Re: [ntp:questions] About use of PPS in NTP sync

2014-06-16 Thread jthulard
Hi, the PPS signal comes from one GPS clock. At the cold start the drift could be several seconds, so we plan to perform a ntpdate before launching the ntp client. The sync accuracy we want to achieve for this particular system is below 3ms offset. After the ntpdate we assume that the offset

Re: [ntp:questions] About use of PPS in NTP sync

2014-06-16 Thread Harlan Stenn
jthul...@gmail.com writes: Hi, the PPS signal comes from one GPS clock. At the cold start the drift could be several seconds, so we plan to perform a ntpdate before launching the ntp client. That sounds like the offset is possibly several seconds. I was asking about drift (frequency

Re: [ntp:questions] ntp-dev: PPS is a falseticker?

2014-06-16 Thread Rob
Paul tik-...@bodosom.net wrote: On Sun, Jun 15, 2014 at 12:11 PM, Rob nom...@example.com wrote: Did you put prefer on the PPS and not on another source? That was the complete output of ntpq. The local clock is marked prefer; it can reliably number the seconds. This is just a demonstration

Re: [ntp:questions] About use of PPS in NTP sync

2014-06-16 Thread Rob
jthul...@gmail.com jthul...@gmail.com wrote: Hello, I'm looking for a way to speed up the ntp convergence of a system which would be restarted after several days being off. Does the use of PPS improve this convergence time ? This is local configuration, with one LAN and one NTP server, with

Re: [ntp:questions] About use of PPS in NTP sync

2014-06-16 Thread Rob
jthul...@gmail.com jthul...@gmail.com wrote: Hi, the PPS signal comes from one GPS clock. At the cold start the drift could be several seconds, so we plan to perform a ntpdate before launching the ntp client. The sync accuracy we want to achieve for this particular system is below 3ms

Re: [ntp:questions] About use of PPS in NTP sync

2014-06-16 Thread David Taylor
On 16/06/2014 09:29, jthul...@gmail.com wrote: I've never used ntpdate, just the appropriate option to ntpd at startup. Is it ignore_bigtimestep yes ? Does it enable the realignment of a client with several seconds offset ? It's the -g parameter, I believe:

Re: [ntp:questions] About use of PPS in NTP sync

2014-06-16 Thread jthulard
I've never used ntpdate, just the appropriate option to ntpd at startup. Is it ignore_bigtimestep yes ? Does it enable the realignment of a client with several seconds offset ? ___ questions mailing list questions@lists.ntp.org

Re: [ntp:questions] NTP Pool Server Costs me $40/mo in Bandwidth--is

2014-06-16 Thread Terje Mathisen
David Woolley wrote: On 15/06/14 15:16, Jason Rabel wrote: On a related note, is there any way to determine if the requests are made by ntpdate vs ntpd? I realize ntpdate is depreciated but ntpdate cannot send a valid stratum or reference time. Strictly speaking it should obey the SNTP rules

Re: [ntp:questions] About use of PPS in NTP sync

2014-06-16 Thread jthulard
PPS makes the final convergence a lot faster, because it is usually being run at a high sample rate (once every 16 seconds). Watch your 'minpoll' and 'maxpoll' values. Does it mean that if I set the minpoll and maxpoll values to 4, I will have a convergence time result almost as good as

Re: [ntp:questions] About use of PPS in NTP sync

2014-06-16 Thread David Woolley
On 16/06/14 07:08, jthul...@gmail.com wrote: Hi, the PPS signal comes from one GPS clock. At the cold start the drift could be several seconds, so we plan to perform a ntpdate before launching the ntp client. The sync accuracy we want to achieve for this particular system is below 3ms

Re: [ntp:questions] About use of PPS in NTP sync

2014-06-16 Thread mike cook
The objective here of a 3ms offset is pretty conservative so I am inclined to prefer connecting the PPS clock to the NTP server if that is running all the time, and the clinet(s) are not behind old tech routers/switches. There does not appear to me to be much benefit from having the PPS

