Re: [R] Non-normal residuals.

2009-11-12 Thread tomreilly
Kevin, Kudos to you for asking a question that most do not I have attached an analysis of your residuals for 10 inch called 10inchres.zip. I have also attached our analysis as 10inches.zip. I have posted some reports for you and added some commentary to help you understand this all fully.

Re: [R] Non-normal residuals.

2009-10-29 Thread Karl Ove Hufthammer
On Wed, 28 Oct 2009 14:48:34 -0700 Bert Gunter gunter.ber...@gene.com wrote: If generalities -- with the attendant risk of occasional specific caveats and violations -- can be tolerated, then George Box's (paraphrased) comments of circa 40-50 years ago seem apropos: why do statisticians obsess

Re: [R] Non-normal residuals.

2009-10-28 Thread Karl Ove Hufthammer
On Tue, 27 Oct 2009 18:06:02 -0400 Ben Bolker bol...@ufl.edu wrote: If transforming your data brings you closer to satisfying the assumptions of your analytic methods and having a sensible analysis, then that's good. If it makes things worse, that's bad. Other choices, depending on the

Re: [R] Non-normal residuals.

2009-10-28 Thread David Scott
Karl Ove Hufthammer wrote: On Tue, 27 Oct 2009 18:06:02 -0400 Ben Bolker bol...@ufl.edu wrote: If transforming your data brings you closer to satisfying the assumptions of your analytic methods and having a sensible analysis, then that's good. If it makes things worse, that's bad. Other

Re: [R] Non-normal residuals.

2009-10-28 Thread Ravi Varadhan
-Original Message- From: r-help-boun...@r-project.org [mailto:r-help-boun...@r-project.org] On Behalf Of David Scott Sent: Wednesday, October 28, 2009 6:26 AM To: Karl Ove Hufthammer Cc: r-h...@stat.math.ethz.ch Subject: Re: [R] Non-normal residuals. Karl Ove Hufthammer wrote

Re: [R] Non-normal residuals.

2009-10-28 Thread Kjetil Halvorsen
On Wed, Oct 28, 2009 at 7:25 AM, David Scott d.sc...@auckland.ac.nz wrote: Karl Ove Hufthammer wrote: On Tue, 27 Oct 2009 18:06:02 -0400 Ben Bolker bol...@ufl.edu wrote:  If transforming your data brings you closer to satisfying the assumptions of your analytic methods and having a sensible

Re: [R] Non-normal residuals.

2009-10-28 Thread David Scott
Kjetil Halvorsen wrote: On Wed, Oct 28, 2009 at 7:25 AM, David Scott d.sc...@auckland.ac.nz wrote: Karl Ove Hufthammer wrote: On Tue, 27 Oct 2009 18:06:02 -0400 Ben Bolker bol...@ufl.edu wrote: If transforming your data brings you closer to satisfying the assumptions of your analytic methods

Re: [R] Non-normal residuals.

2009-10-28 Thread Bert Gunter
...@stat.math.ethz.ch Subject: Re: [R] Non-normal residuals. Kjetil Halvorsen wrote: On Wed, Oct 28, 2009 at 7:25 AM, David Scott d.sc...@auckland.ac.nz wrote: Karl Ove Hufthammer wrote: On Tue, 27 Oct 2009 18:06:02 -0400 Ben Bolker bol...@ufl.edu wrote: If transforming your data brings you closer

Re: [R] Non-normal residuals.

2009-10-28 Thread Rolf Turner
On 29/10/2009, at 10:48 AM, Bert Gunter wrote: Folks: If generalities -- with the attendant risk of occasional specific caveats and violations -- can be tolerated, then George Box's (paraphrased) comments of circa 40-50 years ago seem apropos: why do statisticians obsess over

Re: [R] Non-normal residuals.

2009-10-28 Thread Bert Gunter
, October 28, 2009 3:24 PM To: Bert Gunter Cc: R help Subject: Re: [R] Non-normal residuals. On 29/10/2009, at 10:48 AM, Bert Gunter wrote: Folks: If generalities -- with the attendant risk of occasional specific caveats and violations -- can be tolerated, then George Box's (paraphrased

[R] Non-normal residuals.

2009-10-27 Thread rkevinburton
Hello, I asked a question about what the most likely process to follow if after a time-series fit is performed the residuals are found to be non-normal. One peron responded and offered to help if I supplied a sample data set. Unfortunately now that I have a sample I have lost the emai

Re: [R] Non-normal residuals.

2009-10-27 Thread Ben Bolker
rkevinburton wrote: Hello, I asked a question about what the most likely process to follow if after a time-series fit is performed the residuals are found to be non-normal. One peron responded and offered to help if I supplied a sample data set. Unfortunately now that I have a sample I

Re: [R] Non-normal residuals.

2009-10-27 Thread Ben Bolker
[Taking the liberty of posting back to r-help] I'd be curious what the particular objections were. I have one of those annoying it depends answers. In general, transformation can (1) change [(de)stabilize] variance across groups/gradients; (2) (non)normalize residuals; (3) change