Re: [R] Recursive partitioning algorithms in R vs. alia

2009-06-23 Thread jude.ryan
...@datanalytics.com Cc: r-help@r-project.org Subject: Re: [R] Recursive partitioning algorithms in R vs. alia A point of history: Both the commercial CART program and the rpart() function are based on the book Classification and Regression Trees (Breiman, Friedman, Olshen, Stone, 1984). As a reader

Re: [R] Recursive partitioning algorithms in R vs. alia

2009-06-23 Thread Terry Therneau
A point of history: Both the commercial CART program and the rpart() function are based on the book Classification and Regression Trees (Breiman, Friedman, Olshen, Stone, 1984). As a reader/commentator on one of the early drafts I got to know the material well. CART started as a large Fortr

Re: [R] Recursive partitioning algorithms in R vs. alia

2009-06-22 Thread jude.ryan
I have used all 3 packages for decision trees (SAS/EM, CART and R). As another user on the list commented, the algorithms CART uses are proprietary. I also know that since the algorithms are proprietary, the decision tree that you get from SAS is based on a "slightly different" algorithm so as to n

Re: [R] Recursive partitioning algorithms in R vs. alia

2009-06-19 Thread Tobias Verbeke
Wensui Liu wrote: well, how difficult to code random forest with sas macro + proc split? if you are lack of sas programming skill, then you are correct that you have to wait for 8 years :-) It is true one can use the macro language to obtain some control flow the plain SAS language and its PR

Re: [R] Recursive partitioning algorithms in R vs. alia

2009-06-19 Thread Wensui Liu
well, how difficult to code random forest with sas macro + proc split? if you are lack of sas programming skill, then you are correct that you have to wait for 8 years :-) i don't know how much sas experience you have. as far as i know, both bagging and boosting have been implemented in sas em for

Re: [R] Recursive partitioning algorithms in R vs. alia

2009-06-19 Thread Tobias Verbeke
Wensui Liu wrote: in terms of the richness of features and ability to handle large data(which is normal in bank), SAS EM should be on top of others. Should be ? That is not at all my experience. SAS EM is very much lagging behind current research. You will find variants of random forests in R

Re: [R] Recursive partitioning algorithms in R vs. alia

2009-06-19 Thread Wensui Liu
in terms of the richness of features and ability to handle large data(which is normal in bank), SAS EM should be on top of others. however, it is not cheap. in terms of algorithm, split procedure in sas em can do chaid/cart/c4.5, if i remember correctly. On Fri, Jun 19, 2009 at 2:35 PM, Carlos J.

Re: [R] Recursive partitioning algorithms in R vs. alia

2009-06-19 Thread Peter Flom
"Carlos J. Gil Bellosta" wrote > >I had a conversation with a guy working in a "business intelligence" >department at a major Spanish bank. They rely on recursive partitioning >methods to rank customers according to certain criteria. > >They use both SAS EM and Salford Systems' CART. I have used

[R] Recursive partitioning algorithms in R vs. alia

2009-06-19 Thread Carlos J. Gil Bellosta
Dear R-helpers, I had a conversation with a guy working in a "business intelligence" department at a major Spanish bank. They rely on recursive partitioning methods to rank customers according to certain criteria. They use both SAS EM and Salford Systems' CART. I have used package R part in the