Re: [R] generalized linear mixed models with a beta distribution

2009-02-26 Thread Ben Bolker
Jeff Evans-5 wrote: > > > lme4 does have a leg up on GLIMMIX in other areas, though. > The latest SAS release (9.2) is now able to compute the Laplace > approximation of the likelihood, but it will only fit an overdispersion > parameter using pseudo-likelihoods which can't be used for model >

Re: [R] generalized linear mixed models with a beta distribution

2009-02-26 Thread dave fournier
You can fit this kind of model (and negative binomial) and more difficult mixed models with AD Model Builder's random effects module which is now freely available at http://admb-project.org/ -- David A. Fournier P.O. Box 2040, Sidney, B.C. V8l 3S3 Canada Phone/FAX 250-655-3364 http://ott

Re: [R] generalized linear mixed models with a beta distribution

2009-02-26 Thread Jeff Evans
com] On Behalf Of Douglas Bates Sent: Thursday, February 26, 2009 3:50 PM To: Jeff Evans Cc: r-help@r-project.org Subject: Re: [R] generalized linear mixed models with a beta distribution On Thu, Feb 26, 2009 at 12:04 PM, Jeff Evans wrote: > Has there been any follow up to this question? I have

Re: [R] generalized linear mixed models with a beta distribution

2009-02-26 Thread Douglas Bates
On Thu, Feb 26, 2009 at 12:04 PM, Jeff Evans wrote: > Has there been any follow up to this question? I have found myself wondering > the same thing: How then does SAS fit a beta distributed GLMM? It also fits > the negative binomial distribution. When SAS decides to open-source their code we'll b

[R] generalized linear mixed models with a beta distribution

2009-02-26 Thread Jeff Evans
Has there been any follow up to this question? I have found myself wondering the same thing: How then does SAS fit a beta distributed GLMM? It also fits the negative binomial distribution. Both of these would be useful in glmer/lmer if they aren't 'illegal' as Brian suggested. Especially as SAS i

Re: [R] generalized linear mixed models with a beta distribution [Sec=Unclassified]

2008-03-16 Thread Simon Blomberg
See this post: http://finzi.psych.upenn.edu/R/Rhelp02a/archive/7144.html Cheers, Simon. On Mon, 2008-03-17 at 17:04 +1100, Steve Candy wrote: > > Craig A Faulhaber wrote: > > > > >I am interested in using a generalized linear mixed model with data > > > that best fits a beta distribution

Re: [R] generalized linear mixed models with a beta distribution [Sec=Unclassified]

2008-03-16 Thread Steve Candy
Craig A Faulhaber wrote: >I am interested in using a generalized linear mixed model with data > that best fits a beta distribution (i.e., the data is bounded between > 0 and 1 but is not binomial). .. >For clarification, here's what I'm trying to model: >I have a beta-distributed resp

Re: [R] generalized linear mixed models with a beta distribution

2008-03-13 Thread Craig A Faulhaber
Thanks for the tips and clarifications. I'm a newbie and don't always have the terminology down correctly. My understanding is that one should be able to use generalized linear mixed models to model response variables that take any of the exponential family of distributions. The beta distrib

Re: [R] generalized linear mixed models with a beta distribution

2008-03-12 Thread Prof Brian Ripley
glmmPQL can fit the same GLM families as glm() can -- it does not list _any_ . Howver, the beta distribution does not give a GLM family and hence your subject line is strictly about a non-existent concept. I'm presuming that you want to model the logit of the mean of a beta by a random effects

[R] generalized linear mixed models with a beta distribution

2008-03-12 Thread Craig A Faulhaber
Greetings, I am interested in using a generalized linear mixed model with data that best fits a beta distribution (i.e., the data is bounded between 0 and 1 but is not binomial). I noticed that the beta distribution is not listed as an option in the "family objects" for glmmPQL or lmer. I f