Re: [ntp:questions] About use of PPS in NTP sync

2014-09-03 Thread William Unruh
On 2014-09-03, Harlan Stenn st...@ntp.org wrote: Charles Elliott writes: It is possible to distribute more accurate and stable time using a local GPS device, either home built (e.g., If you are using an operating system like linux or bsd and the GPS puts out a PPS signal then yes. If windows

Re: [ntp:questions] About use of PPS in NTP sync

2014-09-03 Thread Paul
On Wed, Sep 3, 2014 at 10:30 AM, William Unruh un...@invalid.ca wrote: Without PPS, the GPS has an accuracy (delay and fluctuation) in the tens of milliseconds range Most of the time but, of course, not always. From my stable NMEA source (also using PPS): remote: oPPS(0) offset: -0.002

Re: [ntp:questions] About use of PPS in NTP sync

2014-09-02 Thread Charles Elliott
: questions-bounces+elliott.ch=comcast@lists.ntp.org [mailto:questions-bounces+elliott.ch=comcast@lists.ntp.org] On Behalf Of jthul...@gmail.com Sent: Sunday, June 15, 2014 11:30 PM To: questions@lists.ntp.org Subject: [ntp:questions] About use of PPS in NTP sync Hello, I'm

Re: [ntp:questions] About use of PPS in NTP sync

2014-09-02 Thread Harlan Stenn
Charles Elliott writes: It is possible to distribute more accurate and stable time using a local GPS device, either home built (e.g., http://www.satsignal.eu/raspberry-pi/index.html) or purchased (e.g., http://www.meinberg-usa.com/products/network-time-server.htm), but the original cost is

Re: [ntp:questions] About use of PPS in NTP sync

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jthul...@gmail.com wrote: Does it mean that if I set the minpoll and maxpoll values to 4 If you do that for external servers, they may consider that abuse. For _your_ / _your_companies_ servers it can be anything you want. For _your_ reference clocks whatever works best. -- E-Mail Sent to

Re: [ntp:questions] About use of PPS in NTP sync

2014-06-16 Thread jthulard
Hi, the PPS signal comes from one GPS clock. At the cold start the drift could be several seconds, so we plan to perform a ntpdate before launching the ntp client. The sync accuracy we want to achieve for this particular system is below 3ms offset. After the ntpdate we assume that the offset

Re: [ntp:questions] About use of PPS in NTP sync

2014-06-16 Thread Harlan Stenn
jthul...@gmail.com writes: Hi, the PPS signal comes from one GPS clock. At the cold start the drift could be several seconds, so we plan to perform a ntpdate before launching the ntp client. That sounds like the offset is possibly several seconds. I was asking about drift (frequency

Re: [ntp:questions] About use of PPS in NTP sync

2014-06-16 Thread Rob
jthul...@gmail.com jthul...@gmail.com wrote: Hello, I'm looking for a way to speed up the ntp convergence of a system which would be restarted after several days being off. Does the use of PPS improve this convergence time ? This is local configuration, with one LAN and one NTP server, with

Re: [ntp:questions] About use of PPS in NTP sync

2014-06-16 Thread Rob
jthul...@gmail.com jthul...@gmail.com wrote: Hi, the PPS signal comes from one GPS clock. At the cold start the drift could be several seconds, so we plan to perform a ntpdate before launching the ntp client. The sync accuracy we want to achieve for this particular system is below 3ms

Re: [ntp:questions] About use of PPS in NTP sync

2014-06-16 Thread David Taylor
On 16/06/2014 09:29, jthul...@gmail.com wrote: I've never used ntpdate, just the appropriate option to ntpd at startup. Is it ignore_bigtimestep yes ? Does it enable the realignment of a client with several seconds offset ? It's the -g parameter, I believe:

Re: [ntp:questions] About use of PPS in NTP sync

2014-06-16 Thread jthulard
I've never used ntpdate, just the appropriate option to ntpd at startup. Is it ignore_bigtimestep yes ? Does it enable the realignment of a client with several seconds offset ? ___ questions mailing list questions@lists.ntp.org

Re: [ntp:questions] About use of PPS in NTP sync

2014-06-16 Thread jthulard
PPS makes the final convergence a lot faster, because it is usually being run at a high sample rate (once every 16 seconds). Watch your 'minpoll' and 'maxpoll' values. Does it mean that if I set the minpoll and maxpoll values to 4, I will have a convergence time result almost as good as

Re: [ntp:questions] About use of PPS in NTP sync

2014-06-16 Thread David Woolley
On 16/06/14 07:08, jthul...@gmail.com wrote: Hi, the PPS signal comes from one GPS clock. At the cold start the drift could be several seconds, so we plan to perform a ntpdate before launching the ntp client. The sync accuracy we want to achieve for this particular system is below 3ms

Re: [ntp:questions] About use of PPS in NTP sync

2014-06-16 Thread mike cook
The objective here of a 3ms offset is pretty conservative so I am inclined to prefer connecting the PPS clock to the NTP server if that is running all the time, and the clinet(s) are not behind old tech routers/switches. There does not appear to me to be much benefit from having the PPS

Re: [ntp:questions] About use of PPS in NTP sync

2014-06-16 Thread William Unruh
On 2014-06-16, jthul...@gmail.com jthul...@gmail.com wrote: Hello, I'm looking for a way to speed up the ntp convergence of a system which would be restarted after several days being off. Does the use of PPS improve this convergence time ? This is local configuration, with one LAN and one

Re: [ntp:questions] About use of PPS in NTP sync

2014-06-16 Thread Jochen Bern
On -10.01.-28163 20:59, jthul...@gmail.com wrote: I'm looking for a way to speed up the ntp convergence of a system which would be restarted after several days being off. Since you seem concerned about additional frequency offset while the system warms up: Can you turn it on (and, say, let it

Re: [ntp:questions] About use of PPS in NTP sync

2014-06-16 Thread Rob
jthul...@gmail.com jthul...@gmail.com wrote: PPS makes the final convergence a lot faster, because it is usually being run at a high sample rate (once every 16 seconds). Watch your 'minpoll' and 'maxpoll' values. Does it mean that if I set the minpoll and maxpoll values to 4, I will have

Re: [ntp:questions] About use of PPS in NTP sync

2014-06-16 Thread Rob
Jochen Bern jochen.b...@linworks.de wrote: On -10.01.-28163 20:59, jthul...@gmail.com wrote: I'm looking for a way to speed up the ntp convergence of a system which would be restarted after several days being off. Since you seem concerned about additional frequency offset while the system

[ntp:questions] About use of PPS in NTP sync

2014-06-15 Thread jthulard
Hello, I'm looking for a way to speed up the ntp convergence of a system which would be restarted after several days being off. Does the use of PPS improve this convergence time ? This is local configuration, with one LAN and one NTP server, with about 30 NTP clients. Thank you. JT

Re: [ntp:questions] About use of PPS in NTP sync

2014-06-15 Thread Harlan Stenn
jthul...@gmail.com writes: Hello, I'm looking for a way to speed up the ntp convergence of a system which would be restarted after several days being off. Does the use of PPS improve this convergence time ? This is local configuration, with one LAN and one NTP server, with about 30 NTP

Re: [ntp:questions] About use of PPS in NTP sync

2014-06-15 Thread David Taylor
On 16/06/2014 04:29, jthul...@gmail.com wrote: Hello, I'm looking for a way to speed up the ntp convergence of a system which would be restarted after several days being off. Does the use of PPS improve this convergence time ? This is local configuration, with one LAN and one NTP server, with