Re: [R] Question regarding significance of a covariate in a coxme survival model

2010-09-05 Thread Teresa Iglesias
David Winsemius wrote: That is different than my understanding of AIC. I thought that the AIC and BIC both took as input the difference in -2LL and then adjusted those differences for the differences in number of degrees of freedom. David! Your words make sense to me now. Sorry

Re: [R] Question regarding significance of a covariate in a coxme survival

2010-08-31 Thread Norm Matloff
In 2010-08-30, C. Peng button...@hotmail.com wrote: What statistical measure(s) tend to be answering ALL(?) question of practical interest? None. All I had said was that significance testing doesn't really answer any questions of practical interest. Unfortunately, that doesn't mean there's

Re: [R] Question regarding significance of a covariate in a coxme survival

2010-08-30 Thread C. Peng
What statistical measure(s) tend to be answering ALL(?) question of practical interest? -- View this message in context: http://r.789695.n4.nabble.com/Re-Question-regarding-significance-of-a-covariate-in-a-coxme-survival-tp2399386p2399577.html Sent from the R help mailing list archive at

Re: [R] Question regarding significance of a covariate in a coxme survival model

2010-08-29 Thread C. Peng
The likelihood ratio test is more reliable when one model is nested in the other. This true for your case. AIC/SBC are usually used when two models are in a hiearchical structure. Please also note that any decision made made based on AIC/SBC scores are very subjective since no sampling

Re: [R] Question regarding significance of a covariate in a coxme survival model

2010-08-29 Thread Cheng Peng
The likelihood ratio test is more reliable when one model is nested in the other. This true for your case. AIC/SBC are usually used when two models are in a hiearchical structure. Please also note that any decision made made based on AIC/SBC scores are very subjective since no sampling

Re: [R] Question regarding significance of a covariate in a coxme survival model

2010-08-29 Thread Cheng Peng
My suggestion: If compare model 1 and model 2 with model 0 respectively, the (penalized) likelihood ratio test is valid. IF you compare model 2 with model 3, the (penalized) likelihood ratio test is invalid. You may want to use AIC/SBC to make a subjective decision. -- View this message in

Re: [R] Question regarding significance of a covariate in a coxme survival model

2010-08-29 Thread C. Peng
My suggestion for Teresa: If compare model 1 and model 2 with model 0 respectively, the (penalized) likelihood ratio test is valid. IF you compare model 2 with model 3, the (penalized) likelihood ratio test is invalid. You may want to use AIC/SBC to make a subjective decision. -- View this

Re: [R] Question regarding significance of a covariate in a coxme survival

2010-08-29 Thread Norm Matloff
Using a p-value to make any kind of decision is questionable to begin with, and especially unreliable in choosing covariates in regression. Old studies, e.g. by Walls and Weeks and by Bendel and Afifi, have shown that if predictive ability is the criterion of interest and one wishes to use

Re: [R] Question regarding significance of a covariate in a coxme survival

2010-08-29 Thread cheng peng
What statistical measure(s) tend to be answering ALL(?) question of practical interest? -- View this message in context: http://r.789695.n4.nabble.com/Re-Question-regarding-significance-of-a-covariate-in-a-coxme-survival-tp2399386p2399524.html Sent from the R help mailing list archive at

Re: [R] Question regarding significance of a covariate in a coxme survival model

2010-08-28 Thread Teresa Iglesias
Christopher David Desjardins desja004 at umn.edu writes: Hi, I am running a Cox Mixed Effects Hazard model using the library coxme. I am trying to model time to onset (age_sym1) of thought problems (e.g. hearing voices) (sym1). As I have siblings in my dataset, I have decided to

Re: [R] Question regarding significance of a covariate in a coxme survival model

2010-08-28 Thread David Winsemius
On Aug 27, 2010, at 4:32 PM, Teresa Iglesias wrote: Christopher David Desjardins desja004 at umn.edu writes: Hi, I am running a Cox Mixed Effects Hazard model using the library coxme. I am trying to model time to onset (age_sym1) of thought problems (e.g. hearing voices) (sym1). As I

Re: [R] Question regarding significance of a covariate in a coxme survival model

2010-08-28 Thread Teresa Iglesias
On Sat, Aug 28, 2010 at 8:38 PM, David Winsemius dwinsem...@comcast.netwrote: On Aug 27, 2010, at 4:32 PM, Teresa Iglesias wrote: Christopher David Desjardins desja004 at umn.edu writes: Hi, I am running a Cox Mixed Effects Hazard model using the library coxme. I am trying to model time

[R] Question regarding significance of a covariate in a coxme survival model

2010-08-04 Thread Christopher David Desjardins
Hi, I am running a Cox Mixed Effects Hazard model using the library coxme. I am trying to model time to onset (age_sym1) of thought problems (e.g. hearing voices) (sym1). As I have siblings in my dataset, I have decided to account for this by including a random effect for family (famid). My