Re: [ntp:questions] Embedded solutions

2014-07-06 Thread detha
On Sat, 05 Jul 2014 23:37:05 +, Jaap Winius wrote: Hi folks, Has anyone here managed to turn a relatively cheap, ARM-based embedded system with a serial port into a decent stratum 1 NTP server? Thus far I've always attached my GPS and radio time signal receivers to much larger x86

Re: [ntp:questions] Thoughts on KOD

2014-07-06 Thread Rob
Harlan Stenn st...@ntp.org wrote: Discussion appreciated. I think it is best to remove KOD from ntpd. It does not serve a useful purpose, because precisely the kind of clients that you want to say goodbye to, do not support it. In real life it has either no effect at all, or it even has a

Re: [ntp:questions] Thoughts on KOD

2014-07-06 Thread Jan Ceuleers
On 07/06/2014 08:42 AM, Rob wrote: Harlan Stenn st...@ntp.org wrote: Discussion appreciated. I think it is best to remove KOD from ntpd. It does not serve a useful purpose, because precisely the kind of clients that you want to say goodbye to, do not support it. In real life it has

Re: [ntp:questions] Thoughts on KOD

2014-07-06 Thread Rob
Jan Ceuleers jan.ceule...@computer.org wrote: I recommend providing motivation for the undesired clients to stop using the server, by the server sending a regular response indicating that it is not synchronised or replying in some other way that has no timekeeping value to the offending

Re: [ntp:questions] Thoughts on KOD

2014-07-06 Thread Terje Mathisen
Rob wrote: Harlan Stenn st...@ntp.org wrote: Discussion appreciated. I think it is best to remove KOD from ntpd. It does not serve a useful purpose, because precisely the kind of clients that you want to say goodbye to, do not support it. In real life it has either no effect at all, or it

Re: [ntp:questions] Thoughts on KOD

2014-07-06 Thread Terje Mathisen
Magnus Danielson wrote: Harlan, On 07/05/2014 11:40 PM, Harlan Stenn wrote: Folks, I was chatting with PHK about: http://support.ntp.org/bin/view/Dev/NtpProtocolResponseMatrix http://bugs.ntp.org/show_bug.cgi?id=2367 and how we probably want to extend KOD coverage to more than just the

Re: [ntp:questions] Thoughts on KOD

2014-07-06 Thread Jan Ceuleers
On 07/06/2014 11:23 AM, Rob wrote: Jan Ceuleers jan.ceule...@computer.org wrote: I recommend providing motivation for the undesired clients to stop using the server, by the server sending a regular response indicating that it is not synchronised or replying in some other way that has no

Re: [ntp:questions] Thoughts on KOD

2014-07-06 Thread Magnus Danielson
On 07/06/2014 12:38 PM, Terje Mathisen wrote: Rob wrote: Harlan Stenn st...@ntp.org wrote: Discussion appreciated. I think it is best to remove KOD from ntpd. It does not serve a useful purpose, because precisely the kind of clients that you want to say goodbye to, do not support it. In

Re: [ntp:questions] Thoughts on KOD

2014-07-06 Thread detha
On Sun, 06 Jul 2014 12:28:09 +, Magnus Danielson wrote: On 07/06/2014 12:38 PM, Terje Mathisen wrote: Rob wrote: Harlan Stenn st...@ntp.org wrote: Discussion appreciated. I think it is best to remove KOD from ntpd. It does not serve a useful purpose, because precisely the kind of

Re: [ntp:questions] Embedded solutions

2014-07-06 Thread Paul
On Sun, Jul 6, 2014 at 2:25 AM, detha de...@foad.co.za wrote: Be sure to include some form of external RTC though. While sometimes useful a real time clock isn't required on a typical* S1 server. By the way, some GPS modules have an RTC which (if battery supported) will produce a reasonable

Re: [ntp:questions] Thoughts on KOD

2014-07-06 Thread Magnus Danielson
Detha, On 07/06/2014 03:23 PM, detha wrote: On Sun, 06 Jul 2014 12:28:09 +, Magnus Danielson wrote: For cases like that, KOD won't help at all. All the state table/KOD/filter rules mitigation approaches I have seen so far are limited to one server. Maybe time to take a look at a

Re: [ntp:questions] Thoughts on KOD

2014-07-06 Thread Brian Inglis
On 2014-07-05 15:40, Harlan Stenn wrote: Folks, I was chatting with PHK about: http://support.ntp.org/bin/view/Dev/NtpProtocolResponseMatrix http://bugs.ntp.org/show_bug.cgi?id=2367 and how we probably want to extend KOD coverage to more than just the limited case. I was assuming folks

Re: [ntp:questions] Embedded solutions

2014-07-06 Thread Jason Rabel
Jaap, You can skim over these past few months on the time-nuts list. There's lots of threads with discussion on ARM, Beaglebone, Rasberry Pi, etc... for GPS based NTP servers... http://www.febo.com/pipermail/time-nuts/2014-March/date.html

Re: [ntp:questions] Thoughts on KOD

2014-07-06 Thread detha
On Sun, 06 Jul 2014 16:29:27 +, Magnus Danielson wrote: Detha, On 07/06/2014 03:23 PM, detha wrote: On Sun, 06 Jul 2014 12:28:09 +, Magnus Danielson wrote: For cases like that, KOD won't help at all. All the state table/KOD/filter rules mitigation approaches I have seen so far

Re: [ntp:questions] Thoughts on KOD

2014-07-06 Thread Rob
detha de...@foad.co.za wrote: Maybe. For the moment I think it is sufficient if we provide a mechanism by which offenders gets reported to *some* system. We *could* also provide a method by which white/black-list can be dynamically set from an external source, so enough hooks exists, but I do

Re: [ntp:questions] Thoughts on KOD

2014-07-06 Thread detha
On Sun, 06 Jul 2014 18:51:16 +, Rob wrote: detha de...@foad.co.za wrote: Maybe. For the moment I think it is sufficient if we provide a mechanism by which offenders gets reported to *some* system. We *could* also provide a method by which white/black-list can be dynamically set from an

Re: [ntp:questions] Thoughts on KOD

2014-07-06 Thread Jochen Bern
On -10.01.-28163 20:59, Harlan Stenn wrote: This gets a bit more complicated when taking into consideration: - we'll get more traffic from a NAT gateway - - do we need to be able to configure a threshhold for this case? Can't say much about KOD as-is, but here's my .02 on the net-behind-NAT