Re: [R] licensing of R packages

2008-11-15 Thread Berwin A Turlach
G'day Duncan, On Fri, 14 Nov 2008 15:24:03 -0500 Duncan Murdoch [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Moreover, if you write a C/C++ program that makes use of GNU extensions, you'd be in violation of the GPL if you were to distribute it without GPLing it. Even the FSF doesn't believe that:

[R] licensing of R packages

2008-11-14 Thread Carlos Ungil
: it states that R is released under the GNU General Public License (GPL), without specifying the version and linking to http://www.gnu.org/copyleft/gpl.html (GPLv3). However, the COPYING file in the R directory corresponds to GPL2. -- View this message in context: http://www.nabble.com/licensing-of-R

Re: [R] licensing of R packages

2008-11-14 Thread Barry Rowlingson
2008/11/14 Duncan Murdoch [EMAIL PROTECTED]: Another question is if that strict interpretation of the GPL could be actually enforced, of course. Coming back to the GSL example, it seems a more flagrant violation of the license is already happening: http://www.numerit.com/gsl.htm (apparently

Re: [R] licensing of R packages

2008-11-14 Thread Duncan Murdoch
Barry Rowlingson wrote: 2008/11/14 Duncan Murdoch [EMAIL PROTECTED]: Another question is if that strict interpretation of the GPL could ... Actually Carlos asked that question, not me. Duncan Murdoch be actually enforced, of course. Coming back to the GSL example, it seems a

Re: [R] licensing of R packages

2008-11-14 Thread Prof Brian Ripley
On Fri, 14 Nov 2008, Duncan Murdoch wrote: On 14/11/2008 4:42 AM, Carlos Ungil wrote: I know the standard answer to this kind of question is get legal advice from a lawyer, but I would like to hear the (hopefully informed) opinion of other people. I would say that, according to the FSF's

Re: [R] licensing of R packages

2008-11-14 Thread Prof Brian Ripley
On Fri, 14 Nov 2008, Carlos Ungil wrote: [...] PS: By the way, I think FAQ 2.11 should be fixed: it states that R is released under the GNU General Public License (GPL), without specifying the version and linking to http://www.gnu.org/copyleft/gpl.html (GPLv3). However, the COPYING file in the

Re: [R] licensing of R packages

2008-11-14 Thread Carlos Ungil
, Carlos [*] this is not the case for all the recommended packages in the distribution -- View this message in context: http://www.nabble.com/licensing-of-R-packages-tp20497391p20503264.html Sent from the R help mailing list archive at Nabble.com. __ R-help

Re: [R] licensing of R packages

2008-11-14 Thread Berwin A Turlach
G'day Bazza, On Fri, 14 Nov 2008 11:07:11 + Barry Rowlingson [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: A strict interpretation of the GPL does not stop numerit from doing what they do. They do not distribute the GSL in any form. They tell you to go get the GSL dll from somewhere. This misconception

Re: [R] licensing of R packages

2008-11-14 Thread Duncan Murdoch
On 11/14/2008 11:01 AM, Berwin A Turlach wrote: G'day Bazza, On Fri, 14 Nov 2008 11:07:11 + Barry Rowlingson [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: A strict interpretation of the GPL does not stop numerit from doing what they do. They do not distribute the GSL in any form. They tell you to go get the

Re: [R] licensing of R packages

2008-11-14 Thread Berwin A Turlach
G'day Brian, On Fri, 14 Nov 2008 11:47:46 + (GMT) Prof Brian Ripley [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Fri, 14 Nov 2008, Duncan Murdoch wrote: I think they are talking about cases where the GPL libraries are compiled into the new product. Packages generally don't include copies of anything

Re: [R] licensing of R packages

2008-11-14 Thread Carlos Ungil
a court would decide, but if you want to test the limits of the GPL license I would avoid challenging a GNU project :-) Cheers, Carlos -- View this message in context: http://www.nabble.com/licensing-of-R-packages-tp20497391p20504401.html Sent from the R help mailing list archive at Nabble.com

Re: [R] licensing of R packages

2008-11-14 Thread Peter Dalgaard
Berwin A Turlach wrote: IIRC, it was exactly this clause, that credits have to be kept, that made the original BSD license a GPL-incompatible Free Software License. I think not. Rather it was the advertising clause that 3. All advertising materials mentioning features or use of this

Re: [R] licensing of R packages

2008-11-14 Thread Berwin A Turlach
G'day Duncan, On Fri, 14 Nov 2008 11:16:35 -0500 Duncan Murdoch [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On 11/14/2008 11:01 AM, Berwin A Turlach wrote: But I remember that a situation as you describe was hotly debated on gnu.misc.discuss in the mid-90s; thus, I am talking obviously GPL 2. Unfortunately

Re: [R] licensing of R packages

2008-11-14 Thread Duncan Murdoch
On 11/14/2008 12:07 PM, Berwin A Turlach wrote: G'day Duncan, On Fri, 14 Nov 2008 11:16:35 -0500 Duncan Murdoch [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On 11/14/2008 11:01 AM, Berwin A Turlach wrote: But I remember that a situation as you describe was hotly debated on gnu.misc.discuss in the mid-90s;

Re: [R] licensing of R packages

2008-11-14 Thread Berwin A Turlach
G'day Duncan, On Fri, 14 Nov 2008 12:36:15 -0500 Duncan Murdoch [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On 11/14/2008 11:57 AM, Carlos Ungil wrote: And the copyright owners have recourse to legal action if they think there is a license violation. Again, I don't know what a court would decide, but if

Re: [R] licensing of R packages

2008-11-14 Thread Duncan Murdoch
On 11/14/2008 1:14 PM, Berwin A Turlach wrote: G'day Duncan, On Fri, 14 Nov 2008 12:36:15 -0500 Duncan Murdoch [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On 11/14/2008 11:57 AM, Carlos Ungil wrote: And the copyright owners have recourse to legal action if they think there is a license violation. Again, I

Re: [R] licensing of R packages

2008-11-14 Thread Berwin A Turlach
G'day Duncan, On Fri, 14 Nov 2008 13:37:20 -0500 Duncan Murdoch [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: What is so special about binaries? First, with binaries it is (presumably) easier to define when one piece of software is part of another. Secondly, I presume that the software that started this thread

Re: [R] licensing of R packages

2008-11-14 Thread Duncan Murdoch
On 11/14/2008 11:57 AM, Carlos Ungil wrote: Barry Rowlingson wrote: This misconception of the license terms comes about because of the use of the word 'use'. If I distribute a short C program that has a call in it to a function that has the same name as something in the GSL, does my C program

Re: [R] licensing of R packages

2008-11-14 Thread Duncan Murdoch
On 11/14/2008 2:15 PM, Berwin A Turlach wrote: G'day Duncan, On Fri, 14 Nov 2008 13:37:20 -0500 Duncan Murdoch [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: What is so special about binaries? First, with binaries it is (presumably) easier to define when one piece of software is part of another. Secondly, I

Re: [R] licensing of R packages

2008-11-14 Thread Carlos Ungil
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