Re: [ntp:questions] Indirect GPS time source options

2014-03-16 Thread Paul
On Thursday, March 13, 2014 1:52:51 PM UTC-4, Olivier Drouin wrote: Diversity is really what I'm looking for and I dont really need microsecond accuracy. I'll talk with the facility owner and do some tests with handheld GPS so I can verify what kind of signal I can get (and where). I'm not sure

Re: [ntp:questions] Indirect GPS time source options

2014-03-14 Thread E-Mail Sent to this address will be added to the BlackLists
Olivier Drouin wrote: The thing with CDMA is that it looks like it'll not be around for many years and I haven't seen any equipement for 4g, hspa, LTE, etc... IIRC, HSPA, UMB, UMTS, EVDO and EVDV are all CDMA based 3G? LTE run with GSM or CDMA? Can you get a modem with LTE, and

Re: [ntp:questions] Indirect GPS time source options

2014-03-14 Thread Jan Ceuleers
On 03/14/2014 08:12 AM, E-Mail Sent to this address will be added to the BlackLists wrote: Olivier Drouin wrote: The thing with CDMA is that it looks like it'll not be around for many years and I haven't seen any equipement for 4g, hspa, LTE, etc... IIRC, HSPA, UMB, UMTS, EVDO and EVDV

Re: [ntp:questions] Indirect GPS time source options

2014-03-13 Thread Olivier Drouin
On Wed, Mar 12, 2014 at 3:59 PM, William Unruh un...@invalid.ca wrote: On 2014-03-12, Olivier Drouin ol.dro...@gmail.com wrote: Hello, I'm located in Canada and I'm trying to find indirect GPS time sources. I like the idea of using CDMA as a time source but it seems that this

Re: [ntp:questions] Indirect GPS time source options

2014-03-13 Thread Olivier Drouin
Oops, I said It is different of GPS because if your WAN links are down, which can happen once every few years, then, hopefully, you can still reach the cellular network in your neighborhood or else its the end of the world or something... but it should read It is different from using ntp to go

Re: [ntp:questions] Indirect GPS time source options

2014-03-13 Thread William Unruh
On 2014-03-13, Olivier Drouin ol.dro...@gmail.com wrote: On Wed, Mar 12, 2014 at 3:59 PM, William Unruh un...@invalid.ca wrote: On 2014-03-12, Olivier Drouin ol.dro...@gmail.com wrote: Hello, I'm located in Canada and I'm trying to find indirect GPS time sources. I like the idea of

Re: [ntp:questions] Indirect GPS time source options

2014-03-13 Thread David Taylor
On 13/03/2014 15:24, Jochen Bern wrote: [] (Personal opinion: I just don't get why there apparently are so many hosting/housing/colo providers where you *cannot* get access to a local NTP server or other central sync source even if you threaten to throw money at them. Tamperproofness-wise, two

Re: [ntp:questions] Indirect GPS time source options

2014-03-13 Thread Olivier Drouin
: questions-bounces+gdowd=symmetricom@lists.ntp.org] On Behalf Of Olivier Drouin Sent: Thursday, March 13, 2014 7:29 AM To: William Unruh Cc: questions@lists.ntp.org Subject: Re: [ntp:questions] Indirect GPS time source options On Wed, Mar 12, 2014 at 3:59 PM, William Unruh un...@invalid.ca

Re: [ntp:questions] Indirect GPS time source options

2014-03-13 Thread William Unruh
On 2014-03-13, Hal Murray hal-use...@ip-64-139-1-69.sjc.megapath.net wrote: In article lfqeb1$m6$5...@dont-email.me, William Unruh un...@invalid.ca writes: CDMA also needs an antenna with cell tower view. What's the difference? 1/r-squared. The GPS satellites are way up in the air. A

Re: [ntp:questions] Indirect GPS time source options

2014-03-13 Thread William Unruh
On 2014-03-13, Steve Kostecke koste...@ntp.org wrote: On 2014-03-13, William Unruh un...@invalid.ca wrote: On 2014-03-13, Olivier Drouin ol.dro...@gmail.com wrote: Also, from what I understand and please correct me if I'm wrong but cellular networks are indeed designed to be accurately timed

Re: [ntp:questions] Indirect GPS time source options

2014-03-13 Thread William Unruh
=symmetricom@lists.ntp.org] On Behalf Of Olivier Drouin Sent: Thursday, March 13, 2014 7:29 AM To: William Unruh Cc: questions@lists.ntp.org Subject: Re: [ntp:questions] Indirect GPS time source options On Wed, Mar 12, 2014 at 3:59 PM, William Unruh un...@invalid.ca wrote: On 2014-03-12

Re: [ntp:questions] Indirect GPS time source options

2014-03-13 Thread Steve Kostecke
On 2014-03-13, William Unruh un...@invalid.ca wrote: Ie, you can try out the gps option with spare change. If that does not work, then you can go to the more expensive CDMA option. I have no idea how long Bell and Telus will continue their cdma offering. Rogers never used it, and all the

Re: [ntp:questions] Indirect GPS time source options

2014-03-13 Thread Brian Inglis
On 2014-03-13 11:52, Olivier Drouin wrote: Thank you Greg, Jochen, William, Great answers. Diversity is really what I'm looking for and I dont really need microsecond accuracy. CDMA seemed to be the

[ntp:questions] Indirect GPS time source options

2014-03-12 Thread Olivier Drouin
Hello, I'm located in Canada and I'm trying to find indirect GPS time sources. I like the idea of using CDMA as a time source but it seems that this technology will not be around for a lot longer. For exemple, Endrun Technologies sells the Sonoma N12 which seems to allow time

Re: [ntp:questions] Indirect GPS time source options

2014-03-12 Thread William Unruh
On 2014-03-12, Olivier Drouin ol.dro...@gmail.com wrote: Hello, I'm located in Canada and I'm trying to find indirect GPS time sources. I like the idea of using CDMA as a time source but it seems that this technology will not be around for a lot longer. What is an indirect gps

Re: [ntp:questions] Indirect GPS time source options

2014-03-12 Thread Terje Mathisen
William Unruh wrote: On 2014-03-12, Olivier Drouin ol.dro...@gmail.com wrote: Is the CDMA method still available with these other cellulare network technologies like HSPA or LTE? If not, do I have other options beside a GPS antenna with a sky view? CDMA also needs an antenna with cell tower