an English and a Dutch Windows 2000, the short name was
Dnscache, and the long name was 'DNS Client'. Which may not say much
for the long name, but I'd guess the short name isn't.
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the comment /* Check for an empty string */. ...
The code says that already. If you need to take your readers by the hand
and spoon-feed them the comments because the code itself is a bit chunky
and hard to swallow... get better readers.
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[...] coucou.sh script. Set cron to run it every hours, on the hour.
That is inspired. We had a good laugh about that.
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solution; if you
think SpeedStep is bad, try not to imagine five VMs fighting
for cycles.
http://www.vmware.com/pdf/vmware_timekeeping.pdf
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what I've heard it's neccessary to keep it synced.
Oh yes, definitely. Sorry for the confusion.
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It may be related. The description is not enough to diagnose the problem.
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servers?
It's working *good*.
You, on the other hand, have Problems. With the cut down config file,
at least NTP is now starting, but you're not getting any traffic even
without the restrictions. Review your firewall again, this time under
the assumption that you do have one.
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to measure?
What results would change your mind either way?
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...) by installing a customised DNS server with a
pool zone advertising my own two[0] internal NTP servers and pointing
the PVR's IP settings at it, instead of the normal internal DNS.
It also appears to only ever poll the first of the two returned IP
addresses. Shame.
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While the manual is skimpy with details, it appears to run an
embedded Linux and to get its time from the Pool. I subverted the
Pool (sorry guys...) by installing a customised DNS server with a
pool
recommend not leaving your computer out in the desert at night.
And those other people should *never* see your uncorrected frequency
offset. Even loading this value from the drift file would correct
for it.
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sure that it
comes out right at the end of the day.
You'd almost think the clocks depend on 220 V really being 220 V,
rather than 50 Hz really being 50 Hz.
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only place anyone ever questioned my logging timestamps.) Of course, if
the gateway came out of a blister pack, this may not apply.
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There's an environment variable 'RANDFILE' on my system with a likely-
looking path. OTOH, it may be for PuTTY.
Thanks, Maarten. Nothing like that on Windows, it appears.
That _was_ on Windows
, but if
there are enough clients with the same behaviour, that server may
never get its backlog cleared because it's orders of magnitude
above regular traffic levels.
If the server is gone forever, you _definitely_ don't want to keep
flooding its network for all eternity.
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an isolated flock drift away together,
with a single disconnected source, rather than all of them drifting at
random.
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[...]
It's an embedded system. The one I manufacture today can have today
(or this year) in it but I'll never touch it again to change the
initial time setting. One thought I had was periodically write the
time to a
is this an NTP question or issue?
He's running into this problem _because_ he's in the Pool. That's good
enough for me.
'Liberal in what you accept.'
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than that, or you want it faster... don't turn your computer off.
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[...] my prefix is /home/joah/ntp, so the conf-files should be at
/home/joah/ntp/etc.
Definitely not. NTP is a system-wide service. Even wider, in fact;
it should not be run inside virtual machines.
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.
My firewall has a port 123 hole for the secondary server _only_
(which doesn't even use it, incidentally). The other hosts can
get time from the firewall and its slave. I'm certainly not
letting through NTP traffic for them.
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when doubling it seemed to me like it
would do that.
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, with
some work, use a non-local DNS but that's probably as far as it goes.
NTP information would not go into DNS, though, and that's as close as
this subject will ever come to saying anything NTP-related.
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load and disk I/O when crond performs its tasks.
More often disk I/O then CPU load. And then often because DMA is disabled.
Could you check that?
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be solved.
Also, the much-sought feature of re-resolving dried up associations could
be done from a cron job with ntpq/ntpdc. Determining for certain what
configuration to use might be a problem.
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without VMWare
tools installed. With adjtimex I managed to get one below 1PPM and it
now steps half a second each week; for the other one (kernel 2.0) I
didn't find or compile an adjtimex yet and it steps 2.5 seconds each
day.
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As a software guy, I've wondered before about the monolithic nature of
the NTP package. Splitting it into a client and server part might make
some people (think
is what I have at home. It's free.)
With the free version, you have to install the VMware tools in every
client, and enable 'Time synchronization between the virtual machine
and the host operating system' on the options tab. (This is on a Windows
client.)
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separating NTP client and server parts
[...] The server part would
assume or require that the clock is being disciplined by a client
implementation.
It needs to share rather more than the clock
some place where it might usefully be put.
For the servers, we have the Pool. We still _want_ that to be used,
right?
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stratum
root distance
root dispersion
system peer
local reference time
leap bits
etc.
Yes. Those are all client-part
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The client part might operate without a server, or perhaps a downgraded
server that does not serve time but only offers status monitoring.
Sure, but the server cannot operate
interval,
presumably with a simple feedback loop but without the full NTP and
its higher math other assorted magic.
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circumstances, but those same
circumstances occur outside the pool, just not as often or as pressing.
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[...] Would I really believe that the CDMA cell phone network
would care if their time signal were accurate to usec?
I would. Because IIUC, this is the basis on which they divide
timeslots between stations.
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is shortened
again.
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What do you think about the following script?
while true
do
sleep 660 # or some other value?
hwclock --utc --systohc
done
That, apart from the sleep, it would make a nice cron job.
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.
Assuming, that is, that the reference so marked is itself fine. You
haven't told us where your new NTP server is getting its time from.
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The logical end result is a distribution with three or four Pool
servers and a local clock. It falls down with multiple installations
in an isolated network, but works everywhere else. It may not be
optimal, but it's the best you can do under a wide set of
circumstances.
