Re: [Rd] Julia

2012-03-08 Thread oliver
environment in order to do that. Bill Dunlap Spotfire, TIBCO Software wdunlap tibco.com -Original Message- From: oliver [mailto:oli...@first.in-berlin.de] Sent: Wednesday, March 07, 2012 10:22 AM To: Dominick Samperi Cc: William Dunlap; R-devel Subject: Re: [Rd] Julia

Re: [Rd] Julia

2012-03-08 Thread oliver
reusable functions (hence packages) difficult. Bill Dunlap Spotfire, TIBCO Software wdunlap tibco.com -Original Message- From: oliver [mailto:oli...@first.in-berlin.de] Sent: Thursday, March 08, 2012 7:40 AM To: William Dunlap Cc: R-devel Subject: Re: [Rd] Julia Ah

Re: [Rd] Julia

2012-03-07 Thread Nicholas Crookston
There are many experts on this topic. I'll keep this short. Newer Fortran Languages allow for call by value, but call by reference is the typical and historically, the only approach (there was a time when you could change the value of 1 to 2!). C only calls by value except that the value can be

Re: [Rd] Julia

2012-03-07 Thread Dominick Samperi
On Tue, Mar 6, 2012 at 3:56 AM, oliver oli...@first.in-berlin.de wrote: On Mon, Mar 05, 2012 at 04:54:05PM -0800, Nicholas Crookston wrote: There are many experts on this topic.  I'll keep this short. Newer Fortran Languages allow for call by value, but call by reference is the typical and

Re: [Rd] Julia

2012-03-06 Thread oliver
On Mon, Mar 05, 2012 at 04:54:05PM -0800, Nicholas Crookston wrote: There are many experts on this topic. I'll keep this short. Newer Fortran Languages allow for call by value, but call by reference is the typical and historically, the only approach (there was a time when you could change

Re: [Rd] Julia

2012-03-06 Thread oliver
On Mon, Mar 05, 2012 at 07:33:10PM -0500, Duncan Murdoch wrote: On 12-03-05 6:58 PM, Hervé Pagès wrote: Hi Oliver, On 03/05/2012 09:08 AM, oliver wrote: On Mon, Mar 05, 2012 at 03:53:28PM +, William Dunlap wrote: I haven't used Julia yet, but from my quick reading of the docs it looks

Re: [Rd] Julia

2012-03-06 Thread oliver
On Tue, Mar 06, 2012 at 12:35:32AM +, William Dunlap wrote: [...] I find R's ( S+'s S's) copy-on-write-if-not-copying-would-be-discoverable- by-the-uer machanism for giving the allusion of pass-by-value a good way to structure the contract between the function writer and the function user.

Re: [Rd] Julia

2012-03-06 Thread Dominick Samperi
: Tuesday, March 06, 2012 1:12 AM To: William Dunlap Cc: Hervé Pagès; R-devel Subject: Re: [Rd] Julia On Tue, Mar 06, 2012 at 12:35:32AM +, William Dunlap wrote: [...] I find R's ( S+'s S's) copy-on-write-if-not-copying-would-be-discoverable- by-the-uer machanism for giving

Re: [Rd] Julia

2012-03-05 Thread William Dunlap
-devel-boun...@r-project.org] On Behalf Of oliver Sent: Friday, March 02, 2012 5:14 PM To: Douglas Bates Cc: R-devel Subject: Re: [Rd] Julia On Thu, Mar 01, 2012 at 11:06:51AM -0600, Douglas Bates wrote: My purpose in mentioning the Julia language (julialang.org) here is not to start a flame

Re: [Rd] Julia

2012-03-05 Thread oliver
On Mon, Mar 05, 2012 at 03:53:28PM +, William Dunlap wrote: I haven't used Julia yet, but from my quick reading of the docs it looks like arguments to functions are passed by reference and not by value, so functions can change their arguments. My recollection from when I first started

Re: [Rd] Julia

2012-03-05 Thread Hervé Pagès
Hi Oliver, On 03/05/2012 09:08 AM, oliver wrote: On Mon, Mar 05, 2012 at 03:53:28PM +, William Dunlap wrote: I haven't used Julia yet, but from my quick reading of the docs it looks like arguments to functions are passed by reference and not by value, so functions can change their

Re: [Rd] Julia

2012-03-05 Thread Duncan Murdoch
On 12-03-05 6:58 PM, Hervé Pagès wrote: Hi Oliver, On 03/05/2012 09:08 AM, oliver wrote: On Mon, Mar 05, 2012 at 03:53:28PM +, William Dunlap wrote: I haven't used Julia yet, but from my quick reading of the docs it looks like arguments to functions are passed by reference and not by

Re: [Rd] Julia

2012-03-02 Thread oliver
On Thu, Mar 01, 2012 at 11:06:51AM -0600, Douglas Bates wrote: My purpose in mentioning the Julia language (julialang.org) here is not to start a flame war. I find it to be a very interesting development and others who read this list may want to read about it too. [...] Very interesting

[Rd] Julia

2012-03-01 Thread Douglas Bates
My purpose in mentioning the Julia language (julialang.org) here is not to start a flame war. I find it to be a very interesting development and others who read this list may want to read about it too. It is still very much early days for this language - about the same stage as R was in 1995 or

Re: [Rd] Julia

2012-03-01 Thread Jeffrey Ryan
Doug, Agreed on the interesting point - looks like it has some real promise. I think the spike in interest could be attributable to Mike Loukides's tweet on Feb 20. (editor at O'Reilly) https://twitter.com/#!/mikeloukides/status/171773229407551488 That is exactly the moment I stumbled upon it.

Re: [Rd] Julia

2012-03-01 Thread Douglas Bates
On Thu, Mar 1, 2012 at 11:20 AM, Jeffrey Ryan jeffrey.r...@lemnica.com wrote: Doug, Agreed on the interesting point - looks like it has some real promise.  I think the spike in interest could be attributable to Mike Loukides's tweet on Feb 20. (editor at O'Reilly)

Re: [Rd] Julia

2012-03-01 Thread Kjetil Halvorsen
Can somebody postb a link to the video? I cant find it, searching Julia on youtube stanford channel gives nothing. Kjetil On Thu, Mar 1, 2012 at 11:37 AM, Douglas Bates ba...@stat.wisc.edu wrote: On Thu, Mar 1, 2012 at 11:20 AM, Jeffrey Ryan jeffrey.r...@lemnica.com wrote: Doug, Agreed on

Re: [Rd] Julia

2012-03-01 Thread Ted Harding
http://julialang.org/blog Then click on Stanford Talk Video. Then click on available here. Ted. On 01-Mar-2012 Kjetil Halvorsen wrote: Can somebody postb a link to the video? I cant find it, searching Julia on youtube stanford channel gives nothing. Kjetil On Thu, Mar 1, 2012 at 11:37