Re: [ntp:questions] Reasons of NTP not to use GPS source

2014-04-10 Thread David Woolley
On 10/04/14 01:20, E-Mail Sent to this address will be added to the Yes, I have several hundreds (if not thousands) that use a TI chip, that will not change the logic level, if the input does not go negative. How do they meet the requirement for unpowered control lines to appear to be

Re: [ntp:questions] Reasons of NTP not to use GPS source

2014-04-10 Thread John Hasler
David Woolley writes: How do they meet the requirement for unpowered control lines to appear to be off? If they are unpowered they will never exceed the positive threshold and therefor will never appear to be on. -- John Hasler jhas...@newsguy.com Dancing Horse Hill Elmwood, WI USA

Re: [ntp:questions] Reasons of NTP not to use GPS source

2014-04-10 Thread Paul
A remarkable amount of traffic for a question posted last September. Particularly considering voltage matching wasn't mentioned. However it doesn't matter if William Unruh has never seen level matching problems or if Null@blacklist has always seen it. If the device under test works it works and

Re: [ntp:questions] Reasons of NTP not to use GPS source

2014-04-10 Thread E-Mail Sent to this address will be added to the BlackLists
Paul wrote: However it doesn't matter if William Unruh has never seen level matching problems or if Null@blacklist has always seen it. I don't know about always, still is probably a more accurate word. I do have dozens (if not hundreds) that mostly use max232 chips, which won't drive as hard

Re: [ntp:questions] Reasons of NTP not to use GPS source

2014-04-09 Thread William Unruh
On 2014-04-08, David Lord sn...@lordynet.org wrote: On another issue, please stop using google to send your usenet posts. I've never used google Sorry, it must have been the person you were replying to. Sorry to jump on you. I use nntpd? but I possibly don't clean up the posts I'm

Re: [ntp:questions] Reasons of NTP not to use GPS source

2014-04-09 Thread William Unruh
On 2014-04-09, E-Mail Sent to this address will be added to the BlackLists Null@BlackList.Anitech-Systems.invalid wrote: On 4/8/2014 2:57 PM, William Unruh wrote: On 2014-04-08, a.everett@gmail.com wrote: Also, as previously mentioned, simply feeding a 3.3V or 5V pps output from a GPS

Re: [ntp:questions] Reasons of NTP not to use GPS source

2014-04-09 Thread E-Mail Sent to this address will be added to the BlackLists
On 4/9/2014 3:01 PM, William Unruh wrote: BlackLists wrote: The current version is TIA/EIA-232-F (circa 1997, last updated 2002?) And this is irrelevant. The question is not what the standard says but what the serial ports actually handle. Again, does anyone know of a serial port which does

Re: [ntp:questions] Reasons of NTP not to use GPS source

2014-04-08 Thread a . everett . 000
On Monday, 16 September 2013 08:00:09 UTC+1, Igor Pavlov wrote: Hi! I am using GPS-receiver based on Geos-1m chip ( http://www.geostar-navigation.com/en/navigation_05.html) I connected it to serial port and configured NTP. It becomes unused by NTP: when do ntpq -p reuest ti

Re: [ntp:questions] Reasons of NTP not to use GPS source

2014-04-08 Thread Steve Kostecke
On 2014-04-08, a.everett@gmail.com a.everett@gmail.com wrote: On Monday, 16 September 2013 08:00:09 UTC+1, Igor Pavlov wrote: [---=| Quote block shrinked by t-prot: 45 lines snipped |=---] 64.279 We find that the problem with many (not all) NMEA GPS receivers is that often too much

Re: [ntp:questions] Reasons of NTP not to use GPS source

2014-04-08 Thread William Unruh
On 2014-04-08, Steve Kostecke koste...@ntp.org wrote: On 2014-04-08, a.everett@gmail.com a.everett@gmail.com wrote: According to http://doc.ntp.org/4.2.6p5/drivers/driver20.html the NMEA driver uses the last processed sentence received during each cycle. So the simple solution is to

Re: [ntp:questions] Reasons of NTP not to use GPS source

2014-04-08 Thread William Unruh
On 2014-04-08, David Lord sn...@lordynet.org wrote: If you are lucky the serial port thresholds might be above ttl low and can be used without problem. Have you ever ( in the past 10 years) seen one that could not handle it? On another issue, please stop using google to send your usenet

Re: [ntp:questions] Reasons of NTP not to use GPS source

2014-04-08 Thread William Unruh
On 2014-04-08, a.everett@gmail.com a.everett@gmail.com wrote: Also, as previously mentioned, simply feeding a 3.3V or 5V pps output from a GPS receiver into a RS232 port will not work as the voltage levels are different. You will need a simple TTL logic to RS232 converter such as a

Re: [ntp:questions] Reasons of NTP not to use GPS source

2014-04-08 Thread David Lord
William Unruh wrote: On 2014-04-08, David Lord sn...@lordynet.org wrote: If you are lucky the serial port thresholds might be above ttl low and can be used without problem. Have you ever ( in the past 10 years) seen one that could not handle it? Hi Bill I've never tried but have specs