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setup. For a WAN
situation, it would be useless.)
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is that for monitoring purposes (_checking_ before you
accept it as known good), almost every client[0] is allowed to also run as a
server.
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[0] 'Client' in the sense of 'not _intended_ as a server'. As may have
become
obvious, the distinction between clients and servers in NTP
).
The third option is spelled '-g' on the command line that starts
the ntpd process. Read the documentation.
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. Something under an
equivalent of the /var directory might be better still but I'm not sure
what that would be. All Users/Application Data perhaps?
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Windows servers are know to be extremely bad to be used as an NTP
server and cannot be relied upon.
Even if they are running NTP?
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to all the vagaries of normal NTP life.
If the DSL connection to one server is heavily overloaded, the
offset will reflect that.
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incompetence problem of the I'm more of a people person
type.
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[0] These numbers are faked. A more realistic error is a tenth of
a second per hour.
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Using UTC internally is, I think, only true of NT, ...
Which, conveniently, is also the only Windows family that will run NTP.
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. And it might make sense for some high-end appliance
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thought I'd be picking nits about this, but isn't that a strongly
damped system? ISTR critical damping being defined as not overshooting.
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that the time served is of quite atrocious quality.
Is there any particular reason why you won't take the time from anyone?
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server 127.127.1.0
fudge 127.127.1.0 stratum 14
Cool! It works! 8-)
But there's a little problem, when I changed my ntp.conf, I have to
wait for several
simple.
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[...] Or does the PPS signal not depend
on the serial baud rate?
It's generally rigged to trigger an interrupt in the receiving
machine.
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.
As a benefit, NTP will provide diagnostic information when asked on
that same port. You may not care for it, but it allows for easy
checking that an NTP client is actually running well and where it's
getting its time from and so on.
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: after the previous procedure, they should all drift very
little, and no one significantly more than any other. The one that stays
closest to that time source you're comparing against has 'the best local
clock'. This depends mostly on temperature stability.
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and whatnot, so that when the master server goes
off-line, at best they'll shift to backup sources and at worst they will
at least drift as a group.
The clients talk to the stratum-2's, never to the stratum-1.
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My gateway runs NTP ('of course') but it's not available for public
access. Would you, in general, want to include such hosts?
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Aiming to collect and analyze data from NTP network, a survey will
be held at all hosts available for public
to,
restarting NTP is enough. If you haven't restarted the NTP daemons,
they will not have the new configuration.
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[...] I haven't restarted the
servers yet in case I need to query some more info. Do you
of 1 millisecond (0.6-1.3) and offsets are currently
*very* good, all between -1 and 1 millisecond.
What should I be doing to get 20 us? Buy all new computers with
gigabit Ethernet?
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one:
your own NTP server accidentally running into a transient 1001-second
offset and exiting. A year ago.
(Sure it's unlikely. But how do you *know*? Answer: through monitoring.)
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and still
have ntpdate, e.g. Solaris 10.
Yup. Legacy stuff doesn't go away by wishing it to. It's still a bug,
though. Ntpdate is most unlikely to get fixed; ntpd -g at least has
a chance.
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. On the other hand, if you have the intelligence to
recognise your configuration as stupid, you can probably also do
better than the Pool.
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[0] The NTP Book, that is. There is one. His Timeliness Dave Mills
wrote it.
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[0] Well, except for 127.0.0.1, but I'm not suggesting we use that.
[1] I do think that the Pool is a great idea, though.
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the number from my
street address. My brother (independently!) picked 53 for his
network, by the same mechanism[0]. We have an OpenVPN tunnel
between those networks. We have no routing problems.
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[0] And when they renumbered his house, he renumbered his
network. Okay, I
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My home network is on 192.168.27/24. I took the number from my
street address. My brother
interval is lengthened to better correct
frequency error. Not an idle pursuit.
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the UK) and via
non-reciprocal paths. Even now, it seems to be using servers from
abroad, and has no local reference clock I don't think that anyone
cared for it.
I think you're talking about your ISP's _NTP_ server(s) here.
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to build a clock
based on the PPS that is amenable to disciplining through NTP, but
if it's only for holdover during Internet outages, perhaps you'd
be more helped with a way to keep the offset down (or at least
known) between Internet outages.
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A Windows 2000 without IPv6 says 'Ordinal not found : The ordinal 3852
could not be located in the dynamic link library
says 'Ordinal not found : The ordinal 3852
could not be located in the dynamic link library LIBEAY32.dll.'
Copying the DLL into the directory didn't help, either.
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problem.
The point being, this is a not very dumb user working with what
he has, and it doesn't work. Include the DLL, already.
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] and it works.
I wouldn't trust my parents to get it working, but my sister-in-law
should be able to do it.
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[0] Or pass a parameter to the executable.
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tick, so you're certain that
the long-term frequency doesn't change.
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No idea what spread spectrum means for a clock
on the box? Who'd do such a horrible thing?)
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a well
implimented GPS clock.
ntpq -p will tell you that. And ntptrace does exactly that, climbing
the chain up from you to stratum 1.
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for this configuration. ItÂ’s possible? The
refresh it done usually, but takes a long time.
NTP does not work that way anyway, making it a meaningless way of
measuring the closeness of two clocks.
So, what is your real problem? Why do you want a five minute limit?
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4801s? I recall reading here that the 4501 was no longer
for sale, but Soekris' own website offers them.
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At a guess, it's named dispersion because it defines an interval from
x-d to x+d.
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