Re: [R] please please unsubscribe!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

2014-12-01 Thread Martin Maechler
> Ranjan Maitra > on Mon, 1 Dec 2014 08:47:02 -0600 writes: > Well, we can start with the footer and then see how many "unsubscribe" messages continue to come R-help's way. Then, if it is not making an appreciable difference, we can look into putting it in the top. > Btw, I

Re: [R] please please unsubscribe!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

2014-12-01 Thread John Sorkin
Can the Gods of the mailing list please end this long email thread? All that needs to be done is to add an unsubscribe link to messages sent by the server. If this is technically feasible, please do it. If it is not let us know so we can get on to other issues! John John David Sorkin M.D., Ph.

Re: [R] please please unsubscribe!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

2014-12-01 Thread Ranjan Maitra
Well, we can start with the footer and then see how many "unsubscribe" messages continue to come R-help's way. Then, if it is not making an appreciable difference, we can look into putting it in the top. Btw, I have seen mailing list e-mails elsewhere with an unsubscribe line at the top. I don'

Re: [R] please please unsubscribe!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

2014-12-01 Thread Duncan Murdoch
On 01/12/2014 9:15 AM, Martin Maechler wrote: Thank you for all the thoughts about alleviating these problems, both to us and the "newbies" (or otherwise e-mail clueless subscribers). > Ranjan Maitra > on Sun, 30 Nov 2014 20:37:22 -0600 writes: > Following on Rich and Peter, i

Re: [R] please please unsubscribe!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

2014-12-01 Thread Jeff Newmiller
I disagree that this message belongs at the top... That is rare in bulk mail I receive, and seems unnecessarily intrusive. Addition of the word "Unsubscribe" to clarify the function of the link seems in line with current use. ---

Re: [R] please please unsubscribe!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

2014-12-01 Thread Martin Maechler
Thank you for all the thoughts about alleviating these problems, both to us and the "newbies" (or otherwise e-mail clueless subscribers). > Ranjan Maitra > on Sun, 30 Nov 2014 20:37:22 -0600 writes: > Following on Rich and Peter, is it practical for the list to put it at the top

Re: [R] please please unsubscribe!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

2014-12-01 Thread Rainer M Krug
Top post as new thought: I just searched the archives, and there are less then 1000 emails about unsubscribing since 2003. There are more then 70% (guess) which have nothing to do with unsubscription, and about 19 (plus this one) mails in this thread... Counting the poccurrance of "unsubscribe" i

Re: [R] please please unsubscribe!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

2014-11-30 Thread Ranjan Maitra
Following on Rich and Peter, is it practical for the list to put it at the top then, before the R-message? Something like: TO UNSUBSCRIBE from the list: see https://stat.ethz.ch/mailman/listinfo/r-help And then continue on for each R message. Because top-posting has pretty much taken over, the

Re: [R] please please unsubscribe!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

2014-11-30 Thread Rich Shepard
On Sun, 30 Nov 2014, peter dalgaard wrote: (a) would people actually take the hint, whatever we put in the footer? Only some actually read everything and look for help at the bottom of the message. Since Microsoft users almost always top post I wonder if they even see the bottom of a message

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2014-11-30 Thread peter dalgaard
> On 30 Nov 2014, at 16:51 , Fábio Magalhães wrote: > > Duncan, > > You are right, I've assumed precedence wouldn't break anything, but > looking a little more into this issue it seems some people use filters > based on this header and Gmail seems to be the only client that needs > bulk precede

Re: [R] please please unsubscribe!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

2014-11-30 Thread Fábio Magalhães
Duncan, You are right, I've assumed precedence wouldn't break anything, but looking a little more into this issue it seems some people use filters based on this header and Gmail seems to be the only client that needs bulk precedence set to make unsubscribe link work. I think the question boils do

Re: [R] please please unsubscribe!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

2014-11-30 Thread Duncan Murdoch
On 30/11/2014, 9:56 AM, Fábio Magalhães wrote: > My bad, r-help messages indeed have the unsubscribe header set. Also, > at least for Gmail a "Precedence: bulk" should be set in order to this > mechanism to work, as Henrik pointed out. > > Currently the raw headers set precedence to "list". I don'

Re: [R] please please unsubscribe!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

2014-11-30 Thread Jeff Newmiller
ne >Kingston ON Canada > > >> -Original Message- >> From: i...@aghmed.fsnet.co.uk >> Sent: Sun, 30 Nov 2014 14:02:12 +0000 >> To: jsor...@grecc.umaryland.edu, h...@biostat.ucsf.edu >> Subject: Re: [R] please please unsubscribe >> >

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2014-11-30 Thread Henrik Bengtsson
t; Kingston ON Canada > > > > -Original Message- > > From: i...@aghmed.fsnet.co.uk > > Sent: Sun, 30 Nov 2014 14:02:12 + > > To: jsor...@grecc.umaryland.edu, h...@biostat.ucsf.edu > > Subject: Re: [R] please please unsubscribe > >

