664-8580-35bc25806...@glegroupsg2000goo.googlegroups.com... Well it started out as NTP's problem because apparently the clock instability makes it so NTP can't run right on the guest. I understand this isn't so much an NTP problem if the

Re: [ntp:questions] Beginner needs help...

2011-03-07 Thread David J Taylor
Hi all [] Robert Robert, You have had some good advice from other here. I have various Windows systems here running NTP, with offsets of less than 100 microseconds (Windows-7, PC Stamsund, with an attached GPS/PPS device) and less than 1 millisecond (Windows XP, PC Narvik, LAN-synced).

Re: [ntp:questions] still not able to get NTP to sync on windows 7 even w/ more updated binaries

2011-02-27 Thread David J Taylor
Gautam Thaker ghtha...@gmail.com wrote in message news:bbf7043d-935c-4a9d-8b8e-a30d44779...@8g2000prb.googlegroups.com... On Feb 26, 5:44 am, Dave Hart daveh...@gmail.com wrote: http://davehart.net/moo/ntpd-QPC-20090614-0900.zip That represents the last in a series of 4.2.4p6-based private

Re: [ntp:questions] still not able to get NTP to sync on windows 7 even w/ more updated binaries

2011-02-25 Thread David J Taylor
Are you sure that, on your system, there are no other programs trying to set the time? That is what I thought, that something was jumping the system clock. The fact that the offset value is always anice even value I think proves the clock is not drifting or noisy by being set. -- = Chris

Re: [ntp:questions] still not able to get NTP to sync on windows 7 even w/ more updated binaries

2011-02-25 Thread David J Taylor
Here is what the Windows7's event log says. The last restart w/ 4.2.7.p98 was started at 3:51. (It is not giving a good sync). Earlier than that I had an error in specifying minpoll=maxpoll=32, but i fixed that and i do see poll value of 32. Level Date and Time Source Event ID Task Category

Re: [ntp:questions] Any experience with Meinberg NTP software on Windows 7?

2011-02-24 Thread David J Taylor
Once you replace the binaries in C:\Program Files\NTP\bin do you need to do anything extra (such as use Instsrv.exe) to register the new binary. I get a popup saying Erorr 5: access is denied. Any hints welcome. Gautam Gautam, If you are using Vista or Window-7, I advise against

Re: [ntp:questions] Any experience with Meinberg NTP software on Windows 7?

2011-02-24 Thread David J Taylor
http://www.sureelectronics.net/goods.php?id=99 Except there is no indication that this thing puts out a PPS signal. Bill, do you need to add a couple of wires to get an RS-232 level signal, as I describe here: http://www.satsignal.eu/ntp/FreeBSD-GPS-PPS.htm#sure For just over US $30

Re: [ntp:questions] Any experience with Meinberg NTP software on Windows 7?

2011-02-24 Thread David J Taylor
dwmal...@maths.tcd.ie wrote in message news:201102241413.aa58...@walton.maths.tcd.ie... In comp.protocols.time.ntp you write: Bill, do you need to add a couple of wires to get an RS-232 level signal, as I describe here: http://www.satsignal.eu/ntp/FreeBSD-GPS-PPS.htm#sure For just

Re: [ntp:questions] still not able to get NTP to sync on windows 7 even w/ more updated binaries

2011-02-24 Thread David J Taylor
Based on 1 response I upgraded to ntp-4.2.7p98-win-x86-bin.zip from http://davehart.net/ntp/win/x86/ However, though NTP is running and the offset values on my win7-32 box are quite horrible. (i should note that on same subnet using same time server a fedora12 box achieves sub 1msec offset

Re: [ntp:questions] Any experience with Meinberg NTP software on Windows 7?

2011-02-23 Thread David J Taylor
Hi: I have had excellent results using http://www.meinberg.de/download/ntp/windows/ntp-4.2@lennon-o-lpv-win32-setup.exe on a windows XP platform, but on windows 7 I never get a good sync. (The NTP server is a high quality statum 2 time server which provides excellent time to Fedora/Linux

Re: [ntp:questions] GPX18x LVC 3.50 firmware - high serial delay problem workround

2011-02-18 Thread David J Taylor
http://www.sureelectronics.net/goods.php?id=99 Thanks for the link! Even though I already have a big bunch of GPSs, I've placed an order for one of those kits. :-) I really liked the multiple interfaces, the ms precision for the NMEA timestamp and the total price which is below the minimum

Re: [ntp:questions] GPX18x LVC 3.50 firmware - high serial delay problem workround

2011-02-17 Thread David J Taylor
Ok I'll go back over your past posts re the problem and report it myself to Garmin UK and see what they say - once I get something back I'll let you know. I have 3.60 running anyway with no new problems (that I can see) Thanks, Q, I can't see it doing any harm. Cheers, David

[ntp:questions] ANN: Interruption to UK MSF 60 kHz signal

2011-02-11 Thread David J Taylor
Folks, I have received the following announcement: __ Notice of Interruption to MSF 60 kHz Time and Frequency Signal The MSF 60 kHz time and frequency signal broadcast from Anthorn Radio Station will be shut down over the period: 10 March 2011 - from 10:00

Re: [ntp:questions] Odd results with Oncore UT+ ref clock

2011-02-01 Thread David J Taylor
I suspect now the PPS is failing somehow. I can see the serial data appear in the log every second. But mixed in there is a error message that reads ONCORE[0]: ONCORE: oncore_get_timestamp, error serial pps. I'll likey grep the code for the error string and see what it's doing. I just bught

Re: [ntp:questions] ntp-4.2.6p3-1.el5 - minpoll local PPS source

2011-01-30 Thread David J Taylor
Q ..@.. wrote in message news:4d45b7cb$0$2534$da0fe...@news.zen.co.uk... Having looked through some ntp doc's and lots of websites I'm a bit confused as to what I 'should' do. My local PPS source is set for 'minpoll 4' (16 sec) this has had the knock on effect that the other network based

[ntp:questions] DCF77 support in the Windows NTP port?

2011-01-24 Thread David J Taylor
Folks, Is there simple DCF77 support in the Windows NTP port? This would be for the simple receiver described here: http://www.rrs-web.net/in3her/dcf77_32.html A friend has one of these devices and is interested in syncing multiple PCs. I only see manufacturer-specific drivers (types 38,

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