Re: [R] lme and lmer df's and F-statistics again

2008-10-09 Thread Julia S.
Hi Peter, thanks a lot for your help. Very much appreciated. Cheers, Julia Peter Dalgaard wrote: Julia S. wrote: Hi there, thanks for your help. I did read Bates statement several times, and I am very glad and thankful that many statisticians spend much time on this. The problem

Re: [R] lme and lmer df's and F-statistics again

2008-10-08 Thread Julia S.
Hm. Bert Gunter wrote: that even the most technical aspects of the discipline can be made manifest to anyone with half a brain and a stat 101 course under their belt. I don't think this is something I can use in a rebuttal. The reviewer may be offended and reviewers are people one does

Re: [R] lme and lmer df's and F-statistics again

2008-10-08 Thread Julia S.
Hi there, thanks for your help. I did read Bates statement several times, and I am very glad and thankful that many statisticians spend much time on this. The problem is, as Dieter pointed it out, that many end users often have to use statistics without being able to fully understand the math

[R] lme and lmer df's and F-statistics again

2008-10-06 Thread Julia S.
Dear R-users, I did do a thorough search and read many articles and forum threads on the lme and lmer methods and their pitfalls and problems. I, being not a good statistician but a mere user, came to the conclusion that the most correct form of reporting statistics for a mixed linear model