Re: [ntp:questions] About use of PPS in NTP sync

2014-06-16 Thread William Unruh
On 2014-06-16, jthul...@gmail.com jthul...@gmail.com wrote: Hello, I'm looking for a way to speed up the ntp convergence of a system which would be restarted after several days being off. Does the use of PPS improve this convergence time ? This is local configuration, with one LAN and one

Re: [ntp:questions] NTP Pool Server Costs me $40/mo in Bandwidth--is

2014-06-16 Thread Jochen Bern
On -10.01.-28163 20:59, Jason Rabel wrote: Yes, every now and then I too, like the OP, will see huge spikes in my packets received/sent that occur at or very close to an on-hour mark at particular times (like midnight or 4 am), my guess is a poor implementation in a router somewhere. I've

Re: [ntp:questions] About use of PPS in NTP sync

2014-06-16 Thread Jochen Bern
On -10.01.-28163 20:59, jthul...@gmail.com wrote: I'm looking for a way to speed up the ntp convergence of a system which would be restarted after several days being off. Since you seem concerned about additional frequency offset while the system warms up: Can you turn it on (and, say, let it

Re: [ntp:questions] About use of PPS in NTP sync

2014-06-16 Thread Rob
jthul...@gmail.com jthul...@gmail.com wrote: PPS makes the final convergence a lot faster, because it is usually being run at a high sample rate (once every 16 seconds). Watch your 'minpoll' and 'maxpoll' values. Does it mean that if I set the minpoll and maxpoll values to 4, I will have

Re: [ntp:questions] About use of PPS in NTP sync

2014-06-16 Thread Rob
Jochen Bern jochen.b...@linworks.de wrote: On -10.01.-28163 20:59, jthul...@gmail.com wrote: I'm looking for a way to speed up the ntp convergence of a system which would be restarted after several days being off. Since you seem concerned about additional frequency offset while the system

Re: [ntp:questions] Some issues about NTP ( Server 2008R2)

2014-06-16 Thread Martin Burnicki
Hi, sorry for stepping in so late, I've been on holidays with limited internet access. hschu...@gmail.com wrote: Hi! Some days ago I tried Meinberg NTP on my Server2008R2. After some security issues (administrator rights required, compatibility) NTP worked as service.. But after a while I

Re: [ntp:questions] ntp-dev: PPS is a falseticker?

2014-06-16 Thread Paul
On Mon, Jun 16, 2014 at 3:26 AM, Rob nom...@example.com wrote: Note that we do not have a local clock, only PPS. I'm starting to wonder if you simply refuse to read the documentation or you're just trolling to cause trouble. I want to use that majority vote, not one particular server. Is

Re: [ntp:questions] NTP aaccount password

2014-06-16 Thread Martin Burnicki
Hi, sorry for stepping in so late, but I've been on vacation with limited internet access. garrettbrian1...@gmail.com schrieb: I have been trying to install the Meinberg NTP build for Windows and the install is going through, yet NTP won't start because the client is saying the password is

Re: [ntp:questions] NTP aaccount password

2014-06-16 Thread Rob
Martin Burnicki martin.burni...@meinberg.de wrote: Hi, sorry for stepping in so late, but I've been on vacation with limited internet access. garrettbrian1...@gmail.com schrieb: I have been trying to install the Meinberg NTP build for Windows and the install is going through, yet NTP

Re: [ntp:questions] ntp-dev: PPS is a falseticker?

2014-06-16 Thread Rob
Paul tik-...@bodosom.net wrote: On Mon, Jun 16, 2014 at 3:26 AM, Rob nom...@example.com wrote: Note that we do not have a local clock, only PPS. I'm starting to wonder if you simply refuse to read the documentation or you're just trolling to cause trouble. To avoid further confusion, I