Re: [ntp:questions] Linux NTPd using a older Trimble Thunderbolt GPS Receiver

2015-01-20 Thread George Ross
... Presumably PPS was ignored because the event based timing packets yield reliable sub-millisecond offsets. The driver and document should be brought into the PPS era and be renamed the TSIP refclock rather than Palisades. Palisades/NMEA + ATOM is the way to use these receivers. From the

Re: [ntp:questions] Linux NTPd using a older Trimble Thunderbolt GPS Receiver

2015-01-20 Thread Rob
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Re: [ntp:questions] Linux NTPd using a older Trimble Thunderbolt GPS Receiver

2015-01-20 Thread Paul
On Tue, Jan 20, 2015 at 6:51 AM, George Ross g...@inf.ed.ac.uk wrote: From the Acutime 2000 user guide: The time tag provides a resolution of 320ns Is PPS going to be sufficiently better that it would outweigh the additional setup complexity? No.

Re: [ntp:questions] Linux NTPd using a older Trimble Thunderbolt GPS Receiver

2015-01-20 Thread George Ross
It is not the resolution of the time tag that matters, but the accuracy at which it can be received by an asynchronous serial port. Ah, no, the timeousness of reading the timestamp isn't relevant, provided only that the driver doesn't hammer on the clock unit too hard (which it doesn't; once a

Re: [ntp:questions] Linux NTPd using a older Trimble Thunderbolt GPS Receiver

2015-01-20 Thread William Unruh
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Re: [ntp:questions] Linux NTPd using a older Trimble Thunderbolt GPS Receiver

2015-01-20 Thread Rob
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Re: [ntp:questions] Linux NTPd using a older Trimble Thunderbolt GPS Receiver

2015-01-20 Thread William Unruh
On 2015-01-20, Rob nom...@example.com wrote: William Unruh un...@invalid.ca wrote: On 2015-01-20, George Ross g...@inf.ed.ac.uk wrote: --===2288611982837908707== Content-Type: multipart/signed; boundary===_Exmh_1421754685_7720P; micalg=pgp-sha1;

Re: [ntp:questions] Linux NTPd using a older Trimble Thunderbolt GPS Receiver

2015-01-20 Thread Rob
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Re: [ntp:questions] Linux NTPd using a older Trimble Thunderbolt GPS Receiver

2015-01-20 Thread Terje Mathisen
William Unruh wrote: On 2015-01-20, Rob nom...@example.com wrote: It turns out that the device has a mode where you can SEND a pulse at a moment you decide and then the device RETURNS the timestamp of that pulse you sent in a serial message. Presumably you can take a nanosecond timestamp and

Re: [ntp:questions] Linux NTPd using a older Trimble Thunderbolt GPS Receiver

2015-01-20 Thread Paul
On Tue, Jan 20, 2015 at 1:45 PM, William Unruh un...@invalid.ca wrote: You would presumeably want a daemon to read the clock and toggle the pin, perhaps with interrupts turned off That would be NTPd refclock 29 mode N where N select an event stamping receiver. Naturally doing this in user

Re: [ntp:questions] Linux NTPd using a older Trimble Thunderbolt GPS Receiver

2015-01-19 Thread George Ross
Shouldn't it show a 'o' rather than a '*' when it is locked to PPS in kernel mode? Ah, but it's not doing PPS. The driver waggles one of the control lines and the device transmits a timestamp in response. -- George D M Ross MSc PhD CEng MBCS CITP, University of Edinburgh, School of

Re: [ntp:questions] Linux NTPd using a older Trimble Thunderbolt GPS Receiver

2015-01-19 Thread Rob
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Re: [ntp:questions] Linux NTPd using a older Trimble Thunderbolt GPS Receiver

2015-01-19 Thread Paul
On Mon, Jan 19, 2015 at 2:57 AM, George Ross g...@inf.ed.ac.uk wrote: Is there anyone with the prior experience in getting these older Trimble units to work? We've had a Trimble Acutime 2000 running since 2005, at two separate sites. Although the Palisades driver has been extended to the

Re: [ntp:questions] Linux NTPd using a older Trimble Thunderbolt GPS Receiver

2015-01-19 Thread Rob
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Re: [ntp:questions] Linux NTPd using a older Trimble Thunderbolt GPS Receiver

2015-01-18 Thread George Ross
Is there anyone with the prior experience in getting these older Trimble units to work? We've had a Trimble Acutime 2000 running since 2005, at two separate sites. As I recall we just plugged it in, ran the (Windows) configuration tool that came on the CD with it to check that it had a lock

Re: [ntp:questions] Linux NTPd using a older Trimble Thunderbolt GPS Receiver

2015-01-17 Thread Rob
Oceanos Admin sysad...@cellmail.com wrote: Is there anyone with the prior experience in getting these older Trimble units to work? Most of the information dates back to the early 2000's or so. Our desire is to get away from using an external Internet based public NTP site to limit

[ntp:questions] Linux NTPd using a older Trimble Thunderbolt GPS Receiver

2015-01-16 Thread Oceanos Admin
Hi: We were looking to use an older Trimble Thunderbolt 8 channel GPS receiver for providing a Stratum 1 time reference. I realize this is discussed on the ntp.org web site but sadly, the link to Trimble to get the driver (any any ntp driver) are now all dead links. We have it connected to

Re: [ntp:questions] Linux NTPd using a older Trimble Thunderbolt GPS Receiver

2015-01-16 Thread Paul
On Fri, Jan 16, 2015 at 7:49 PM, Oceanos Admin sysad...@cellmail.com wrote: Hi: We were looking to use an older Trimble Thunderbolt 8 channel GPS receiver for providing a Stratum 1 time reference The standard hobbyist T-Bolt management program is Lady Heather. It a windows (dos) program