Re: [ntp:questions] Local (own site) NTP servers.

2009-07-25 Thread David J Taylor
Richard B. Gilbert wrote: [] Well, this house has four bedrooms. We only need one to sleep in. The other three provide an office/study for me, the same for my wife and a computer room. About the same here! AIRC, the MicroVAX II occupied about as much space as a large suitcase. I don't

Re: [ntp:questions] Local (own site) NTP servers.

2009-07-25 Thread David Woolley
G8KBV wrote: To get Faros (HF Beacon monitoring program, runs on Windows, It looks to me as though that application requires timing to better than about 10ms, and probably won't benefit much more below about 2.5ms. I'm assuming that they are trying to treat the morse code station ident as

Re: [ntp:questions] Local (own site) NTP servers.

2009-07-25 Thread Richard B. Gilbert
David J Taylor wrote: Richard B. Gilbert wrote: [] Well, this house has four bedrooms. We only need one to sleep in. The other three provide an office/study for me, the same for my wife and a computer room. About the same here! AIRC, the MicroVAX II occupied about as much space as a

Re: [ntp:questions] Local (own site) NTP servers.

2009-07-25 Thread Uwe Klein
David Woolley wrote: G8KBV wrote: http://bifferos.bizhat.com/ Since when has Intel architecture been reduced instruction set. Looks like someone's marketing department has completely devalued RISC! Thats a nice and cheap toy. ( thanks for the hint G8KBV David, where do you see RISC

Re: [ntp:questions] Local (own site) NTP servers.

2009-07-25 Thread David Woolley
Uwe Klein wrote: David, where do you see RISC mentioned? http://www.sima.com.tw/download/R8610_D06_20051003.pdf linked from http://sites.google.com/site/bifferboard/Home/hardware-specification linked from http://sites.google.com/site/bifferboard/ linked from http://bifferos.bizhat.com/

Re: [ntp:questions] Local (own site) NTP servers.

2009-07-25 Thread Uwe Klein
David Woolley wrote: Uwe Klein wrote: David, where do you see RISC mentioned? http://www.sima.com.tw/download/R8610_D06_20051003.pdf linked from http://sites.google.com/site/bifferboard/Home/hardware-specification linked from http://sites.google.com/site/bifferboard/

Re: [ntp:questions] NTP Performance on WINNT

2009-07-25 Thread paul
On Jul 21, 1:55 pm, David J Taylor david-tay...@blueyonder.not-this- part.nor-this.co.uk.invalid wrote: paul wrote: [] 10 Windows boxes with offset no greater than 5 ms from abs time is fair enough for me. I will try a local stratum-1 NTP server. Cheers, Paul Paul, Just for

Re: [ntp:questions] NTP Performance on WINNT

2009-07-25 Thread David J Taylor
paul wrote: [] Hi David, I am wondering is there any other means to profile NTP performance, like some kind of hardware setup to measure time offset of two machine? I wrote some simple programs which you can download here: http://www.satsignal.eu/software/net.htm#NTPmonitor It's

Re: [ntp:questions] NTP Performance on WINNT

2009-07-25 Thread paul
On Jul 25, 11:38 pm, David J Taylor david-tay...@blueyonder.not- this-part.nor-this.co.uk.invalid wrote: paul wrote: [] Hi David, I am wondering is there any other means to profile NTP performance, like some kind of hardware setup to measure time offset of two machine? I wrote some

[ntp:questions] rackety

2009-07-25 Thread Rob Neal
rackety.udel.edu is not synchronized. ntpq -crv rackety.udel.edu: associd=0 status=00f8 leap_none, sync_unspec, 15 events, no_sys_peer, version=ntpd 4.2.5p...@1.1874-o Sun May 24 18:56:51 UTC 2009 (2), processor=i386, system=FreeBSD/6.1-RELEASE, leap=00, stratum=1, precision=-18,

Re: [ntp:questions] NTP Performance on WINNT

2009-07-25 Thread David J Taylor
paul wrote: [] Thanks, but I mean something which do not rely on the output of ntpq.exe. My NTP Monitor uses NTP network calls to determine the offset of the PCs - it doesn't use ntpq. However, in that sense, it does rely on the output from NTP. What problem are you trying to solve, and how

Re: [ntp:questions] NTP Performance on WINNT

2009-07-25 Thread David Woolley
paul wrote: Hi David, I am wondering is there any other means to profile NTP performance, like some kind of hardware setup to measure time offset of two machine? You need access to the source code of the clock interrupt service routine and the ability to directly right to something like a

Re: [ntp:questions] Local (own site) NTP servers.

2009-07-25 Thread Danny Mayer
Dave Baxter wrote: The NTP problem, is because my ISP (Demon) has been bought out by CW, and they are continualy messing with the network. Resulting in ping latences of nearly 2 seconds at times during the day. Even worse, that varies ping to ping, so what chance protocols like NTP?

Re: [ntp:questions] Local (own site) NTP servers.

2009-07-25 Thread Danny Mayer
Richard B. Gilbert wrote: David Woolley wrote: Hal Murray wrote: Please see: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/NTP_server_misuse_and_abuse Although probably true about this case, a quick skim makes me think that this article breaks the Original Research rules for Wikipedia. I think any one

Re: [ntp:questions] NTP Performance on WINNT

2009-07-25 Thread Unruh
David J Taylor david-tay...@blueyonder.not-this-part.nor-this.co.uk.invalid writes: paul wrote: [] Thanks, but I mean something which do not rely on the output of ntpq.exe. You can get say a gps with PPS and attach it to say the parallel port of your machine, writing and intrrupt service

Re: [ntp:questions] Local (own site) NTP servers.

2009-07-25 Thread Danny Mayer
Richard B. Gilbert wrote: Maarten Wiltink wrote: Richard B. Gilbert rgilber...@comcast.net wrote in message news:vdadnwa89vi0xpxxnz2dnuvz_redn...@giganews.com... [...] The Meinberg NTP software is standard NTPD with a Windows installer! If you are really good with Windows you might be able

[ntp:questions] ntpd questions - FreeBSD 5.5

2009-07-25 Thread David Shoulders
I have some actual data on my server's sudden leaps into instability. The two queries below were run about 2 minutes apart (presumably on either side of a poll). (For reference, I've put my original question and a follow-up at the end of this post.) (The cron/ntpd -q system was not working

Re: [ntp:questions] Local (own site) NTP servers.

2009-07-25 Thread Danny Mayer
Richard B. Gilbert wrote: David J Taylor wrote: Richard B. Gilbert wrote: [] Well, this house has four bedrooms. We only need one to sleep in. The other three provide an office/study for me, the same for my wife and a computer room. About the same here! AIRC, the MicroVAX II occupied

Re: [ntp:questions] rackety

2009-07-25 Thread Danny Mayer
It looks bad. Normally you would expect it to be taking its time from the Spectracom or PPS unit. Maybe Dave can take a look at what's going on. Danny ntpq -p rackety.udel.edu remote refid st t when poll reach delay offset jitter