Re: [R] please please unsubscribe!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

2014-11-30 Thread Fábio Magalhães
My bad, r-help messages indeed have the unsubscribe header set. Also, at least for Gmail a "Precedence: bulk" should be set in order to this mechanism to work, as Henrik pointed out. Currently the raw headers set precedence to "list". I don't know the technical differences of list and bulk, so may

Re: [R] please please unsubscribe!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

2014-11-30 Thread Ranjan Maitra
I agree with this sentiment and suggestion. I can not see much of a downside to it, with the exception that most of these "unsophisticated" users will probably not even bother reading it. But then we would all be back in the current situation, not worse. Ranjan On Sat, 29 Nov 2014 21:58:23 -05

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2014-11-30 Thread John Kane
> Sent: Sun, 30 Nov 2014 14:02:12 + > To: jsor...@grecc.umaryland.edu, h...@biostat.ucsf.edu > Subject: Re: [R] please please unsubscribe > > Dear John > > Perhaps you have set your mail client to hide them? Your email certainly > has them whe

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2014-11-30 Thread Michael Dewey
Dear John Perhaps you have set your mail client to hide them? Your email certainly has them when I go Options | View | Headers | All in Thunderbird. Michael On 30/11/2014 12:05, John Sorkin wrote: The headers listed below as being part of the ״raw" email messages are not seen, at least not i

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2014-11-30 Thread John Sorkin
The headers listed below as being part of the ״raw" email messages are not seen, at least not in the messages I receive. John > John David Sorkin M.D., Ph.D. > Professor of Medicine > Chief, Biostatistics and Informatics > University of Maryland School of Medicine Division of Gerontology and Geria

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2014-11-29 Thread listserve
Any mailing list which respects its recipients makes unsubscribing as easy as possible. If users are having trouble doing so, it's clearly not easy enough. I think putting a directly link in every message is certainly the right thing to do. On 11/29/2014 09:14 PM, Rolf Turner wrote: On 30/1

Re: [R] please please unsubscribe!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

2014-11-29 Thread Henrik Bengtsson
On Sat, Nov 29, 2014 at 7:32 PM, Jeff Newmiller wrote: > To be fair, Rolf, they have already found difficulty and are trying to find > their way out of this torrent, and impeding their way is not in anyone's > interest. > > John: I agree that adding the word "unsubscribe" to the footer would pro

Re: [R] please please unsubscribe!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

2014-11-29 Thread Jeff Newmiller
To be fair, Rolf, they have already found difficulty and are trying to find their way out of this torrent, and impeding their way is not in anyone's interest. John: I agree that adding the word "unsubscribe" to the footer would probably help those lost enough to be mailing the list. The existin

Re: [R] please please unsubscribe!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

2014-11-29 Thread Fábio Magalhães
I think r-help list software supports unsubscribe headers. When this option is enabled an additional header containing an unsubscribe link is sent with every message do the list. This header is interpreted by some email clients like Hotmail and Gmail, and a small unsubscribe button is placed after

Re: [R] please please unsubscribe!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

2014-11-29 Thread Rolf Turner
On 30/11/14 14:16, John Sorkin wrote: I don't see a link that is labeled "unsubscribe". On Nov 29, 2014, at 7:35 PM, Jeff Newmiller wrote: In what way would that be unlike the link that is already there? On November 29, 2014 4:09:29 PM PST, John Sorkin wrote: Requests like this a

Re: [R] please please unsubscribe!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

2014-11-29 Thread John Sorkin
I don't see a link that is labeled "unsubscribe". John > John David Sorkin M.D., Ph.D. > Professor of Medicine > Chief, Biostatistics and Informatics > University of Maryland School of Medicine Division of Gerontology and Geriatric Medicine > Baltimore VA Medical Center > 10 North Greene Street >

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2014-11-29 Thread Jeff Newmiller
In what way would that be unlike the link that is already there? --- Jeff NewmillerThe . . Go Live... DCN:Basics: ##.#. ##.#. Live Go...

Re: [R] please please unsubscribe!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

2014-11-29 Thread John Sorkin
> Requests like this appear from time to time. Would it make sense to add a link to the bottom of the email messages generated by the mail program that is labeled and goes directly to the unsubscribe page? > John > On Nov 29, 2014, at 8:26 AM, M. A. Parreño wrote: > > i already sent this please

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2014-11-29 Thread Bert Gunter
Please please follow the mailing list link below and unsubscribe yourself there as directed, not here. -- Bert Bert Gunter Genentech Nonclinical Biostatistics (650) 467-7374 "Data is not information. Information is not knowledge. And knowledge is certainly not wisdom." Clifford Stoll On Sat,