Re: [ntp:questions] Reasons of NTP not to use GPS source

2014-04-08 Thread E-Mail Sent to this address will be added to the BlackLists
On 4/8/2014 2:57 PM, William Unruh wrote: On 2014-04-08, a.everett@gmail.com wrote: Also, as previously mentioned, simply feeding a 3.3V or 5V pps output from a GPS receiver into a RS232 port will not work as the voltage levels are different. You will need a simple TTL logic to RS232

Re: [ntp:questions] Reasons of NTP not to use GPS source

2013-09-17 Thread Brian Inglis
On 2013-09-16 01:00, Igor Pavlov wrote: Hi! I am using GPS-receiver based on Geos-1m chip ( http://www.geostar-navigation.com/en/navigation_05.html) I connected it to serial port and configured NTP. It becomes unused by NTP: when do ntpq -p reuest ti puts x near GPS_NMEA(1) record. What

Re: [ntp:questions] Reasons of NTP not to use GPS source

2013-09-17 Thread Igor Pavlov
Thanks, Brian. I'll do all these things. Now will try to fix problem with PPS: it's level 3.3V, and serial port seems to not recognising such low level. Now playing with time2 parameter and my GPS now stoped getting x. I can't understant one thing. Should system time be fluently corrected by NTP

Re: [ntp:questions] Reasons of NTP not to use GPS source

2013-09-17 Thread David Taylor
On 17/09/2013 09:05, Igor Pavlov wrote: Thanks, Brian. I'll do all these things. Now will try to fix problem with PPS: it's level 3.3V, and serial port seems to not recognising such low level. Now playing with time2 parameter and my GPS now stoped getting x. I can't understant one thing.

Re: [ntp:questions] Reasons of NTP not to use GPS source

2013-09-17 Thread David Lord
Igor Pavlov wrote: Thanks, Brian. I'll do all these things. Now will try to fix problem with PPS: it's level 3.3V, and serial port seems to not recognising such low level. Now playing with time2 parameter and my GPS now stoped getting x. Serial ports are RS232 rather than 3.3V TTL so you

[ntp:questions] Reasons of NTP not to use GPS source

2013-09-16 Thread Igor Pavlov
Hi! I am using GPS-receiver based on Geos-1m chip ( http://www.geostar-navigation.com/en/navigation_05.html) I connected it to serial port and configured NTP. It becomes unused by NTP: when do ntpq -p reuest ti puts x near GPS_NMEA(1) record. What reasons can be for this? Example of ntpq -p

Re: [ntp:questions] Reasons of NTP not to use GPS source

2013-09-16 Thread Rob
Igor Pavlov pavlov...@gmail.com wrote: Hi! I am using GPS-receiver based on Geos-1m chip ( http://www.geostar-navigation.com/en/navigation_05.html) I connected it to serial port and configured NTP. It becomes unused by NTP: when do ntpq -p reuest ti puts x near GPS_NMEA(1) record. What

Re: [ntp:questions] Reasons of NTP not to use GPS source

2013-09-16 Thread Igor Pavlov
I already tryed to use PPS from my GPS receiver connected to DCD-pin of the same RS-232. But I had PPS also marked as x, that is why I tryed first to fix problems with NMEA-based GPS data separate from PPS. I will try to connect PPS again. But I can't understand why it is marked x? What is wrong

Re: [ntp:questions] Reasons of NTP not to use GPS source

2013-09-16 Thread Igor Pavlov
Sorry, didn't see the first part of your answer. I thought that offset - it's offset of current system time from NMEA-based info. But if system time would be set to this NMEA-based time, than offset would not be so great. Isn't it? But NTP prefer to sync to other sources - Why? 2013/9/16 Igor

Re: [ntp:questions] Reasons of NTP not to use GPS source

2013-09-16 Thread Mark C. Stephens
: questions Subject: Re: [ntp:questions] Reasons of NTP not to use GPS source Sorry, didn't see the first part of your answer. I thought that offset - it's offset of current system time from NMEA-based info. But if system time would be set to this NMEA-based time, than offset would not be so great

Re: [ntp:questions] Reasons of NTP not to use GPS source

2013-09-16 Thread Igor Pavlov
-bounces+marks=non-stop.com...@lists.ntp.org [mailto: questions-bounces+marks=non-stop.com...@lists.ntp.org] On Behalf Of Igor Pavlov Sent: Monday, 16 September 2013 5:56 PM To: Rob Cc: questions Subject: Re: [ntp:questions] Reasons of NTP not to use GPS source Sorry, didn't see the first

Re: [ntp:questions] Reasons of NTP not to use GPS source

2013-09-16 Thread Igor Pavlov
-bounces+marks=non-stop.com...@lists.ntp.org] On Behalf Of Igor Pavlov Sent: Monday, 16 September 2013 5:56 PM To: Rob Cc: questions Subject: Re: [ntp:questions] Reasons of NTP not to use GPS source Sorry, didn't see the first part of your answer. I thought that offset - it's offset of current

Re: [ntp:questions] Reasons of NTP not to use GPS source

2013-09-16 Thread David Lord
Igor Pavlov wrote: Sorry, didn't see the first part of your answer. I thought that offset - it's offset of current system time from NMEA-based info. But if system time would be set to this NMEA-based time, than offset would not be so great. Isn't it? But NTP prefer to sync to other sources -